I think you'd make a great life coach.

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I'd like to explore this- as it's a topic I'm interested in. What evidence do you have that aliens are living among us - and what's their agenda?

>> ^dag:

I'd like to explore this- as it's a topic I'm interested in. What evidence do you have that aliens are living among us - and what's their agenda?


Haven't you been watching V?

Someone's wearing sunglasses.

Aliens? Pshaw. Is that code for choggie's great uncle's moonshine recipe? Because that's obviously what this is about.

Very good Mr. Kendell, but I'm afraid your warning comes too late. The invasion is already underway and there is nothing you or your pathetic human race can do about it.

NAw BF, not about moonshine, was hammered though.


I tried to quote ya dag, to respond (quote still only works intermittently)I have for the reality of an alien presence is the same as anyone has-First-hand accounts (my own included) of phenomena, and the testimony of air-traffic, ex-military and employees of defense contractors employed by the blacker segments of the MIC.

For all you StarTrex® fans out there Gene's vision of our entry into the galaxy's established traveler's club may not be far from wrong. They have monitored our progress for some time and hackles were raised when we began tweaking the atomic structure in the 40's-Since then they have a vested interest in our continued forward progress. Defective examples of the human species, who would that all stay hidden and controlled-hoarding resources and power for their little cabal, are kept in check.

All is connected vibrationally, dimensionally, and there are ways of interacting with the whole of our universe. We'll find out soon enough-

>> ^dystopianfuturetoday:

Very good Mr. Kendell, but I'm afraid your warning comes too late. The invasion is already underway and there is nothing you or your pathetic human race can do about it.


I, for one, welcome our snappily dressed, cigarette-smoking, left-leaning feline overlords.

I think he's talking about Mexicans.

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I do think that life is abundant in the universe. Sentient life is probably very rare. The problem is that I don't think most advanced Type III civilizations would consider us sentient.

Why would we try to communicate with an ant-hill? We do like to study ants though, and it's likely that advanced life has observed / or is observing us. I just don't think there's much of a chance of meeting communicating or otherwise interacting with this life.

It's not saucers, green men or lizards in people suits. Instead imagine the Earth sprinkled with a million particles of movable smart dust that give complete visual, and physical feedback of the immediate surroundings - recorded down to the molecule and played back for distants viewers.

>> ^dag:

I do think that life is abundant in the universe. Sentient life is probably very rare. The problem is that I don't think most advanced Type III civilizations would consider us sentient.
Why would we try to communicate with an ant-hill? We do like to study ants though, and it's likely that advanced life has observed / or is observing us. I just don't think there's much of a chance of meeting communicating or otherwise interacting with this life.
It's not saucers, green men or lizards in people suits. Instead imagine the Earth sprinkled with a million particles of movable smart dust that give complete visual, and physical feedback of the immediate surroundings - recorded down to the molecule and played back for distants viewers.


Like the nano's in Stephenson's The Diamond Age?

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Yep- those were the ones I was thinking of. And I'd like a gun mounted on my forehead. >> ^KnivesOut:

>> ^dag:
I do think that life is abundant in the universe. Sentient life is probably very rare. The problem is that I don't think most advanced Type III civilizations would consider us sentient.
Why would we try to communicate with an ant-hill? We do like to study ants though, and it's likely that advanced life has observed / or is observing us. I just don't think there's much of a chance of meeting communicating or otherwise interacting with this life.
It's not saucers, green men or lizards in people suits. Instead imagine the Earth sprinkled with a million particles of movable smart dust that give complete visual, and physical feedback of the immediate surroundings - recorded down to the molecule and played back for distants viewers.

Like the nano's in Stephenson's The Diamond Age?

ok..
i'll chime in.
this is usually a discussion i save for something more..i dont know..in the same room type of deal.
and try to avoid internet discussions (context gets lost and the discussion has..by design..a polemic frame to it).
as some of you know i am a minister yet a can assume (with mild amusement i must add) that my comments and some of my posts may have you wondering..minister of what exactly?
well..dont get yer panties in a bunch,i am not going to do any preaching here.
all i am going to do is point out something that i find most atheists struggle with.
spirit,divinity,soul,chai,doktow,connection to the godhead..
whatever you wish to use as an adjective to define your own divinity.
what has EVERY religion,all 4500 on the planet,have in common?
that we have a soul,a spirit,a direct link to the cosmic consciousness.
argue all day on doctrine and dogma,translation but that remains the constant.
atheists do not believe in the spirit.that is their choice and they may change their mind or they may never change it.
now..
if one is an atheist they rely on science and not religious doctrine to make choices,decisions and judgements.
not a bad way to be,science has given us much.
but dag pointed out the fundamental breakdown between an atheist and someone who is aware of their true self..or spirit if you like.
he does not understand how such advanced civilizations would even bother with a race so obviously low on the civilization scale.
to study us..sure..but WHY else?
and there my friends is the disconnect.
the WHY.
the atheist..by his own belief system is literally pure ego.now i do not mean that in a derogatory way,just pointing out a fact.the ego is mind..a creation of not who we actually ARE but who we THINK we are.
so you can still be a kick ass person and still be pure ego.takes discipline though and an agile mind but it has and can be done.
the person who has become aware of their true selves ignores the ego and listens to their true self.
i am not saying one is greater or better than the other just pointing out the differences and their basic mechanics.
so..establishing the inherent differences let me explain my point.
dag does not understand because to him..we would be only a mild curiosity,but to the spiritually aware person we realize that all life is connected..especially sentient life and we are sentient but not all of us are awake.
it is this connection that all life recognizes on one level or another...even atheists.
i am no greater nor more important than a blade of grass.to you this may seem silly and even dimwitted but i assure you it is not that way and it is the more freeing than you can imagine.
no fear..no hate..no shame nor guilt.
how is that possible?
because i am aware of who i truly am and who you are and i make my choices accordingly.
so if we look at these "aliens" as not simply studying as us ants but rather as seeing us as little brothers and sisters struggling to take our first steps.then maybe we can take it a step further and look into the construct of time...lay it out like a canvas and ask..why the fuck are we even here?
are we ants to be studied?a populace to be controlled so we can buy more useless crap? on a never -ending treadmill of debt,fear and uncertainty?
or maybe the universe is far more wonderous and un-imaginable than we can even attempt to comprehend today?
maybe the universe is not so big after all?we just dont know it yet...but we will.
and im betting science will tell us how it works too!

now i dont know if aliens are here to help us walk.i dont know if they have been studying us for future food harvesting.i dont even know if they exist.
but there is a lot of information...and more and more people coming forward to tell their stories.
so a sit and watch with fascination and wonder and ask..is what they are saying true?
i dont know.i have not seen an alien nor have i been abducted but i HAVE seen some of the most extrordinary events that defy all description and laws of nature.
so just because i have not seen nor touched it i cant rule out somebody elses experience and so i sit,like dag and others,skeptical.
but i also wont rule anything out because "There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio,
Than are dreamt of in your philosophy."WS

but if you add the spirit element and that we are all connected.
each and every lifeform in the universe is connected.
aliens coming to help us in our next stage of evolution may not make more sense but it sure does feel/seem/sound better.
reality is the illusion gentlemen.
it is thought and consciousness that is real.

Great book. The punk with the skull-gun was a great character, too bad he died 1 chapter in. I guess that was symbolic.>> ^dag:

Yep- those were the ones I was thinking of. And I'd like a gun mounted on my forehead. >> ^KnivesOut:
>> ^dag:
I do think that life is abundant in the universe. Sentient life is probably very rare. The problem is that I don't think most advanced Type III civilizations would consider us sentient.
Why would we try to communicate with an ant-hill? We do like to study ants though, and it's likely that advanced life has observed / or is observing us. I just don't think there's much of a chance of meeting communicating or otherwise interacting with this life.
It's not saucers, green men or lizards in people suits. Instead imagine the Earth sprinkled with a million particles of movable smart dust that give complete visual, and physical feedback of the immediate surroundings - recorded down to the molecule and played back for distants viewers.

Like the nano's in Stephenson's The Diamond Age?

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Good reading Enoch - I may not agree with a good portion of what you are writing about- but I think I can see where you're coming from.

I do believe that all life is connected in that we share a common experience of being alive. Beyond that I'm less than certain. I have qualms about the notion of a "spirit". It's a nebulous concept that leads to terms like "energy transfer", "harmonics" and just about anything else found in a Deepak Chopra book.

Being alive is enough for me - I don't feel the need for divinity in my life- and I hope someday the rest of the human race feels the same. >> ^enoch:

ok..
i'll chime in.
this is usually a discussion i save for something more..i dont know..in the same room type of deal.
and try to avoid internet discussions (context gets lost and the discussion has..by design..a polemic frame to it).
as some of you know i am a minister yet a can assume (with mild amusement i must add) that my comments and some of my posts may have you wondering..minister of what exactly?
well..dont get yer panties in a bunch,i am not going to do any preaching here.
all i am going to do is point out something that i find most atheists struggle with.
spirit,divinity,soul,chai,doktow,connection to the godhead..
whatever you wish to use as an adjective to define your own divinity.
what has EVERY religion,all 4500 on the planet,have in common?
that we have a soul,a spirit,a direct link to the cosmic consciousness.
argue all day on doctrine and dogma,translation but that remains the constant.
atheists do not believe in the spirit.that is their choice and they may change their mind or they may never change it.
now..
if one is an atheist they rely on science and not religious doctrine to make choices,decisions and judgements.
not a bad way to be,science has given us much.
but dag pointed out the fundamental breakdown between an atheist and someone who is aware of their true self..or spirit if you like.
he does not understand how such advanced civilizations would even bother with a race so obviously low on the civilization scale.
to study us..sure..but WHY else?
and there my friends is the disconnect.
the WHY.
the atheist..by his own belief system is literally pure ego.now i do not mean that in a derogatory way,just pointing out a fact.the ego is mind..a creation of not who we actually ARE but who we THINK we are.
so you can still be a kick ass person and still be pure ego.takes discipline though and an agile mind but it has and can be done.
the person who has become aware of their true selves ignores the ego and listens to their true self.
i am not saying one is greater or better than the other just pointing out the differences and their basic mechanics.
so..establishing the inherent differences let me explain my point.
dag does not understand because to him..we would be only a mild curiosity,but to the spiritually aware person we realize that all life is connected..especially sentient life and we are sentient but not all of us are awake.
it is this connection that all life recognizes on one level or another...even atheists.
i am no greater nor more important than a blade of grass.to you this may seem silly and even dimwitted but i assure you it is not that way and it is the more freeing than you can imagine.
no fear..no hate..no shame nor guilt.
how is that possible?
because i am aware of who i truly am and who you are and i make my choices accordingly.
so if we look at these "aliens" as not simply studying as us ants but rather as seeing us as little brothers and sisters struggling to take our first steps.then maybe we can take it a step further and look into the construct of time...lay it out like a canvas and ask..why the fuck are we even here?
are we ants to be studied?a populace to be controlled so we can buy more useless crap? on a never -ending treadmill of debt,fear and uncertainty?
or maybe the universe is far more wonderous and un-imaginable than we can even attempt to comprehend today?
maybe the universe is not so big after all?we just dont know it yet...but we will.
and im betting science will tell us how it works too!
now i dont know if aliens are here to help us walk.i dont know if they have been studying us for future food harvesting.i dont even know if they exist.
but there is a lot of information...and more and more people coming forward to tell their stories.
so a sit and watch with fascination and wonder and ask..is what they are saying true?
i dont know.i have not seen an alien nor have i been abducted but i HAVE seen some of the most extrordinary events that defy all description and laws of nature.
so just because i have not seen nor touched it i cant rule out somebody elses experience and so i sit,like dag and others,skeptical.
but i also wont rule anything out because "There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio,
Than are dreamt of in your philosophy."WS
but if you add the spirit element and that we are all connected.
each and every lifeform in the universe is connected.
aliens coming to help us in our next stage of evolution may not make more sense but it sure does feel/seem/sound better.
reality is the illusion gentlemen.
it is thought and consciousness that is real.

I believe that somewhere in the Universe sits the descendant of Luke Skywalker, and he's a Christian who stands on the corner and preaches the gospel to passing Wookies, who roll their eyes at his proselytizing. They know he comes from a rich line of Jedi masters, and they're apoplectic that he eschews his ancestors' faith for that of some race of miscreants in a galaxy far, far away.

Thy connection with the universe, all beings, all matter, all non-matter is a fact. Everything is part of one thing-The whole-As all addicted to science should become more fully aware of as the next 20-50 years begin to re-write the history of a symbol-addicted world of infants. GOD, as most twits still fumble about with the concept, is a symbol for this mystery that only now, quantum physics is beginning to unravel. Two things to log into the data base forfuture reference are
A. The technology to construct much of what we have not seen as civilians (the applications being highly classified), is a mixed bag that may or may not be of our own design.
B. The dark aspects of our government would like nothing more than for people to be as predictableas insects,and pooh-pooh the facts before them, as bullshit.

According to some on the inside (and like enoch says correctly,many many people from the intelligence community, high ranking military officials,civilians employed with security clearances in the N2K/above top realm, and others of note and with a background that can't be denied), the sightings many have seen have been terrestrial applications whose technology came from off-planet.

We have free-energy, it has been witheld from humanity. Period. The political and corporate structure of the prison the pouppeteers have create3d for humanity is apalling. Sickens me to the core that still, with the data available to so many, that so-called and self-labled, intelligent people continue to play the game created by a pathetic,dying few. The pardigm is in retrograde and the next will scare the shit outof those sop ill-prepared to face the truth. Weaklings,mental, spiritual,self deluded weaklings.

Future generations will look back on the 20th-21st century with anger nad joy. The fact that most of the people on tis site have their heads so firmly planted in their asses regrding the true nature of the world around them is testimony to such a future sentiment and to our current dilemma-

I suggest you catch up with the world around you,and get your heads out of the televison,and out of the box-Here's a good start

Now....those of you who choose to, go back to sleep.

@dag-Their agenda,according to those in the know, is a benevolent, transformative awakening from our current rush to render this planet uninhabitable-
Individuals have not done it, save through complicity with thise who have created this framework for the destruction of our planet through the raping of her resources.

Corporations and governments must be eliminated before we can take the next step.

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I don't know Choggie- although the setting of that video at the National Press Club lends it a lot of credibility- I didn't see any really persuasive evidence. My feelings are that actual in-the-flesh alien visitation is possible, but highly unlikely.

>> ^choggie:

Now....those of you who choose to, go back to sleep.
@dag-Their agenda,according to those in the know, is a benevolent, transformative awakening from our current rush to render this planet uninhabitable-
Individuals have not done it, save through complicity with thise who have created this framework for the destruction of our planet through the raping of her resources.
Corporations and governments must be eliminated before we can take the next step.

>> ^dag:
I don't know Choggie- although the setting of that video at the National Press Club lends it a lot of credibility- I didn't see any really persuasive evidence. My feelings are that actual in-the-flesh alien visitation is possible, but highly unlikely.
>> ^choggie:
Now....those of you who choose to, go back to sleep.
@dag-Their agenda,according to those in the know, is a benevolent, transformative awakening from our current rush to render this planet uninhabitable-
Individuals have not done it, save through complicity with thise who have created this framework for the destruction of our planet through the raping of her resources.
Corporations and governments must be eliminated before we can take the next step.



As unlikely as free energy? As unlikely as self-replicating nanorobotic manufacture of anything? As unlikely as anything that would render your current world view extinct should you suddenly be able to see 50 years into the future of the planet?

Why since this very public and formidable testimony to the press,has this issue not been placed before congress? Ask yourself this and afford yourself cushy answers until your brain explodes, they are scared shitless of what panic may occur-The world is so much bigger than what we as peons have access to-so much bigger.....


I personally knew a SAC pilot who when asked what he had seen during his over 40 years flying everything there is to fly for the military, he used the nick-name they used in the force for a UFO, said he saw them, then would speak no more on the matter-These people who came forward from the military in the NPC event a few years back, did so knowing that the people who swore them to secrecy could and would easily have taken everything from them, including family and friends.

Hiding shit is the only way people like the Bushs' can go on living-If we knew half of what Bush senior has done he would immediately be arrested, and sumarilly executed,by an enraged world.....You people think he was bad for the shit we DO know??!! Jesus man, truth is ALWAYS far stranger than fiction.

The logistics of disclosure include the inevitability of widespread panic on the part of the masses should they be shocked into consciousness with information hidden from them by their governments....UFO's are mild compared to the crimes commited by our so-called leaders past and present, some of them still breathing air thanks to files classified for over 40 years(assainations, coops, etc). The truth is not that hard to find, but people need to sto beingprogrammed like cattle by the machine(television,wage-slavery,endless legalism, etc.) The world is groaning for information..they are given half-truths, infotainment,and flat-out bullshit to shape their world views.

>> ^Deano:
I think you'd make a great life coach.


Too much ego in the way-Tried it....to very mixed reception, mostly reactions and denial.Predictable given the degree of hypnotism the bulk of the planet's inhabitants wallow in.

..... the guys who make crop circles, came out and showed the world how they make crop circles.......
the cosmic mysteries of crop circles? as far as i'm concerned: *debunked.

and i'm with dag, i'm sure the universe is teeming with life, i find alien visitation may be possible, but improbable.