I wondered the other day....what's the ruling on black arms/hands?
If a white guy paints his forearm black to stand in solidarity with black Americans by raising a "black power fist", is he helping or hurting?

@gorillaman -- all good points.

Except... except... except.... we do live in a sexist society. Are we the MOST sexist society? Absolutely not.

But in the CONTEXT of a sexist society, IF the words man and boy are NOT interchangeable, then we need an understanding why it is okay for women and girl to be completely interchangeable.

The number of syllables doesn't cut it for me. Not given the CONTEXT of the sexist nature of our society.

Which gets us back to the use of "boy" for a black man.

You are too young to know this, but it was absolutely the norm to call a black man "boy". It wasn't until the men said no more, do not denigrate me like that, got mad about it, invoked Black Power and Black is Beautiful that it became not okay to call a black man a boy.

Some women got mad back in the 70s and 80s, and it changed some. It is waaaay better than it used to be.

We agree. Context is everything. You seem to have missed my acknowledgement that I personally use the word boy and girl for adults in some circumstances. However, as much as you are asking me to see your context, which I have acknowledged in general, I don't see much movement on your part to allow that maybe, just maybe, I have a valid point of view. Black and white thinking isn't the path to new understanding on anyone's part.

There is no absolute right and wrong. I am not wrong. Neither are you absolutely right, although yes, there is a generational thing. There was no grrrl power in the 70s and 80s. That word has been reclaimed to a certain extent.

You mentioned popular music and how prevalent the word "girl" is. So are the words bitches, hos, and a whole slew of words you would never use to describe your girlfriend or your mother.

I guess we have come to an end to this experiment. Although I do encourage you to keep this experiment on the back burner of your mind. And continue to ask yourself -- why is okay to call an adult woman a girl with great regularity but we don't do that to adult men.

I guarantee you it isn't the presence of an extra syllable. Sometimes that is true. But for the pervasiveness of it, that just rationally, scientifically and socially doesn't cover the situation.

Thanks for playing! It has been way fun!

As much as people bemoan Reverend Wright, I never really got the controversy.

Can you please give me a direct quote where the pastor denigrates white people? Or says that black people are superior? While he talks about about race, complains about racial issues, and blasts the government, what racist thing did he say? 'Cause I can pull out reams of quotes from those Ron Paul newletters that denigrate blacks and push white supremacy.

You do know that that church recorded years of its Sunday services? That's how journalists could find a few choice quotes in years of sermons. But even with all that material to sift through, they found alot of nothing.

Where's the video where Reverend Wright stands in front of a black power flag and spouts off revisionist history to a the black version of neo-confederates?

I think its a shame that Obama had to ditch that church because some of his white supporters don't realize that black americans still complain loudly about racism in America.>> ^quantumushroom:

@NetRunner and others, I question your collective "concern" over this non-issue, which is comical considering Dr. Paul has no chance of wining the nomination (or does he)?
I don't know if you voted for Chicago Jesus, but if the facts that he spent 20 years in the Church of Hate Whitey under the tutelage of the deranged Jeremiah Wright, got married in said church and also gave it 20Gs doesn't bother you, then your problem with Dr. Paul isn't "racism", it's libertarianism.
As soon as his loyal Democrat mainstream media lackeys warned him, Obama abandoned the church he "loved" like a true politician. If that satisfied you enough to consider him electable, than a few ragged newsletters no one has seen isn't going to throw off Dr. Paul's base.
I don't know who among you voted for The One way back in 2008, but even if you did not, if you lost no sleep over Obama's questionable past (the parts the loyal MSM lackeys didn't or couldn't hide) then your arguments against Dr. Paul's past are moot.


>> ^NetRunner:
@Lawdeedaw I think there are several problems with that rant:

1. It assumes Ron Paul has changed
   
2. It assumes Ron Paul would be "neutral" on race
   
3. It assumes John Edwards cheating on his wife is worse than stoking racial animosity for personal gain
   
4. It expects us to forgive Ron Paul's sins, when Paul still denies having made them in the first place
   
5. It expects us to forgive Ron Paul's sins, when Paul hasn't really acted as though this sort of thing is something you need to apologize for and be contrite about
   
6. It expects us to have not forgiven John Edwards, even though he's publicly confessed, and been both contrite and repentant
   

And here is the film: http://videosift.com/video/The-Black-Power-Mixtape-1967-1975-2011

>> ^bareboards2:

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One vote proves groupthink? Seriously?

I can show you votes where a majority of any particular group votes one way. On that particular election, there are other explanations: 1) the mormons heavily canvassed black communities, while the opponents of the measure took it for granted blacks would vote for their issue. 2) the rampant anti-black racism present in many pockets of the gay community in California.

On your link, I could pick out the qualities on that list and apply them to any given ethnic group, if I were to use stereotyping and conjecture, as you have done.

Race is a social construct, with real consequences for the people put in a group by society. Blackness in America is defined by appearance and the "one drop rule". Blackness is also defined by a shared culture and history, especially due to the forced isolation of black americans over the years. Given that, for you to flippantly say that blackness doesn't even exist (and to imply that by extension anti-black messages and bigotry similarly don't exist) is absurd and kind of arrogant.

All that said, the black american community still has a rainbow of perspectives, political views, religious views, aesthetic tastes, etc, that belies the premise of this video.

Don't work too hard. Peace out.

>> ^GenjiKilpatrick:

Sorry @longde, not to be too rude but.. you clearly don't know what the hell you're talking about.
The way the majority of Californian blacks voted for Proposition 8 [Nov 2008] show clear signs of groupthink.
http://www.psysr.org/about/pubs_resources/groupthink%20overview.htm
[3 & 4 mainly].
I'm gonna assume you're a white dude viewing this video thru a lens of what appears to be white guilt.
Which is alright, but it definitely limits your understanding of my point I guess.
Tho as a half blackie with a vehement black power father, I'll have to assure you I know just how inculcated old black men can become on positions of race and morality. [Never torture your kids by taking them to NAACP meetings please]
Moreover, since RACE DOESN'T EXIST - only skin tones and culture - it's even dumber for you, white people, black people or any people to be upset about this group of black people for supporting "anti-black" rhetoric.
I'll discuss this further if your want to understand these people's reasoning better. Late for work right now tho.
Peace

Sorry @longde, not to be too rude but.. you clearly don't know what the hell you're talking about.

The way the majority of Californian blacks voted for Proposition 8 [Nov 2008] show clear signs of groupthink.

http://www.psysr.org/about/pubs_resources/groupthink%20overview.htm

[3 & 4 mainly].

I'm gonna assume you're a white dude viewing this video thru a lens of what appears to be white guilt.
Which is alright, but it definitely limits your understanding of my point I guess.

Tho as a half blackie with a vehement black power father, I'll have to assure you I know just how inculcated old black men can become on positions of race and morality. [Never torture your kids by taking them to NAACP meetings please]

Moreover, since RACE DOESN'T EXIST - only skin tones and culture - it's even dumber for you, white people, black people or any people to be upset about this group of black people for supporting "anti-black" rhetoric.

I'll discuss this further if your want to understand these people's reasoning better. Late for work right now tho.

Peace

Like all Big Government liberals, Barry O is against citizens owning firearms. For many that alone is a key indicator of whether we're dealing with a potential tyrant.

Obama believes in an all-powerful centrist government. There's nothing government can't fix, if only they have the money...

He uses accusations of "racism" whenever he loses an argument (tho not exclusively a Marxist principle). I safely predict Orwellian hate crimes and hate speech laws will strengthen under his rule, the closest to outright banning free speech we'll have.

He uses class warfare. A question for Obama supporters: let's say he gets his way and increases taxes on only "the wealthy". Do the middle and lower classes really think they won't suffer any adverse effects by having their employers' earnings slammed?

Obama is nearly a lifelong member of a "church" that promotes Black Liberation Theology. Few things lie closer to believers' hearts than their faith, whatever it may be. How is it Barry has to disavow his church? Could it be because it's backwards and against not only basic Xtian principles but American principles?


Wiki: Stanley Kurtz of the National Review criticizes black liberation theology, saying, "A scarcely concealed, Marxist-inspired indictment of American capitalism pervades contemporary 'black-liberation theology'...The black intellectual's goal, says Cone, is to "aid in the destruction of America as he knows it." Such destruction requires both black anger and white guilt. The black-power theologian's goal is to tell the story of American oppression so powerfully and precisely that white men will "tremble, curse, and go mad, because they will be drenched with the filth of their evil."


And there's this:

"Barack Obama was a founding member of the board of Public Allies in 1992, resigning before his wife became executive director of the Chicago chapter of Public Allies in 1993. Obama plans to use the nonprofit group, which he features on his campaign Web site, as the model for a national service corps. He calls his Orwellian program, "Universal Voluntary Public Service." . . .

The pitch Public Allies makes on its Web site doesn't seem all that radical. It promises to place young adults (18-30) in paid one-year "community leadership" positions with nonprofit or government agencies. They'll also be required to attend weekly training workshops and three retreats. . .

But its real mission is to radicalize American youth and use them to bring about "social change" through threats, pressure, tension and confrontation — the tactics used by the father of community organizing, Saul "The Red" Alinsky. . .

Public Allies promotes "diversity and inclusion," a program paper says. More than 70% of its recruits are "people of color." . . .

The Obamas discourage work in the private sector. "Don't go into corporate America," Michelle has exhorted youth. "Work for the community. Be social workers." Shun the "money culture," Barack added. "Individual salvation depends on collective salvation." . . .

It's a lot of talk about race, a lot of talk about sexism, a lot of talk about homophobia, talk about -isms and phobias."

One of those -isms is "heterosexism," which a Public Allies training seminar in Chicago describes as a negative byproduct of "capitalism, white supremacy, patriarchy and male-dominated privilege."

The government now funds about half of Public Allies' expenses through Clinton's AmeriCorps. Obama wants to fully fund it and expand it into a national program that some see costing $500 billion."


What I'm addressing here has nothing to do with why people support Obama. Facts and logic are out the window, Obamites are electrified by these vague messages of "hope" and "change" or still part of the "Anybody but Bush" mindset. Still more sifters are from countries that are already socialist, so there's no conflict of interest there. And lastly, there are the deluded peaceniks who FEEL that the USA is morally no greater than Red China, and that despots can be 'reasoned with' if only we bring them a bouquet of their favorite flowers.

The 'Obamic equation' is symptomatic of a larger malaise gripping America that will likely culminate in a second civil war, which so far has remained only a cultural war of values. His election or defeat will merely hasten or delay the inevitable.

Should Obama win, I happily vow to be here to remind you all every day, as things worsen with his repetition of past economic and policy blunders, that they didn't have to be this way.

^ They were probably hoping for him to say "Death to America" or "Praise Allah" or "Palin's a bitch" or "Black Power" or something gaffe-tastic.

NUMBER ONE BABY, C'moooooooon Seven!!!!!

[choggie has never had a number one vid(2 years)], and David Spates' contribution doin' it would simply make my world-I may finally be able to meet one of my anti-heroes....PAUL MOONEY!!!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Mooney_(comedian)

David Spates gotta see this shit, heyah!.....buncha crackers showin' out for the real.....Nubian Supremacy!! Black Power an' shit!!!!! Tig Bittles and BGB!! FTW!!!!!

I love everything about this clip . . .the leather vests . . .Black Power . . .teardrop artwork . . .whitey on the keyboard. SOUL FINGER!