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Comedian Paul F. Tompkins on Political Correctness

ChaosEngine says...

@gorillaman @MilkmanDan

Please explain to me exactly what horrible consequences Jimmy Carr suffered.

Ofcom upheld a complaint against him. That's it.

How was he "assailed with the force of the state"? They didn't even fine him.

There's a big fucking difference between saying "you can't say that" and saying "you're kind of a dick for saying that".

Freedom of speech, not freedom from consequences.

Comedian Paul F. Tompkins on Political Correctness

MilkmanDan says...

It kind of is. Incarceration, torture, and execution are not on the table, true (although in the UK it sounds like incarceration for making remarks deemed to be "offensive" due to racism, discrimination, etc. isn't ALL that far-fetched).

You can think that Carr's joke was lazy and unfunny -- that's fine. Personally I like it, and find it at least mildly clever in that he said it was trying to come up with the "shortest" joke possible. But anyway, some/many people in the UK agreed with you and made complaints to the station. The station/broadcaster came back with that statement you linked to, in my opinion mainly just to cover their own asses in the event of Government intervention (which I am led to believe by several news stories was / still is a real possibility).

The idea that there is any possibility of the Government intervention being required to punish Carr or the station -- purely because some people took offense to some nonsense that he said -- is what I find to be ridiculous.

ChaosEngine said:

Except that is not what happened.

Comedian Paul F. Tompkins on Political Correctness

ChaosEngine says...

Except that is not what happened.

The complaint was that Carr (and by extension the One Show) had breached broadcasting standards. Ofcom felt that he did and gave a lengthy explanation of why they felt that way.

You are entitled to disagree, but let's be clear here: he is not being incarcerated or tortured.

He made a tasteless (and not particularly funny) joke. People called him on it.

Let's compare that to Louis CKs bit on pedophiles. His joke was definitely uncomfortable, but it had an interesting point: before you condemn someone as a monster, maybe try to understand why they do such awful things.

Whereas Carr just said "hah! dwarfs are short, geddit?!". It's exactly as Tompkins described... it's lazy and unfunny.

MilkmanDan said:

...But calling up Momthe Government and saying "that comedian made an offensive joke, I demand that you fine (/incarcerate, /torture, /summarily execute) him!" is just insane.

Comedian Paul F. Tompkins on Political Correctness

MilkmanDan says...

I disagree.

This was in England, but (from HERE):
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“I tried to write the shortest joke possible,” he (Jimmy Carr) said. “So, I wrote a two-word joke which was: ‘Dwarf shortage’. It’s just so I could pack more jokes into the show.”

Carr added: “If you’re a dwarf and you’re offended by that, grow up.”

Ofcom has received two complaints about the incident, which aired on 4 November, and has decided it warrants a formal investigation to see if there has been a breach of the broadcasting code.
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That wasn't people telling Jimmy Carr that the joke "wasn't funny". They specifically were suggesting that he shouldn't / couldn't say it, and he might have to pay a fine or face other actual legal consequences for it.

Saying "that comedian's joke offended me, so I am never going to pay to see one of his shows ever again" is a perfectly acceptable decision.

Adding "and I will encourage my friends and acquaintances to do the same" is also basically OK, as long as you accept that they don't have to listen to you.

...But calling up Momthe Government and saying "that comedian made an offensive joke, I demand that you fine (/incarcerate, /torture, /summarily execute) him!" is just insane.

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nanrod says...

The kid should have pulled a Jimmy Carr on Bryan and said "No I mean other than the cemetery, did you like Albuquerque?"

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Jimmy Carr Destroys Hecklers and Bad Gifts

scheherazade says...

The first comeback was really weak. I have the feeling that he couldn't think of anything good.

The second one I've heard him do more times than I can count.

I couldn't help thinking 'O.o' when the audience laughed [as much as they did]. It felt like a sitcom where there was a laugh light, and people just laugh over the smallest bit.

Jimmy Carr is a funny guy, but this particular moment was not a highlight. Simply passable.

Granted, it's unlikely I would have done any better - but I'm not a comedian either. Whatevz.

-scheherazade

Jimmy Carr Destroys Hecklers and Bad Gifts

Payback says...

I often give iTunes gift cards. Smart people don't attach their credit cards to iTunes, so this is well received.

I do have a problem with the title, it's too long. "Jimmy Carr Destroys Hecklers" is like saying, "Jimmy Carr".

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