>> ^BicycleRepairMan:

@SDGundamX said:Second, Randi can demonstrably show people how the charlatans are pulling off their tricks. In other words, he has factual evidence to prove they are charlatans. For most religions (I'm excluding Scientology since L. Ron Hubbard basically admitted to making it up to make money) it is impossible to provide such factual evidence (showing that they are false). The Crucifixion and (supposed) Resurrection, as just one example, simply doesn't lend itself to testing through the scientific method. Of course, we can look at other evidence (archaeological for instance) but like I said, for most religions there's no smoking gun either way (in support of or against).
Well thats a bit like saying the lottery has a 50/50 chance isn't it? Its like your forgetting that atheists also have "beliefs" about the resurrection: We believe that it didn't happened and that it was made up.
Take this video of James Randi explaining a little matchbox trick. Sure, some of us might say the trick has been exposed and thoroughly debunked. However, you could still believe there were magic crystals from the lost city of Atlantis involved somehow, and explain that there is "no factual evidence for or against". Of course, you might say: thats easy: i can do the matchbox trick right now, iaw replicate the trick, and thereby find a plausible, natural place of origin for the "magic".
Well I can do the same for the jesus myth: "2000 years ago Susej was nailed to a cross and three days later he rose from the dead." There, I just told a fictional story similar to the jesus one and thus proved it was possible to simply make it up.
Conversely, there is no evidence that a)any of that stuff actually happened OR b) that it even could happen. But again, there's plenty of evidence that shows that it could have been made up.


I don't necessarily disagree with you. It all goes back to credulity--each person decides for themselves how much evidence they require to believe something. I think for the vast majority of people the evidence against the matchbox trick is overwhelming. The same can't be said for the case against most religions--the people who feel the evidence is overwhelming (or put another way, that there isn't enough evidence to justify their belief) are atheists. The problems are deciding what constitutes "evidence" and the fact, as I mentioned above, that people believe in religions for a host of other reasons besides the evidence (personal experience being probably the foremost).

Back to the original point, calling people idiots neither adds anything constructive to the discussion nor is it really even true for most people (either religious or atheist).

@SDGundamX said:Second, Randi can demonstrably show people how the charlatans are pulling off their tricks. In other words, he has factual evidence to prove they are charlatans. For most religions (I'm excluding Scientology since L. Ron Hubbard basically admitted to making it up to make money) it is impossible to provide such factual evidence (showing that they are false). The Crucifixion and (supposed) Resurrection, as just one example, simply doesn't lend itself to testing through the scientific method. Of course, we can look at other evidence (archaeological for instance) but like I said, for most religions there's no smoking gun either way (in support of or against).

Well thats a bit like saying the lottery has a 50/50 chance isn't it? Its like your forgetting that atheists also have "beliefs" about the resurrection: We believe that it didn't happened and that it was made up.

Take this video of James Randi explaining a little matchbox trick. Sure, some of us might say the trick has been exposed and thoroughly debunked. However, you could still believe there were magic crystals from the lost city of Atlantis involved somehow, and explain that there is "no factual evidence for or against". Of course, you might say: thats easy: i can do the matchbox trick right now, iaw replicate the trick, and thereby find a plausible, natural place of origin for the "magic".

Well I can do the same for the jesus myth: "2000 years ago Susej was nailed to a cross and three days later he rose from the dead." There, I just told a fictional story similar to the jesus one and thus proved it was possible to simply make it up.

Conversely, there is no evidence that a)any of that stuff actually happened OR b) that it even could happen. But again, there's plenty of evidence that shows that it could have been made up.

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Great title! I think that was the purpose of the final Atlantis mission.

This video has been seconded as a duplicate; transferring votes to the original video and killing this dupe - dupeof seconded with isdupe by chicchorea.

*dupeof=http://videosift.com/video/Atlantis-Last-Launch

@Stingray, your services?

This video has been nominated as a duplicate of this video by bareboards2. If this nomination is seconded with *isdupe, the video will be killed and its votes transferred to the original.

Better to see and vote for http://videosift.com/video/Atlantis-Last-Launch... that one didn't come up when I did a search...

>> ^westy:

>> ^dystopianfuturetoday:
So, before humans, there were dinosaurs. Is it possible that there were periods of life before that - perhaps intelligent life - whose evidence has been erased by asteroids, weather and time?

That's deffinatly possible you would have thought there would be some evidence left maby its just in a place we have yet to look at , Atlantis , or underground .
but until there is evidence found then its like ghosts or yeties its just speculation and imagination.
Im not very knowlageable on the subject but due to the amount of earth thats populated by people and the different methods for testing things and all the looking around we have done ( geographical maps and servays ) if an inteligent or undustreal race of people existed before we probably would have found evidence for it by now , so that makes it less likely that there was another race unless they cleaned up very well.


Ever read, "Fingerprints of the Gods"? Fascinating book. It can easily be dismissed as quackery but he builds a solid enough case that it can pique a person's interest.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fingerprints_of_the_Gods

I would recommend it to anyone looking for something entertaining to read.

>> ^dystopianfuturetoday:

So, before humans, there were dinosaurs. Is it possible that there were periods of life before that - perhaps intelligent life - whose evidence has been erased by asteroids, weather and time?


That's deffinatly possible you would have thought there would be some evidence left maby its just in a place we have yet to look at , Atlantis , or underground .

but until there is evidence found then its like ghosts or yeties its just speculation and imagination.

Im not very knowlageable on the subject but due to the amount of earth thats populated by people and the different methods for testing things and all the looking around we have done ( geographical maps and servays ) if an inteligent or undustreal race of people existed before we probably would have found evidence for it by now , so that makes it less likely that there was another race unless they cleaned up very well.

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I notice in particular the "serious" tag.
Either Tragic - or Trolling.

http://www.spiralmoon.com/moreAbtUs.aspx
this company is linked to this Youtube post as well

I really hope she is trolling - this is worse than bottled water - jar of air. Only interested if I can get the air from...An Airhead.

EDIT:
http://www.businessinsider.com/this-20-something-girl-asked-silicon-valley-investors-for-500000-to-bottle-up-air-and-sell-it-2011-3
oh shit, might be real.
http://www.businessinsider.com/9-ridiculous-ideas-that-made-people-ridiculously-rich-2011-3#pet-rock-1
Then again, Spiralmoon is a marketing company so it could be a phony attempt at going viral

Gunrock, what you still fail to understand or acknowledge is..

HER JOB is to be EXCLUSIVE WANK MATERIAL in order TO ATTRACT MORE EYES to the gossip in the SUN tabloid.

She's not offering her general knowledge of a particular subject.
She's not offering technical skills in a particular discipline.
She's offering her tits and hips for display in exchange for money.

She's paid to objectify herself. Meanwhile, most of us are taught that objectifying other humans is immoral.

So it doesn't matter if she's a rocket scientist that dicovered a cure for cancer, aids, alcohol & nicotine addiction, world hungry, global warming AND the lost city of Atlantis..

..if her job & what everyone knows her for.. is givin' handies behind the local bowling alley.


[Edit: I'm not equating prostitution with modeling. But it's objectification all the same.]


>> ^MarineGunrock:

"... just recently finished college where she achieved four A levels and an AS in psychology, theater studies, media studies, critical thinking, and general studies. "
Obviously she's not stupid and has more to offer than just her goodies. Maybe she actually enjoys what she does?

>> ^westy:

Horable editing cannot watch


What did you expect from NASA with limited budget?

huh i posted this too. looks like I will discard mine
http://videosift.com/video/BP-s-Newest-Ticking-Time-Bomb-Atlantis

Laugh at your own risk. If only the people of Atlantis had enjoyed such prescient counsel.