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In reply to this comment by eric3579:
*promote

You left out all the important parts that follow what "fulfilthe law" mean. Like "“You have heard that it was said to the people long ago, ‘You shall not murder,[a] and anyone who murders will be subject to judgment.’ 22 But I tell you that anyone who is angry with a brother or sister[b][c] will be subject to judgment. "

Or "“You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor[i] and hate your enemy.’ 44 But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, 45 that you may be children of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. 46 If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Are not even the tax collectors doing that? 47 And if you greet only your own people, what are you doing more than others? Do not even pagans do that? 48 Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect."

Or ““Do not judge, or you too will be judged. 2 For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you."

The semen sermon on the mount is one of the more progressive parts of Jesus' ministry. It is slightly irresponsibly to hone in on the one sentence that seems to support a position of regression when it was meant as a progression move with the rest of the sermon. Let us make up an example. Let us say MLK Jr. said something like this "I don't want to change what white people do, I came for a higher purpose, to change what they feel". That would be akin to what the verse I believe you have hijacked says

I am no longer a practicing Christian, btw, but I thought this was worth brining up, as I still have a great respect for people of faith, as Mr. Savage also seems to...for which I am glad.


*Fixed awesome typo

>> ^FlowersInHisHair:

>> ^brycewi19:
>> ^FlowersInHisHair:
Thing is, though, that conservative anti-gay Christianity (like that spouted Tony Perkins, Mark Driscoll, et al) is usually more supported by scripture than moderate Christianity. This confuses the issue no end.

If you're looking at Old Testament, then perhaps yes. But not according to the New Testament, where Jesus' message is meant to "trump" the law. See the Sermon on the Mount as to what is expected of those who wish to follow him (i.e. how Christians should act toward one another).

You mean this Sermon on the Mount, described in Matthew 5?

Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. For verily I say unto you, till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven [...]
(Matthew 5:17-19)

>> ^FlowersInHisHair:

Thing is, though, that conservative anti-gay Christianity (like that spouted Tony Perkins, Mark Driscoll, et al) is usually more supported by scripture than moderate Christianity. This confuses the issue no end.


It's only confusing for Christians who read the bible, and then try to take a stance based on it. Those who pick a stance, and then search the bible for support of that stance aren't confused in the slightest.

Sadly, I know nobody in the first group.

>> ^brycewi19:

>> ^FlowersInHisHair:
Thing is, though, that conservative anti-gay Christianity (like that spouted Tony Perkins, Mark Driscoll, et al) is usually more supported by scripture than moderate Christianity. This confuses the issue no end.

If you're looking at Old Testament, then perhaps yes. But not according to the New Testament, where Jesus' message is meant to "trump" the law. See the Sermon on the Mount as to what is expected of those who wish to follow him (i.e. how Christians should act toward one another).

You mean this Sermon on the Mount, described in Matthew 5?

Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. For verily I say unto you, till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven [...]

(Matthew 5:17-19)

>> ^FlowersInHisHair:

Thing is, though, that conservative anti-gay Christianity (like that spouted Tony Perkins, Mark Driscoll, et al) is usually more supported by scripture than moderate Christianity. This confuses the issue no end.


If you're looking at Old Testament, then perhaps yes. But not according to the New Testament, where Jesus' message is meant to "trump" the law. See the Sermon on the Mount as to what is expected of those who wish to follow him (i.e. how Christians should act toward one another).

Thing is, though, that conservative anti-gay Christianity (like that spouted Tony Perkins, Mark Driscoll, et al) is usually more supported by scripture than moderate Christianity. This confuses the issue no end.

Thanks for letting me know. Should be fixed now

In reply to this comment by moodonia:
Hi there,

Alas the following video has popped its clogs, its an ex video, its dead:
http://www.videosift.com/video/Dan-Savage-Owns-Right-Wing-Bigot-Tony-Perkins-On-Prop-8

Hi there,

Alas the following video has popped its clogs, its an ex video, its dead:
http://www.videosift.com/video/Dan-Savage-Owns-Right-Wing-Bigot-Tony-Perkins-On-Prop-8

>> ^imstellar28:
assertion: theres not a single person posting here who believes in human rights, so maybe relax with your hypocrisy?
proof: not a single person posting here can answer "yes" to these five questions:
1. should gay marriage and polygamy be legal?
2. should minimum wage be illegal?
3. should all firearms, chemical, and nuclear weapons be legal?
4. should drunk driving be legal?
5. should taxation be illegal?


I hope i dont have to point out the utter stupidity in that comment (with the exception of number 1)

I think you have a grave misunderstanding of what the definition of human rights is.

>> ^Aemaeth:
Ironic to make threats against others while claiming to be oppressed.


I think you missed the part where he talked about people firebombing gay bars and hate crimes against homosexuals that lead to death. I would take graffiti over that kind of protest any day.

>> ^quantumushroom:
Religion is fail? Then what is liberal fascism, besides very real?

Liberal fascism is an oxymoron. The definition of fascism includes mass movements of unified ideological nationalism, racism and militarism. Liberalism on the contrary includes the individualization of ideological trends - freedom of thought and speech - which begets the necessary acceptance of other nationalities and races (otherwise you're inconsistent, and that was what most of the Fathers of the Constitution were) and doesn't include a specific military ideology. In fact, the closest thing to mainstream fascism today in the western world is the current trend of American conservatism which is an amalgam of neoliberal economic theory, essentially laissez-faire capitalism, and religious fundamentalism. Religious fundamentalism includes many of the defining features of fascism, and so when religious fundamentalist take political power they tend to become fascists. Historically, fascist leaders indeed found their strongest supporters in organized religions. This was especially evident in Franquist Spain but was also true of Nazi Germany and Fascist Italy.

>> ^rasch187:
Ad campaigns are not in themself this important, the real target of this disagreement has to be people. And not the people who sponsored or publicly endorsed this message, but the people who let their personal opinion on human equality be influenced by televised commercials.


Bravo.

This is a superb and thought provoking observation that never ever occurred to me before I read your post.

In reply to this comment by rasch187:
Ad campaigns are not in themself this important, the real target of this disagreement has to be people. And not the people who sponsored or publicly endorsed this message, but the people who let their personal opinion on human equality be influenced by televised commercials.

>> ^Irishman:
All religion is fail.


How do we top that?

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