@acidSpine

“Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent.

He is able..He could program everyone to never do evil, but then they would be robots.

Is he able, but not willing?
Then he is malevolent

He is willing to perfect you so that you don't do evil anymore, but that's entirely your choice.

Is he both able and willing?
Then whence cometh evil?

From mans disobedience

I wasn't indoctrinated either. I am the only Christian in my family. I became a Christian at a late age after being an agnostic my entire life. I used to think Bill Hicks was wise too..but it turns out everything he said about God was just ignorant, perhaps even deliberately so. He just didn't understand the bible very well.

God damn there's some huge ejaculations, semens almost cumming out of you lot. Who would have thought a queer blowing off some christians could have caused such an orgy of banging at the keyboard. It's a metaphorical desert of paragraph sized dunes for anyone following this thread so I'll let Epicurus keep it brief.

“Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing?
Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing?
Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing?
Then why call him God?”

Epicurus – Greek philosopher, BC 341-270

LOL It's like the argument for an all loving, omnipotent god was destroyed before Jesus was even born.

Note: This isn't why I'm not religious. I don't believe because I wasn't indoctrinated as a small child. That and the booze and drugs are still working for me da dum Ching1

Now before you, dear reader, set of oncemore into the desert of hopelessly convoluted diatribes, fill your camelskin bladders at the endlessly refreshing oasis of Bill Hicks, I believe named that after the comedian though I can't be sure of the chronology.

"The whole image is that eternal suffering awaits anyone who questions God's infinite love. That's the message we're brought up with, isn't it? Believe or die! Thank you, forgiving Lord, for all those options."

Bill Hicks - 16 December 1961 – 26 February 1994

@westy are you really saying that George Carlin and Bill Hicks weren't comedians?

I'm trying to understand you, but it's difficult.

Yeah, okay, Bill Hicks isn't funny. Dumbasses!

Somebody pointed out something to me the other day. Actually it was on satellite radio, but what they said offended me at first, then I thought about it. What they said was that Bill Hicks really isn't that funny. When you think about it, he's not. The things he says are, no doubt, true, prophetic, philosophical, etc. but none of it is really "funny".

I think Stanhope is funnier than Bill Hicks. Stanhope doesn't put himself above crass humor, but he usually does it with purpose.>> ^shagen454:

I like this guy a lot. In my opinion, Bill Hicks was sort of what we now call a "hipster". They didn't use such foul language back then. Back then Bill Hicks was just an abrasive weirdo. I definitely don't like Stanhope as much as Hicks but he is sort of pandering to that style of comedy for this generation and I'm glad for that. I love any comedian that talks up drugs and calls this generation a bunch of pussies. I know you know that rottenseed cuz I just checked and you posted that specific clip, haha funny shit! And then the full video is on the sift but my favorite part of it is this segment that rottenseed posted:
http://videosift.com/video/Doug-Stanhope-on-how-this-generation-sucks
>> ^rottenseed:
did he just pull the comedian-hipster card?

I would not classify him bill hicks or gorge Carlin as a comedian , sometimes they do say stuff for comedic effect , maby 3% of the time ( unless its a specific routine ) but most the time what they do is just say the truth and I don't just mean in an ironic comedic way , or in a clever with language , or clever poetic way. they littoraly just say how things are.

I wouldn't Evan classify it as DRY comedy or humor because its not really evan that.

I don't think its a bad thing though you would hope that there were more people that existed and picked out the bullshit and clearly communicated it to others, I just think the label comedian dose not do them justice.

I like this guy a lot. In my opinion, Bill Hicks was sort of what we now call a "hipster". They didn't use such foul language back then. Back then Bill Hicks was just an abrasive weirdo. I definitely don't like Stanhope as much as Hicks but he is sort of pandering to that style of comedy for this generation and I'm glad for that. I love any comedian that talks up drugs and calls this generation a bunch of pussies. I know you know that rottenseed cuz I just checked and you posted that specific clip, haha funny shit! And then the full video is on the sift but my favorite part of it is this segment that rottenseed posted:

http://videosift.com/video/Doug-Stanhope-on-how-this-generation-sucks>> ^rottenseed:

did he just pull the comedian-hipster card?

I had a dream about this movie once...

Oceanic Flight 815, en route to Earth 2, crash lands on a desert planet infested with giant sand worms and zombies. In an attempt to get home, the survivors encounter Jeffrey Sinclair on board a space station caught in a time rift, who reveals that he has been chasing Q who is commanding an army of half-Scarran, half-Sylons with Goa'uld symbiotes to conquer a magical island in Neverland. And the only one who can save the universe is Jim Raynor, captain of a stolen Firefly, and his life partner, a half Wookie, half Time Lord who has sworn a life debt to the captain. They have a depressed robot sex slave who isn't attracted to them and each of them owns a power ring, bestowed to them by the Guardians of the Universe (who are all dwarves, except for one of them who is Tom Waits).

You don't even want to know who the crew of the Firefly is. It will blow your fucking mind. Ok, I'll tell you: Napoleon, Socrates, Sigmund Fruuud, Billy the Kid, Genghis Kahn, and Ludwig Van; then for some reason Whoopie Goldberg is there with William Shatner, Patrick Stewart, and Malcolm McDowell, who can't stop pining over Beethoven. At the end of the movie, the crew is clean cut, the robots are all shiny, and the ghosts of Bill Hicks, Rufus, Obi-wan, Pizza the Hut, Dr. Frankenfurter, and Alf are all sitting around waiting for you to wake up -- but, when you wake up -- you're Homer Simpson! OMG don't tell ANYONE about the twist ending or the sequel where he meets Hank Hill who gets abducted by aliens and meets spooky Fox Mulder and that sexy redhead Leeloo.

My mind is exploding! There may be another me who isn't as awesome as the real me and enjoyed the movie The Notebook... Pshhhhhh -- Frell the frack off. Every alternate reality of me smokes pot and makes or plays video games. Stop trying to change me, universe!

And so at @dag's 17m excerpt of a 47m video, I would look at both and use the criteria above

Can I replace one with the other without losing anything?
Is the essence the same?

It's sort of a borderline one, since they both demand a bit time investment, but it depends on the videos.

Another example: http://videosift.com/search?q=bill+hicks

There are lots of full shows posted. Would a single joke posted for itself be considered a dupe? All the content is already on the sift, but the "essence" is different , I'd say - and you certainly couldn't replace a full show with the embed of a 1 minute joke.

Bill Hicks summed it up pretty well whe he said fundamentalism means no sense of irony and this is such a great example.

>> ^undefined:

Dunno, didn't really like this.. it's a bit ... mm.. easy listening?


Well a 5 minute spot in a a show hosted by Jason Manford who isn't exactly Bill Hicks is not conducive to dark, edgy comedy.
Still he's funny and pretty accomplished for a youngster.

CONSPIRACY! Did you know fast food corporations make their food intentionally delicious so you'll keep coming back?

Someone post some Bill Hicks.

I love jokes that take me off guard, where I can't anticipate the punch line. Jimmy Carr is great at make jokes that stop 3 steps earlier than you expect. He made the even shorter joke than the pretentious one:
"dwarf shortage"

but in jokes like those, the delivery is crucial. There's nothing worse than having a crappy story teller deliver a joke.

Mitch Hedberg was a king of the kind of short-fire, fast shooting stand up which is just excellent. He was also a master at delivering his jokes.

Bill Hicks is sorta the opposite with long-winded stories. George Carlin and Eddie Murphy is the same way. Most are like this.

Delivery in itself can make just about any story hilarious. I can point to people like Kevin Smith or Ron White for those kind of storytellers.

"hey man, if the engine falls off, how far do you think the plane will make it, man, how far do you think??"
"all the way to the scene of the crash.. which is where we're headed. I bet we'll beat the paramedics there by about half an hour." Heh.

Priceless. Too many videos these days remind me of Bill Hicks. It's starting to disturb me.

>> ^spoco2:

So.. yeah... That's why I don't like the iPad. For what it's MARKETED as, it's shit.
For all the other things you could use it for over and above that... it's nice tech



Ahhh, so the truth comes out then. It's what it has been marketed for that bugs you and a lot of other people.

My only question about that is, Why Do You Give One Shit?

I mean, marketing is the very last thing I ever pay attention to in anything that I purchase. Hell, the entire hacker manifesto is based on using things the way you want, to achieve something other than its intended purpose. Marketing is the darkest form of evil, in my book. (Cue Bill Hicks rant about marketers). But then again, I don't have cable television, so I never see any advertisements anyway, and even when they're online, I just don't watch them.


I'll quickly debate your points:

1- Emailing/Typing - Yes, it's a bit awkward at first, but then again I learned the weird graffiti language for PalmOS back in the day, and we all learned T9. Putting this thing on my lap at an airport isn't the best experience ever, but it beats the hell out of using my phone, or having to lug a laptop around everywhere.

2- Movies - Again, it's not as awesome as my 52" 1080p at home. But it's not supposed to be. It's a smaller screen, and maybe not your ideal aspect ratio, but again, in bed or on the train it's a hell of a lot better than a laptop.

3- Photos - Yep. It's awesome, and I'm an avid photographer. Thing looks stunning.

4- Books - Again with the traveling thing. Being able to carry 100 books on a plane is fantastic. Doesn't beat an actual printed book, but it's a fanastic in-between.

5- Web - You and I can argue about Flash all day (I used to use Flash to build websites too, even worked on one of the very first Flash cartoons ever, through Macromedia/Spumco) Sometimes it's a bummer you can't watch a video, but I just change my browsing habits. I don't really miss Flash at all. Again, this is while traveling, or sitting in my garden, where I just read some blogs and visit videosift, respond to some emails, etc.

But, these are all complaints you have with the way Jobs likes to run his marketing. Me, I just don't pay any attention, and figure out how these bloody things can be integrated into my life. Again, I don't care one shit if the thing has an Apple logo, a Dell logo, or a freakin' McDonald's logo. Just give me the technology and I'll use it the way I want.


btw: This is all coming from a jailbroken T-Mobile iPhone PineApple user.