not dupe. It just has a small excerpt of that.
>> ^Farhad2000:
http://www.videosift.com/video/Wafa-Sultan-clashes-over-Is
lamic-teachings-terrorists

http://www.videosift.com/video/Wafa-Sultan-clashes-over-Islamic-teachings-terrorists

@snoozedoctor & arsenault (if you really care to learn why sending missionaries to Iraq stirs up so much trouble)

While I think you have made a somewhat valid point... I ask you not to forget that our great and wonderful nation of 'free-peoples' was only gained via the slaughter and removal of an indigenous population. The rationale for this removal often was that it was completely legit due to the fact that Native Americans were 'heathens' and 'pagans' and therefore not children of God blessed with all the divine rights that the good people of America were inherently imbued with... and don't forget our 'Manifest Destiny, which was essentially God's will that America stretch from coast to coast and become the leading power in this hemisphere. Historically, American armies may not have been have entered battle under the banner of a crucifix, but the justifications for their deployment have often been laced with the rhetoric of spreading 'Christian values' and thereby civilizing the heathen peoples of the world... so, even though this country is not technically a 'theocracy', which is a nation governed by a religious body who forcibly imposes one faith upon all of its citizens (which the Ottoman empire was NOT, by the way- political and ruling powers lay in the hands of the Sultan and his heirs, the Caliphate only established to give their dynasty legitimacy, and by and large the Empire was comprised of peoples of MANY faiths- it was no more a theocracy than was the Holy Roman Empire, or any of the Medieval European States, in fact, in a lot of ways, it was probably much less of one. That corsairs or an envoy operating under its aegis chose to justify their actions by using the Koran is no different than the thousands of other actions carried out by European kings, and conquistadors who chose the Bible as their umbrella), the justifications for the actions of the American military have in the past often been aligned with 'Christian' motivations or agendas (once again, see the conquest and 'taming' of North America)... and given the discourse in American politics today, I think it is hard to deny that there is a great portion of this population that would very much like to see it formally defined as a 'Christian Nation', with Bibles in the classroom and Commandments at the Court House, so the perception abroad that Iraq is a 'Christian War' is not unsurprising, its like to spring up anytime a predominantly Christian country sets foot in the Middle East.

But back to history and the motivations of international shenanigans of the more recent past.... Its not only America that is guilty of working in tandem with the motivations of religious institutions and their rhetoric... throughout the Golden Age of Imperialism foreign missionaries more often than not preceded the armies of Western nations throughout Africa, Asia and the Pacific, establishing churches and converting portions of the population. Attacks on these outposts of Western thought and culture would often then be used as an excuse for a Western nation to move in and establish a military presence before moving on to full blown colonization (see the French takeover of Indochina/Vietnam if you don't believe me).

In regards to this situation then that pattern is important to keep in mind, because I think it helps explain some of the anger that is being raised by missionary activities in the region. Given the prevailing attitude against Western influence in Iraq and other Middle Eastern countries (due mostly to the experience of having been subjugated by Western Imperialist powers in the past), it should not be so surprising that these FOREIGN AMERICAN missionaries would be viewed by Iraqis as a threat to the sovereign identity they are trying to create for themselves. It is not that the Iraqis who might strike out at these people are doing so entirely because they are averse to Christianity, after all, there has been a long standing population of Chaldean Christians within Iraq that has gotten by just fine for centuries- it maybe hasn't been on top and they were pretty fairly discriminated against under Saddam but they certainly have never been outrightly persecuted for not being Muslim. Even today, despite all the turmoil in the country, those who have remained are pretty much just hanging in there and riding things out while the various Muslim factions around them blow one another up.

So, a large component of the problem is that many Iraqis ultimately feel that they are being 'invaded' by Imperialist Western influence, on many fronts, militarily, politically, and via these missionaries, religiously. So, therefore, this conflict of interest goes beyond simply just religion and it is important, I think, that Christians (missionaries and otherwise) realize this, the situation is not just Christian vs. Muslim- Iraqi Muslims are not just angry or striking out because the people of Jesus have dared tread on their sand to convert their neighbors. There are many many other factors involved in this that explain why they would not want missionaries from America to be active within their country... especially at a sensitive moment in history such as this.

Read the first 3 pages of The Icarus Agenda by Robert Ludlum. It was TOTALLY written by choggie.

The rulers were from a privileged household that apparently respected what Allah had given them -- not merely as a birthright, but as a responsibility in the last half of the twentieth century.

Conclusions: the insurrection had been externally programmed. No more than twenty of the two hundred-odd unkempt, shrieking youngsters had been specifically identified as Omanis. Therefore, covert-operations officers with sources in every extremist faction in the Mediterranean-Arabian axis went intently to work, pulling in contacts, bribing, threatening.

"Who are they, Aziz? There is only spitful from Oman, and most of them are considered retarded. Come on, Aziz. Live like a sultan. Try me!"

"Six seconds, Mahmet! Six seconds and your right hand is on the floor without a wrist! Next goes your left. We're on countdown, thief. Give me the information!" Six, five, four... Blood.

Nothing. Zero. Madness.

List of places shown in the video:
+Sultan the Pit Pony (Wales)
+Atacama Giant (Chile)
+Uffington White Horse (England)
+Area 51 Bomb Target (NV, USA)
+Nazca Lines (Peru)
+Firefox Logo (OR, USA)
+Coca-Cola logo (Chile)
+Alton Barnes White Horse (England)
+Folkestone Horse (England)
+Pintados Geoglyphs (Chile)
+Chiza Geoglyphs (Chile)
+Long Man of Wilmington (England)
+Cerne Abbas Giant (England)
+Barnsley Crop Circles (England)
+Darfield Crop Circles (England)
+Marree Man (Australia)
+Ciudad Juarez White Horse (Mexico)
+Blythe Geoglyphs (CA, USA)
+Traditional Tibetan Mantra (China)
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Music:
"Mars from The Planets"
BBC Symphony Orchestra, 1999
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Coordinates:
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Sultan the Pit Poney:
51°39'2.63"N, 3°15'22.89"W
Atacama Giant:
19°56'57.06"S, 69°38'2.21"W
Uffington Horse:
51°34'38.96"N, 1°33'59.75"W
Area 51 Bomb Target:
37°39'57.84"N, 116° 1'30.69"W
Nazca Lines:
14°41'27.91"S, 75° 7'3.22"W
Firefox Logo:
45° 7'25.54"N, 123° 6'49.41"W
Coca-Cola logo:
18°31'45.17"S, 70°15'0.04"W
Alton Barnes White Horse:
51°22'21.15"N, 1°50'53.10"W
Folkestone White Horse:
51° 6'3.95"N, 1° 8'22.77"E
Pintados:
20°37'23.96"S, 69°40'4.30"W
Chiza:
19°12'13.42"S, 70° 0'31.19"W
Long Man of Wilmington:
50°48'34.77"N, 0°11'18.77"E
Cerne Abbas Giant:
50°48'47.37"N, 2°28'28.05"W
Crop Circles 1:
53°32'13.22"N, 1°30'17.42"W
Crop Circles 2:
53°31'54.37"N, 1°21'24.19"W
Marree Man:
29°32'3.14"S, 137°28'15.24"E
Ciudad Juárez White Horse:
31°39'44.93"N, 106°35'15.97"W
Blythe:
33°47'43.31"N, 114°32'13.11"W
Tibetan Mantra:
32°54'36.39"N, 97° 2'46.38"E

Fun! Unclasp pants- anus, cunts, fap pulsant lust.

Act fast, scant tuna can't last!

Sculpt a fat Sultan. A tan aunt spun a plan.

The poster didn't bother to type in the name from the first three seconds, where you'd see her name is Wafa Sultan. That would catch the dupe.
http://www.videosift.com/video/The-clash-we-are-witnessing-around-the-world-is-not-a-clash-of-religions

*discard

Having actually watched both videos in full, I can tell you with certainty that they are not at all duplicates of each other. This one is an audio commentary upon the former video.

Additionally, I would like to point out that ad hominem attacks are only relevant in judging the accuracy of *data* that is supported only by someone's assertion. Whether or not someone has, say, lied in the past, is only salient if you propose to "take their word for it".
Ad hominem attacks have no relevance whatsoever in judging the accuracy of competing *arguments* put forth upon undisputed premises. Each person should use his or her own logical mind to decide whether an argument stands or falls.
Thirdly, ad hominem attacks upon a middleman have no relevance whatsoever in disputes about sourced premises in which the original source is available.
If someone is wrong, either their premises are wrong, or their argument is wrong, or both. Ad hominem attacks are only relevant in a small subset of the first case. We are not being asked to take Wafa Sultan's word for anything here.

I am disgusted by the fact that ad hominem attacks waste so much precious time in so many debates that would better be spent arguing about the real subject of the debate.

I am not a neo-con, not a conservative, not a bigot. I'm just someone who values logic in a discussion.

Yeah, the host is daft and fawning but that doesn't make it not worth watching. Israel's policy is incendiary and unfortunate but understandably provoked the endless stream of suicide bombings. Both sides are wrong and both sides have done evil. Can Israel really dismantle all the checkpoints without causing an upsurge in terrorism? The conflict has to be won in the hearts and minds of people on both sides, and that is what Wafa Sultan is attempting to do. She is advocating nothing but peace, rationality, secularism, and nonviolence. She has been the subject of character assassination by a few Muslim zealots.

Every once in a while someone who doesn't know a thing about Islam and the middle east posts this as some kind of insightful commentary on the problem of terrorism. If you really believe the by-line of Islamic terrorism then you are willingly deceiving yourself. Saddam Hussein was not a Muslim, he was a secular dictator. For him to affiliate with religious parties was akin to giving away power and control. The current Shi'a and Sunni conflict is not prevalent throughout the world. It's rather be exasperated by terrorists who want to plunge Iraq and the US military into civil war. This is nothing but a willing submission to the idea of the clash of civilizations. Which I believe is inherently stupid.

I dislike Wafa Sultan because she doesn't attack the issue where it needs to be attacked and rather seems to insult everyone who practices the Islamic faith.

Not a dupe, as far as I can tell. There is another similar Wafa Sultan video on videosift but the content does not overlap. Maybe they are disjoint extracts from the same interview.

I put it in this collective primarily for the images used in this video.

It features the band performing in the desert, while reflecting on a variety of social issues including stem cell research, pollution, global warming, racism, Nazism, famine, wars, deforestation, drug addiction, obesity, destruction, and other crimes committed by humanity. The video also features short views of important historical figures, such as Mother Teresa, Buddha, Fidel Castro and Mahatma Gandhi.

Notable clips from the video
Adolf Hitler
Auschwitz concentration camp
Buddha
Benito Mussolini
Citizens of the world's least developed countries.
Fidel Castro
Josef Stalin
Ku Klux Klan
Lincoln Memorial
Civil Rights Demonstration in Birmingham, Alabama
Mother Teresa
Mahatma Gandhi
Mao Zedong
Nuclear testing
Pollution and global warming clips
The Egyptian Pyramids
Saddam Hussein
Sultan Ahmed Mosque
The Vitruvian Man
The September 11 terror attacks
John F. Kennedy

I agree and disagree on many of her views. Mostly because as a immigrant living in America she has lost touch with the Islamic community, and has now declined to making inflammatory statements everywhere she goes instead of actually working to some end.

"Other Jews, such as Judea Pearl (father of murdered journalist Daniel Pearl), have strongly criticized Sultan's polemics. In an op-ed piece published in the Los Angeles Times (June 25, 2006) and titled "Islam’s Ann Coulter," Rabbi Stephen Julius Stein at Wilshire Boulevard Temple, who attended a fundraiser for a local Jewish organization where Sultan was a speaker, wrote "Sultan’s over-the-top, indefensible remarks at the fundraiser, along with her failure to mention the important, continuing efforts of the Islamic Center (of Southern California), insulted all Muslims and Jews in L.A. and throughout the nation who are trying to bridge the cultural gap between the two groups. And that’s one reason why I eventually walked out of the event."

Everything she says is simply conjecture. You can't blame religion for being abused and corrupted by various power hungry individuals, but then again how do you at the same time defend democracy being brought through bombs? And honestly if the Palestinian people could afford F-16s, they would use them instead of suicide bombers. Suicide bombing is not a point reached out of irrational religious fervor, it's reached by human desperation at seeing nothing being done about your plight for over 60 years or seeing your country taken over by a goverment preaching freedom and democracy, while it appoints its own ministers and goverment behind a emerald concrete walled complex away from the people.

If what she said was really true. There would have been a religious and cultural war spreading back to the Crusades, but we're not, because this is ALL INVENTED just like the Crusades. And the more troops and soldiers we send to bring 'freedom', the more we galvanize the people that see this as a military occupation, the more we create the very thing we want to avoid. If this is really a war for the fate of western civilization then maybe we should get the draft back, and send 500,000 troops. But we won't, because it's NOT.

The whole fiasco about Iraq having had weapons of mass destruction is a perpetuated lie that is still defended under the guise of bad intelligence and such, not mentioning the clear fact that Iraq was under UN sanctions and a NO FLY ZONE with US and UK fighters occasionally firing a few cruise missiles. The whole nation was under watch by Coalition Forces stationed in the Gulf. Militarily ask yourself if it's advisable to develop a nuclear weapon to attack the US under those conditions. The moment that happens it gives the US total carte blanche in using it's own nuclear arsenal. Now in a nuclear stand off who do you think would survive? Developing nuclear weapons or weapons of mass destruction is no avenue for any other nation on the planet.

But what do I know am a liberal defeatist communist right QM?

I was expecting some middle eastern guy walking along the streets of Marrakesh, talking about his life and hashish as he's harvesting marijuana leaves. And the English subtitle at the bottom says something like 'our family has been in this business for generations, when our ancestors made hashish for the sultan' type of deal.

This is just your regular joe's pothead guide to making hashish... I kinda disappointed myself with the expectation... dang.

Sultans of Swing was great! I guess this "keytar" is an option if you can play keys but can't be bothered learning guitar...