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Congress Under Armed Attack Live Stream

vil says...

Nice summary, Newt! My thoughts exactly.

The police seems to favour a bunch of (probably armed) hysterical Karens shouting incoherent nonsense over people who actually have reasons to protest and a clear reasonable agenda. Hockey mums shouting at the referee without understanding the rules.

The only slightly face-saving moment was the guy in Pelosis office writing a message and leaving her cell phone on the table instead of dropping his pants and defecating on it. It is possible that these people will yet come through to realize that no, once again, this is not the end of the world that their prophet is calling for.

Trump thinks this is a reality show and anything goes. Theatrical tactics to make it look like he was cheated out of a big win. Also always backs out of everything he says - not his fault this time either?

Security agencies from top to bottom made to look stupid and weak and slow to react. Look at how many police cars are there, how many policemen in fancy dress. It takes hours to control a few hundred Karens who could have been expected from the moment the president called for a march on the Capitol.

What shall you do with a president who calls for a march on the Capitol?

Edit: just found out there had been violent clashes on Tuesday already - what happened yesterday was either incredible incompetence bordering on mental retardation, or a purposeful extension of Trumps narrative. That the police favour Trump so they let the Trump mob storm the building is a nice scenario for some conspiracy theories of our own now :-)

bobknight33 (Member Profile)

newtboy says...

Republicans rioting in the streets now, shooting, stabbing, attacking police, vandalizing churches, lighting fires, armed and trying to forcefully take over capitol buildings and disrupt / attack congress, not peacefully protesting.
Funny how fast your side went from “blue lives matter” to “fuck the police”, don’t you think....and police aren’t even killing unarmed (or even armed) proud boys daily. Anti American snowflake crybaby losers. All the derision you heaped on BLM now applies to you and Trumpicans. Only the law and order party when it suits you, never when it doesn’t.
Enjoy this clip from yesterday, tame compared to today’s attacks on the capitol.

Edit: now, at Trump’s direction, armed Trumpsters have forced their way into the capitol building and procedures have been halted. For some reason, the capitol police never fired a shot in defense of congress. Bomb threats are prolific. Every person identified as part of this attack should get the firing squad as treasonous traitors and terrorists. Violently perpetrating an armed takeover of congress cannot be accurately described in any other way.


DESPERATE Restaurant Owner BLOCKADES Inspector's Car

newtboy says...

By that assessment, every drug dealer, thief, and Nigerian prince should have the same right to “protest” by physically trapping police in their place and blocking traffic without repercussions.
He could not legally be open, so he was being a criminal to get the money to pay these people and bills, just like a heroin dealer.
He was being stopped from breaking the law and causing a deadly public health hazard. His reaction, break more laws and fight police. My question is, why didn’t they throw him to the ground when he refused to comply and argued and then taze or shoot him when he resisted? Sadly, I only see one reason, he’s a white guy. I think if he were black 1. Bob would no longer see this as a hero standing up for his rights but a thug flaunting the law and “fighting” police and 2. The police would react quite differently.

BSR said:

Actually I saw a man protesting and arguing with police, not complying, because he was going to be stopped from paying his staff and his bills and his truck payment. Something he may be facing for the first time in his life.

I make no judgment about the rest of your analogy. I'm not very good cynic.

DESPERATE Restaurant Owner BLOCKADES Inspector's Car

BSR says...

Actually I saw a man protesting and arguing with police, not complying, because he was going to be stopped from paying his staff and his bills and his truck payment. Something he may be facing for the first time in his life.

I make no judgment about the rest of your analogy. I'm not very good cynic.

newtboy said:

I find it the height of irony that the same person who, when innocent unarmed people are killed says they should have complied with the law, here supports this guy breaking multiple laws and arguing with police, not complying, because he was going to be stopped from breaking the law.

Let's talk about Trump going to the hospital....

newtboy says...

Um....no, he isn't correct.
I'm sorry that you believe 2864974 fewer votes is a mandate by the people supporting your team. That is not what the word means. Clinton had the mandate from the people.

Because some deluded Trumpsters voted based on their belief that Trump would turn society back to the 50's based on exaggerated stories they hear about some liberal colleges doesn't make them right, that's not the job of a president, you need a dictatorial tyrant to force societal changes.

I've never even heard of most of your insane claims, like this racial "day of absence" bullshit, that's patently illegal in the U.S., so if it happened at all, it's not here.

Ok, widespread through academia, bullshit. My parents both worked for Stanford for decades, my sister is a teacher, none of what you claim happened there, most didn't happen in any schools in the U.S.. Some happened in Canada, most is bullshit right wing propaganda....like deplatforming, I'm guessing you're talking about some racist right wing agitators being denied a platform for their hate speech after massive protests at places like Berkeley, what you forget is they offered different venues and times for them when and where they could hold their events in safety and they refused, then lied and said they were just flatly denied a place to speak.

Wait, you're saying Trumptards are so delusional they claim Trump did nothing to solve these issues that enrage you and that you claim exist today, so people should vote for him again. So stupid.

You're suggesting voting to decimate America to save it from a few hundred delusional college students with no power. I hope you like the way the Chinese change things, they'll own America in a few years if we continue down this road.

Edit: People need to very seriously wake up and recognize how many of the quiet folks who openly detest Trump, are also going to silently still vote Republican because of their disgust and push back at the above ideals have been suckered, duped into believing this nonsense by liars who only want to increase their ignorance, listening to those without scruples but with agendas misrepresent the problems and never looking for themselves has created a national party incapable of thinking for themselves, incapable of the most basic investigation, incapable of even recognizing that they're being lied to constantly by their sources, even when those sources admit they lied about everything.

bcglorf said:

I think it's super important people recognize that Bob's point here is actually very correct.

A huge part of Trump's support IS reactionary against runaway liberal ideals.

The most blatant was on University campuses:
-Including race as a determining factor in your admission score as a 'liberal' ideal
-Enforcement of a race based "day of absence" where based on your race you were to be 'kicked off' campus for the day
-"deplatforming" people for having dissenting opinions
-The entire circle-jerk of intersectionalism:
---"whiteness" needs to be defined as something inherently negative
---"Racism" needs to redefined as not simply racial prejudice, but racial prejudice PLUS power(you know, so only white people can be racist under the new definition)
---"systemic racism" getting defined as anything with unequal outcomes, so if asian students do too well in math it must mean the system is favouring them and we need to step in

All of that filth was and still is almost universally wide spread through Academia as 'liberal' good ideas.

People need to very seriously wake up and recognize how many of the quiet folks who openly detest Trump, are also going to silently still vote Republican because of their disgust and push back at the above ideals.

Presidential Debate "Will you shut up man.."

newtboy says...

Make no mistake, he was forced into reading this prepared teleprompter statement by his own party after days of absolutely refusing to denounce them without equivocation. When he's speaking his mind, off the cuff, he outright supports them. They know it, we know it, white supremacists know it, he didn't mean it one whit, and didn't follow through with action either, but he did support legislation making it legal to run over peaceful protesters.
Don't forget how many "white power" videos, clips, tweets, etc that Trump has retweeted, supported, quoted, and cheered on. Too many to count, from too many white supremacist groups, more sites than I knew existed. Always on the side of the fascist racists every single time, Bobski.
All racist organizations are pro Trump, they know who supports them and who doesn't. They've never used a Biden quote as their slogans, and they've never shown Biden support.

Nice try, Bobby, but fail. It doesn't count if everyone in congress on both sides and >85% of Americans are talking about removing him if he can't denounce white supremacists.

He's completely incapable of saying it now, or of calling for peace during and after the election. "Stand by" is an order to be ready to commit violence, and nothing else. He could not denounce white supremacy as a mindset nor could he denounce the terroristic proud boys by name. Republicans no longer have the spine to denounce him, so he's now prepared for unfettered support of racism and racists as he proved in the debate and afterwards.

Decency

newtboy says...

Make no mistake, he was forced into reading this prepared teleprompter statement by his own party after days of absolutely refusing to denounce them without equivocation. When he's speaking his mind, off the cuff, he outright supports them. They know it, we know it, white supremacists know it, he didn't mean it one whit, and he didn't follow through with any actions against white supremacists, but he did support legislation making it legal to run over peaceful protesters.
Don't forget how many "white power" videos, clips, tweets, etc that Trump has retweeted, supported, quoted, and cheered on. Too many to count, from more white supremacist sites than I knew existed. Always on the side of the fascist racists every single time, Bobski.
All racist organizations are pro Trump, they know who supports them and who doesn't. They've never used a Biden quote as their slogans, and they've never shown Biden support.

Nice try, Bobby, but fail. It doesn't count if everyone in congress on both sides and >85% of Americans are talking about removing him if he can't denounce white supremacists.

He's completely incapable of saying it now, or of calling for peace during and after the election. "Stand by" is an order to be ready to commit violence, and nothing else. He could not denounce white supremacy as a mindset nor could he denounce the terroristic proud boys by name. Republicans no longer have the spine to denounce him, so he's now prepared for unfettered support of racism and racists as he proved in the debate....and afterwards.

Doc Rivers

Mordhaus says...

I would go hunting for the videos, but Biden has already stated that he fully plans to empower Beto to be his gun control 'czar'. Beto has already said that he absolutely is coming for "our" guns. He plans a forced turn in or buyback of all assault style weapons, presumably those also covered by laws that allow them under federal tax stamps (full auto).

In addition, Biden lists the following on his website as his plans:

1. Hold gun manufacturers accountable. In 2005, then-Senator Biden voted against the Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act, but gun manufacturers successfully lobbied Congress to secure its passage. This law protects these manufacturers from being held civilly liable for their products – a protection granted to no other industry. Biden will prioritize repealing this protection. (Only this is misleading. Do shoe manufacturers get sued if you kick someone in the face? Do knife manufacturers get sued if you stab someone? Do car manufacturers get sued when you get into an accident? No and neither do most other manufacturers. Putting this in place means that any time a gun is used in a crime, they can try to sue the manufacturer of that gun into non-existence. It doesn't even have to be an 'assault' weapon, any gun manufacturer is at risk. The only thing that wouldn't count is blackpowder guns since they aren't classed as firearms.)

2. Ban the manufacture and sale of assault weapons and high-capacity magazines. Federal law prevents hunters from hunting migratory game birds with more than three shells in their shotgun. That means our federal law does more to protect ducks than children. It’s wrong. Joe Biden will enact legislation to once again ban assault weapons. This time, the bans will be designed based on lessons learned from the 1994 bans. For example, the ban on assault weapons will be designed to prevent manufacturers from circumventing the law by making minor changes that don’t limit the weapon’s lethality. While working to pass this legislation, Biden will also use his executive authority to ban the importation of assault weapons. (So this would be a perma ban on assault weapons and would also anticipate changes to circumvent the law. This would be the assault ban of 1994 on steroids.)

3. Regulate possession of existing assault weapons under the National Firearms Act. Currently, the National Firearms Act requires individuals possessing machine-guns, silencers, and short-barreled rifles to undergo a background check and register those weapons with the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF). Due to these requirements, such weapons are rarely used in crimes. As president, Biden will pursue legislation to regulate possession of existing assault weapons under the National Firearms Act. (So even if he doesn't get Beto to push through a buy back, he can force owners of assault rifles to be subject to the EXTREMELY restrictive NFA. Not only that, but it's expensive and would be a tax on gun owners yearly.)

4. Buy back the assault weapons and high-capacity magazines already in our communities. Biden will also institute a program to buy back weapons of war currently on our streets. This will give individuals who now possess assault weapons or high-capacity magazines two options: sell the weapons to the government, or register them under the National Firearms Act. (Covered this already. But if this does go through, you likely won't be seeing me on here anymore as it will be a cold day in hell before I surrender my guns or pay the government to be allowed to own them.)

5. Reduce stockpiling of weapons. In order to reduce the stockpiling of firearms, Biden supports legislation restricting the number of firearms an individual may purchase per month to one. (Once you get this through, it is far easier to get legislation passed to cap how many guns a person can own total. Fuck that.)

6. Require background checks for all gun sales. Today, an estimated 1 in 5 firearms are sold or transferred without a background check. Biden will enact universal background check legislation, requiring a background check for all gun sales with very limited exceptions, such as gifts between close family members. This will close the so-called “gun show and online sales loophole” that the Obama-Biden Administration narrowed, but which cannot be fully closed by executive action alone. (I can deal with this, just means you need to go through an FFL.)

7. Reinstate the Obama-Biden policy to keep guns out of the hands of certain people unable to manage their affairs for mental reasons, which President Trump reversed. (Not 100% on this one, but it isn't a deal breaker)

8. Enact legislation prohibiting an individual “who has been convicted of a misdemeanor hate crime, or received an enhanced sentence for a misdemeanor because of hate or bias in its commission” from purchasing or possessing a firearm. (Felony yes, but that already exists. Misdemeanor, fuck no.)

9. Close the “Charleston loophole.” (yeah, no problem with this one)

10. End the online sale of firearms and ammunitions. Biden will enact legislation to prohibit all online sales of firearms, ammunition, kits, and gun parts. (So if I want to build another AR15 I can't? Fuck that. You still have to get the primary receiver through or shipped to an FFL. Which means a background check every single time.)

11. Create an effective program to ensure individuals who become prohibited from possessing firearms relinquish their weapons. (I would be for this if it wasn't for the fact that it is one step away from the government outlawing guns. Once this mechanism is in place at a federal level, all that means is you are one vote away from having your guns seized.)

12. Incentivize state “extreme risk” laws. Extreme risk laws, also called “red flag” laws, enable family members or law enforcement officials to temporarily remove an individual’s access to firearms when that individual is in crisis and poses a danger to themselves or others. (Sounds good, but nobody is willing to state the guidelines that the family or LEO will have to follow. That means that it is completely up to family members and LEO's to decide what constitutes a 'crisis'. Bet you a lot of LEO's in protest states would red flag most protesters immediately if this law existed now in all states.)

13. Give states incentives to set up gun licensing programs. (This is above and beyond the federal checks. This would mean any gun owner or potential owner would have to maintain and pay for a separate gun license. Also, it allows states and locales to decide what constitutes the requirements for the gun license. There are already some states doing this and you have to get permission to even own a gun from the sheriff or other official. Fuck that.)

14. Put America on the path to ensuring that 100% of firearms sold in America are smart guns. (Are you fucking kidding me? What if the battery runs out, what if it gets hacked, or what if the government decides to flip a switch and shut them all down? I'll never agree to this.)

15. Require gun owners to safely store their weapons. Biden will pass legislation requiring firearm owners to store weapons safely in their homes. (IE, locked in a safe or partially disassembled, possibly a combination of both. Why bother having a gun for home defense if it can't be used without spending 5-10 minutes to make it available/functional?)

16. Stop “ghost guns.” (This is just stupid. 3d printed guns might be able to fire a few shots before reaching a critical failure. You can't 3d print a lower or upper receiver that matches a stock one. Yes, they made lowers for the original m-16s, but they swapped from those because they were shit. They broke constantly. And those weren't printed, they were molded from a tougher plastic. A 3d printed one is not nearly as strong. Either way, I don't care too much about this because it is a buzzword for non-gun people. Just like bumpstocks. You can still bump-fire a regular ar-15, the bumpstocks were just training wheels for idiots.)

Now he has a shitload more laws he wants to pass, but most of them I don't care too much about. I won't bother covering all of them. In any case, he is going to go after guns on a scale unseen to this point. If the dems get control of both houses, he will get these laws passed. Then the only hope is that SCOTUS votes them down as unconstitutional.

I won't vote for Trump, but I will be doing my part to maintain a split congress. Which means straight republican ticket other than Trump.

newtboy said:

What anti gun legislation do you mean? All I know of is closing a few loopholes that allow people legally banned from gun ownership to obtain them anyway without background checks. I disagree that that is anti gun legislation, and across the board background checks are something a vast majority think is proper.

There's plenty of misinformation on this topic floating about. Is there other actual legislation in the works, or just rumors of other legislation the left will enact....and only according to the right?

Doc Rivers

newtboy says...

Nope, Republicans from the president down are spewing fear about any protests, claiming Portland is completely lawless and burning like Atlanta and the villains are coming to your town next to burn your home, and repeatedly used video from other states as their evidence of Portland's destruction, and doctored photos to indicate who the enemy is by adding antifa agents (not a real thing btw) to photos of arson and looting, intentionality ignoring the reality that there are only 2-3 blocks of unrest in Portland, not the entire city by any stretch, and not for decades as the president claimed on live tv.

Spewing fear and lies about national protests, yes they are. Sorry.

scheherazade said:

Good video.

I would criticize it the same way I would criticize fox news - it's myopic (in regards to the reference videos of protests).

Republicans aren't spewing fear about /those/ protests. They are worried about /these/ protests :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kZPeD2miyF8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7zthJUf31MA
(Btw, I dig this dude's style. He's trying to be funny, but he's got more authentic coverage than most mainstream stuff I've seen.)

-scheherazade

Doc Rivers

scheherazade says...

Good video.

I would criticize it the same way I would criticize fox news - it's myopic (in regards to the reference videos of protests).

Republicans aren't spewing fear about /those/ protests. They are worried about /these/ protests :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kZPeD2miyF8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7zthJUf31MA
(Btw, I dig this dude's style. He's trying to be funny, but he's got more authentic coverage than most mainstream stuff I've seen.)

-scheherazade

bobknight33 (Member Profile)

newtboy says...

And today it was revealed that by February 7, on tape, privately Trump was telling people, including Bob Woodward, that Coronavirus was terrifyingly deadly, incredibly more dangerous than the worst flu and airborne, while telling you publicly don't worry, it's barely a cold and not a bit deadly, gone in a few weeks.
He's also on tape discussing how it's NOT just old people dying, "it's young people, plenty of young people", that was mid March, but you still insist it's only elderly and safe for young people because that's the lie he told YOU.
Weeks later he told Woodward he always wanted to play it down, which led to his lack of response and 90% of American deaths and severe permanent disabilities.
Has he not lied to you enough yet for you to question his veracity?

Also, finally Moscow Mitch revealed his Covid recovery plan....no moratorium on evictions (so get ready for the homeless population to explode), no money for citizens, counties, or states (so be prepared for a drastic cut in local services, including police because REPUBLICANS are defunding them) but plenty for the coal industry.
WTF?! Somehow socialistic subsidizing of coal is going to help the economy recover and minimize the harm done to citizens? Not likely.

Also, more videos released today of right wing gangs, proud boys, violently chasing and beating a small group of peaceful BLM protesters, beating them with weapons to the ground, jumping on them and punching them in the head over and over and over and over and over and over and over, then pepper spraying entire canisters in the face of the near unconscious victims...on top of videos of the asshole prayer pussy who was shot in Portland with HIS armed gang shooting pepper balls from his truck at crowds and rushing at and bear macing the guy who shot him back in self defense. Sure is one hell of a lot of right wing violence at these left wing peaceful protests....the lions share.

Also, today Barr turned the DOJ into Trump's personal law firm by attempting to substitute the federal government for Trump in personal lawsuits against him, which means you get to pay off his mistresses and rape victims while he walks away muttering "sucker" at you under his breath. The government does not exist to take care of one man at the expense of everyone else, talk about wealth transfer, that's handing Trump hundreds of millions of tax dollars and a stack of get out of court judgements free cards. No complaints when tables turn.

And yes, I know you don't believe it, tapes or no tapes, video or no video, court filings or no court filings, but you have to admit it's getting harder to believe the lies with more undeniable proof coming out by the hour, and you have only one source left to believe, Trump himself, the rest are just repeating his lies so aren't sources.

Mark 38 Machine Gun Hits Small Boat Targets

newtboy says...

You think that's maybe because it's the 17 year old who murdered two people and injured one shooting into a crowd?

Could it be because protesters are fighting for racial equality and an end to police murdering unarmed citizens because they're afraid of black people, and the militias are fighting against that and for the preservation of monuments to racism and racial superiority?

You think it might be because Trump and his cult are condoning and encouraging his vigilante murders as a one boy posse, jury, and executioner, but authorities have universally condemned rioting and arson?

You think it might be because Trump believers have been itching for an excuse to shoot some liberals for years, they haven't been quiet about it either, and it's clear they see the crumbling law and order under Trump as their chance to spark a culture/race/civil war, and are targeting antiracism protesters openly now, repeatedly and nation wide?

What do you think is the reason?

scheherazade said:

Lot of worry about a 17 year old trying to fend off looters and arsonists. And seemingly no worry about the looters and arsonists. Strange times we live in.

-scheherazade

RNC 2020 & Kenosha: Last Week Tonight with John Oliver (HBO)

scheherazade says...

Perspectives on Rittenhouse seem to track perspectives on where one imagines one would be found in that situation.

Do you imagine being a looter or rioter?
Rittenhouse is bad.

Do you imagine being a resident of the street in question?
Rittenhouse is good.

The protest angle is moot, since Rittenhouse didn't go there to interact with protesters.

I personally wouldn't go attack property that doesn't belong to any of the people that ostensibly inspired the protest (the police officers responsible for the shooting). So I am more likely to imagine myself being a simple resident.

If it were the homes of the police officers being looted, then at least the looting would have some logical reason behind it.
I'm actually surprised, that after all these protests, and all the looting, and all the destruction, that nobody has bothered to actually target the people that are responsible. Brings into question sincerity.




Side note, I actually think that police were way in the wrong to shoot, or even bother, Jacob Blake. The man only stopped to break up a fight. Cops (responding to a call, ostensibly about that very fight) just showed up and went after him, without taking any time to assess what was going on. Absolutely reckless cowboy behavior with little regard for the state.

-scheherazade

RNC 2020 & Kenosha: Last Week Tonight with John Oliver (HBO)

newtboy says...

Sounds like, against the protests from the mayor and residents, Trump is going to Kenosha to stand with the killers of unarmed black men.
He in his infinite wisdom thinks that will calm things down and bring them together.

Democrats For Violence

newtboy says...

This shitshow is Trump's America, and a result of his lack of leadership. You and he seem to think he's only the president of Republican led areas.
Cities were run by the same party under Obama, did we have this slow burn civil war simmering then? No, we did not.
Q) What changed? A) Trump's in charge.

Cities are almost exclusively led by Democratic mayors. Cities have high crime rates because they have high population density. Per capita crime rates aren't that different from rural areas.

Republican led areas have much higher poverty rates and way fewer services. By your logic, republican leadership leads to high poverty and an MIA government except at tax time (actually, it does historically and by design).

Edit: Downvote for the blatant lies in the description. Democrats have not promoted violence they've constantly denounced it, and are blaming Trump for the dissolving union, the division, hatred, and violence he promotes including the murder of protesters and unarmed black men.

bobknight33 said:

American people are fed up of the Democrat party.

Funny Democrats say this Violence is Trumps America. Reality is that this is all in Democrat controlled area.

Democrats are a Total Fail.



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