First of all, I'm female.

I believe in equality between men and women just as much as you do. As I see it, equality isn't just about being able to do the same exact things. People are unique. Broadly, men and women, function differently emotionally as well as physically. It's something that I find absolutely fascinating and it always makes me sad when someone can't understand that while men and women can be equal, the complexities of that equality reach far deeper than a list of who what when where why. Both genders are unappreciated by each other. Even more sadly, people are unappreciated for things they do that are either subtle or against gender roles.

Our society might make women objects, but men aren't anything more. A man has to be strong, tall, rugged, handsome, has to support his family with acceptable work, can't be gay - and has to prove his heterosexuality, has to succeed in subjects such as math and science, be caring - despite all the emotional repression, etc etc. Why does this sound so old, so traditional and behind the times? Unfortunately, it isn't.

On the net it's easy to see men as nothing more than the comments they say. 'Oh, he's such a shallow bastard!' How is that, in any way, fair to a man? Women, having had their fight to equality, don't realize that they can stop fighting now. It's gone too far. A man can't bitch at a woman for commenting on the hotness of another man, it'd make him horrible and repressing. A woman can tell a man he's disgusting and shallow for looking at porn, and it makes her strong and independent. Feminism is about equality, not about women. Why should women get more rights than men just because they're supposedly suppressed? If someone is human, then they hurt. They feel pain. Imagine not being able to express your pain, having to be strong, being misunderstood and unloved for your anger that's there because you aren't allowed to express yourself. Can you imagine that? Have you ever had a really bad day where you tore everyone apart, people you cared about, because you were upset but didn't feel it was in your place? Did you know while it was happening, what it was that you were doing - hurting others, but not being able to get passed it? Imagine feeling like that every single time you get upset. Even worse, imagine not being able to express yourself when it comes to beauty. Men are fascinated by women, attracted to them in ways that are far more than sexual. Women are mysterious and beautiful to them. But they get punished for saying such, they're shallow for it.

What can you expect from a guy if he gets the anonymity he needs to be able to say whatever he wants? I bet it's a thrill for them to be able to joke about how hot a chick is, in public and not having to be careful around the women that they'd hurt with such a comment. What can you expect from a man that isn't allowed to cry, is pressured to make the money and keep the woman that doesn't bother to understand him satisfied? I've been around so many little boys that were just.. true gems of humanity, that were punished by their parents for liking things they shouldn't. 'No, don't go picking the flowers. Yes they're pretty, but that's what girls do. Your sister can pick them for mommy. You have to be a big boy now, go play with your trucks.' Little girls get the same treatment, but not to as harsh of a degree. A girl that can count in her head and run just as fast as the boys is rewarded for her behavior. A boy can't be interested in certain colors, but girls can like all of them. Women can have pretty much any job and be considered a strong, working woman. A man can't sew, or make certain types of music, work as a florist. He's seen as gay generally, or in some way less of a man, if he does. Is this right?

When it comes to porn.. I used to have a lot of trouble with my guy watching that. I saw it as him not wanting me, that I wasn't satisfying sexually. But as you said, women in porn are nothing but objects. That's what porn is for. There is nothing in mainstream porn that tries to make a viewer love the people within the video. It's about the raw, instinctual response to sex. There aren't supposed to be any emotions around it. It doesn't make the man want you any less, or see you as an object, unless there are other, REAL problems in the relationship. Porn makes us time between me and my guy more special, and there's nothing keeping me from sharing it with him. We can enjoy our sexuality

I find a lot of beauty in the female body. Added to the unique qualities of every single woman, emotionally and physically, and you've got billions of masterpieces all over the world. While some might be more famous, or more symmetrical and therefore aesthetically attractive, every single woman on the world supports and wields more power than she or anyone, really, will be aware of. When the power is realized it's used for negative things a lot of the time ( seducing to get what she wants, like money, for example ) but it can be used for good just as much. But while women have a lot of power, men have just as much in ways that they won't reach because of their required roles in society.

If you've ever had a problem with a guy over porn, then it's a misunderstanding. If you don't want to be open about a guy's feelings regarding porn, if you're that strongly against it, then it'd be best if you added that to the first date convo. 'I don't accept porn.' Eventually you'll get a guy that agrees with you - yes there are guys out there that don't enjoy porn. Stereotypes are nothing more than a generalization.. Men can be wonderful and women can be horrible and disgusting.

Men and women are equal. Equally surpressed. The best way to get around that is to just love yourself, appreciate you for who YOU are. Not for what you're supposed to be because you're a chick. If you can really and truly do that to yourself, then you should be able to see the true beauty in others, and leave these stereotypes behind. Guys are just as repressed.. And worse yet they're not allowed to talk about it.

I hope something I've said has reached you.. I'm sorry that you have to feel all this anger and that these posts are probably just upsetting you more. Like Obsidianfire said, monkey sphere.

It is correct to be a snob. I am proud to be a snob.

Music has fundamentals just like physics or chemistry. Music is the study of the WAY MUSIC WORKS.

music is about feelings, yes, but the way the musician creates those feelings is called "using music theory" just like the way a physicist creates a nuke by "using physics".

Musicians are more qualified to appreciate music, just as a potato farmer is more qualified to grow potatoes. Both processes have spiritual sides, but you can't just plant potatoes in hydrochloric acid and say "i PREFER hydrochloric acid to soil".

however, i agree that it is not ALL technical, just as potato farming and physics are not ALL technical.

The best music can indeed be created by someone with no formal training, but it's LESS LIKELY. Also formal training can knock all the artistic "gut feeling" out of you if you have a bad teacher. But that doesn't prove that music is all a matter of taste.

Simply, there is good music and bad, and musicians have studied this and know this. If you are not a musician, I know it's hard to comprehend, just as the existence of black holes is hard for most people to comprehend.

If you are a musician then you know that the "good" feelings don't come at random according to your predefined (genetic?) tastes. Your tastes are interacting with the music in a rational way (if you turn your brain on).

If you just like to listen to whatever crap the commercial radio station plays, then you're not really listening, you're just putting up wallpaper.

DFT is dead right about this. Why is this objectionable, but the countless videos on the sift of people getting beaten (both real and fictional) people fighting a cop, violent shootouts, gruesome violence, swearing, swearing and more swearing -- these are all okay, but show a boob and suddenly it's "OH WON'T SOMEONE THINK OF THE CHILDREN! THIS ISN'T A SITE I WANT ANY PART OF! OBSCENITY! OBSCENITY!" It's bullshit, and it's hypocrisy. Either get rid of every video I just linked to (and, as I'm sure you are aware, I barely scratched the surface), or put this back.

As for this video being nothing but two people having sex -- No. No. No it isn't. I shouldn't even have to defend it for the reasons I just mentioned, but no no no. I think this is a really great teaser. I love the way the music works so well with the visuals (something Kubrick is a master at), how the song slowly builds as the camera zooms in. I love the way it keeps cutting to the names with that particular font. I think it's pretty great, and not AT ALL in bad taste. It is no less valid than any other trailer or teaser, of which there are many on the sift.

If this were a website for children I would completely agree with you, but I think it's pretty clear that it isn't, and for some stupid reason ANY amount of adult content is okay here UNLESS it involves even the vaguest hint of sexuality. Bullshit. Complete and utter bullshit.

And oxdottir, I'm not mad at you (I know I may be coming off that way) just at the whole situation in general.

Hi, you avalon music film is really really nice, very epic. I noticed that you have a comment on a poetry film, Itchydabbers, I have posted a music work by the same people, think it is really strong and might be up your street after seeing your avalon clip. Pleae check it out.. it's called The spirits I have called.. look forwards to seeing your next vid.

loved your classical music film clip... where did you find... very epic... I'm into classical music, have put up my first post, think it's kind of intresting.. called the spirits I have called, it's a new music work, kind of classical, would be intrested in your opinion

I've given one another shot, so maybe the increased exposure of the sifted vid will help it. Diversity is certainly a great side to the sift. Exposure to all kinds of things I'd otherwise not seen or known about.

In reply to this comment by kronosposeidon:
It's too bad that we can't see more videos like these on the sift for the sake of diversity. Thanks for the heads up.

In reply to this comment by Thylan:
Seeing as liked this I'm just letting you know there are a few others by this group in case you missed them. I've made a Mediæval Bæbes playlist, as I expect the other 3 will end up in the discard pile (one already has).


In reply to this comment by kronosposeidon:
I think I like this version better than the original, and I really like the original a lot. The imagery and the music worked perfectly together. Hauntingly beautiful. Big upvote.

It's too bad that we can't see more videos like these on the sift for the sake of diversity. Thanks for the heads up.

In reply to this comment by Thylan:
Seeing as liked this I'm just letting you know there are a few others by this group in case you missed them. I've made a Mediæval Bæbes playlist, as I expect the other 3 will end up in the discard pile (one already has).


In reply to this comment by kronosposeidon:
I think I like this version better than the original, and I really like the original a lot. The imagery and the music worked perfectly together. Hauntingly beautiful. Big upvote.

Seeing as liked this I'm just letting you know there are a few others by this group in case you missed them. I've made a Mediæval Bæbes playlist, as I expect the other 3 will end up in the discard pile (one already has).


In reply to this comment by kronosposeidon:
I think I like this version better than the original, and I really like the original a lot. The imagery and the music worked perfectly together. Hauntingly beautiful. Big upvote.

I think I like this version better than the original, and I really like the original a lot. The imagery and the music worked perfectly together. Hauntingly beautiful. Big upvote.

The music worked really well, too.

Poor fly.

I accidently had this video playing while watching this: http://www.videosift.com/story.php?id=15066
The music works pretty well with it, I think.

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Really, really good. The CGI and music work together beautifully.

The video and the music worked together really well. Great job ren. I found it mesmerizing.