*quality policing guys. How do you feel about starting a teaching career in America? We need you.

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Heh, I know it's a joke, but it's funny how a police culture which promotes public safety over killing people results in police that aren't concerned about filming and the exposure it brings... ; )

The video title couldn't be more irritating "Swedish cops show NYPD how to subdue people w/ hurting them". Should I assume it's supposed to say "w/o hurting them".

What's this, some condescending after-school special where we learn a life lesson? This is as dumb as Michael Moore cherry picking factoids about other countries and how much better society is over there. So fucking move there, I'm sure everywhere is Disneyland except for here in the U.S. I hate this stupid shit.

Oh, I'm sure Asmo is right...the police in the US are taught to kill people at every opportunity.

I suppose that makes for a big fail since the cops in the US are so inept at killing people. Out of 12 million arrests, 593 people killed by cops in 2014 with about 1/4 of those being black people. But because you can't turn on MSNBC w/o a rehash of Michael Brown or Eric Garner, people think this happens every 6 seconds on the street.

Someone do the math, because I suck at math, what percent is 593 of 12 million?

There are approximately 343,423,668,428,484,681,262 gallons of water in the ocean. The BP Deepwater Horizon dumped around 210,000,000 million of gallons of oil into the Gulf.

Insignificant? Acceptable? You do the math.

I find the issue of "stepping on NYPD toes" to be trivial and unimportant. What is much more critical is that American laws and culture would, today, tend to discourage bystanders from stepping in and helping as these Swedes did.

Ask any lawyer, and they'll tell you to turn around and walk the other way, because nothing good can come from intervening, and/or you'll just be opening yourself up to lawsuits. I consider that to be a great failing in the direction that America has taken since I was young (80s) and especially before then. Modern America sure seems like a much more litigious, narcissistic, and entitled place than it used to be.

That's because lawyers are legislators and vice versa.

I didn't say they were killing millions, I said they were trained to kill...

US police conflict resolution is at the point of a gun as the first step. Most other countries where a reasonable rule of law exists teach conflict resolution prior to drawing weapons on people.

APC's, body armour, fully automatic weapons etc are not the tools of a police force, they are the tools of an army, but somehow small towns now feature APC's and heavily armed under trained SWAT or tactical response forces. Even US military personal have made the comment, all of the equipment, none of the training or discipline. If you are armed to the teeth and taught to shoot first/ask questions later, it's no surprises that your death by cops tally is so high...

For example, total Australian police shootings in the period 2008-2011 (for a population of 25 odd million or 1/13th of the US) came to /drumroll .... 14

And 7 deaths in Victoria over that time raised eyebrows.

http://theconversation.com/shoot-to-kill-the-use-of-lethal-force-by-police-in-australia-34578

US police, on the other hand, eclipse that total every single year, often by more than the per capita average (often by much more than the per capita average).

2015 (total: 150)
2014 (total: 625)
2013 (total: 342)
2012 (total: 611)
2011 (total: 165)
2010 (total: 227)
2009 (total: 63)

And it's just amazing in how many of those cases, the words "cleared of wrong doing by the district attorney, city paid out to a civil trial for wrongful death" appear. Or "shot while running away", "shot while unarmed" etc.

And to be absolutely clear, I have nothing but respect for most of the people that choose to bear that duty, but they are being trained to go to the gun first and foremost. If that is the first and last tool to resolve conflict, it's no wonder there are so many deaths...

Norwegian cops dont carry guns, Swedish carry, but I think the bar that they have for actually DRAWING the gun is extremely high. I dont know the statistics in either country, so it is an uninformed and anecdotal impression I get, that US cops seems to draw weapons almost as a default reflex in any situation they deem to be potentially dangerous.

There was a video on here a couple of days ago, where the cop was praised for not shooting the suspect, well that suspect seemed to be unarmed (crazy, and suspected murderer, sure, but still unarmed) What about alternative methods, ie: Talking calmly, trying to defuse the situation etc. before drawing? (Maybe that did happen before the video starts, but it doesnt seem that way)

When you have multiple law schools packed to the brim and pumping out new lawyers every year, you have to expect that they are going to be looking for work once they hit the street.

If you have local tv, watch it during the day sometime. Every other commercial is a law office ad promoting themselves. Hurt in an accident, call me. Fall down some stairs at work, call me. Neighbor's dog humps yours, call me.

If we had a reasonable law on the books that made frivolous lawsuits riskier for the plaintiffs, there would be a cry from lawyers comparable to the mythical one from Alderaan. The sad thing is, we are so overflowing with lawyers that in many cases they cannot find jobs, but the schools still have waiting lists to get in.

Visibly unarmed, he could have had any weapon you choose in his pockets. In that kind of a situation, the officer has to draw and have the weapon ready because of the 21 foot rule. Even having it ready, some people correctly pointed out that he let the suspect get too close to him. If the suspect did have a knife, that officer would likely be dead today if the suspect wanted him to be.

"Visibly unarmed, he could have had any weapon you choose in his pockets."
Yes. He could also have planted a nuclear bomb under the cops feet in advance. or be carrying reactive explosives that detonate when shot at. Anything is POSSIBLE. The thing is: Most people, even the ones who are visibly worked up and out of control, are most likely NOT going to try and kill you. Even people who have just murdered two people.

My question is this: Suppose you had 2 cops, cop 1 draws a weapon on every arrest or any situation he/she deems to be potentially dangerous. Cop 2 never draws a weapon, unless the situation is totally out of control. Which cop is most likely to end up in a situation where someone dies or get shot?

The numbers I find are quite higher.....373 so far this year alone, not the 150 you show, 1100 last year, 768 in 2013...and even those higher numbers are lowballed and incomplete because there's no database of this information, the only way to compile it is to contact every police force in the country and ask them individually, and assume they give you honest numbers...which they simply don't Usually they won't give any number. The FBI won't even use it's own statistics, because even THEY can't get a straight answer from the police, who have no obligation to keep the numbers at all.
http://killedbypolice.net/

That seems a little overboard.
That officer might have been injured if the suspect had a knife and the officer reacted the same way, but he had both backup and training to defend himself, so "would likely be dead if the suspect wanted him to be" is a big stretch, IMO.
That said, he did show amazing restraint and a willingness to accept a relatively high level of personal risk to avoid killing a civilian, both of which I applaud him for.
I certainly hope there isn't follow up where he's been reprimanded for not shooting.

Yup, they were just randomly grabbed from a Wiki, and they sounded low but were damning enough already. That they are even higher isn't surprising in the slightest.

It seems to me that you folks think cops should be put in dangerous situations and it's always up to the cops to go the extra mile to protect the citizen.

But the cops will go the extra mile to protect themselves. That's a big difference.

You allow for all the misbehavior imaginable and then tell the cop to use Swedish style restraint under circumstances that are evolving rapidly.

Is that what you would do under the same circumstances?

I would contend that 100% of people who comply with the police do not get harmed.

When you engage in risky behavior, shit happens, like that deputy who shot the guy with his gun instead of his taser.

You demand perfection from cops while requiring nothing from the perpetrator.

Well, cops ain't perfect, so your results may vary.

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