That would be EPIC!

In reply to this comment by hpqp:
"Weiner 2016: Swing on it!"

>> ^chilaxe:

@ dystopianfuturetoday @ MaxWilder
It seems reasonable to want people in the positions of greatest influence to have as much human capital and intelligence as ourselves.


Which is why I was so extremely disappointed in the election of W...

But more to the point, the reason we have separation of powers is to account for the fact that power corrupts. We built it into our country because we expect them to screw up eventually. But the question is, does this particular screw-up reflect on his ability to perform the duties of his office. In this case, I say no. But that's just my opinion, since I'm not a sexually repressed theist. I'm sure there will be others who think that sexting is much worse than starting wars. We'll see if Weiner can take the heat. I suppose that's the way it should be.

Not exactly the same circumstance, but still relevent.

Cheers for the promote! Happy New Year!
In reply to this comment by MrFisk:
*promote

Thinking of you

Now, to be fair, the reason there may not be more news about guys having a sexting controversy.. is maybe because women can actually keep a picture to themselves.

Thank you

In reply to this comment by peggedbea:
*promote *femme

OMG cat is in another comedy bit here: http://www.buzzfeed.com/mjs538/kittens-and-tiger-woods-sexts

"After I cum you better start sucking my cock to get it hard!" LOL! That's ridiculous.

In reply to this comment by dystopianfuturetoday:
Lulz: http://www.buzzfeed.com/mjs538/kittens-and-tiger-woods-sexts

Lulz: http://www.buzzfeed.com/mjs538/kittens-and-tiger-woods-sexts

@Shepppard

Well he's already admitted to being naked in the presence of an underage person. So he's guilty of at least corruption of a minor which according to a quick google search shows it can range from activities such as discussions involving sex, showing them pornography or explicit images, teaching them destructive behavior, etc. So remaining in a hot tub, nude with someone underage I think would fall into the realm of corruption of a minor.

And since in recent years, the laws for child pornography have moved to include cartoons depicting underage characters, sexting related pictures/text, and various other new and confusing ways to interpret and punish people for them. I would say again that simply being nude in front of a minor, or being in the presence of a minor who is nude unless you're a medical doctor or police official conducting a search...you'd be guilty of a crime that may not be exactly child pornography but it would be more severe than corruption of a minor.

So......I think he admitted to at least corruption of a minor and possibly something more severe that would be more inline with punishments for child pornography charges. Is there a statute of limitations on these things? No idea, but I suspect not since they potentially have long standing psychological ramifications on the minor whether they were willing or not. If there was any sort of sexual contact, statutory rape would be in play and it doesn't even consider "willingness" of the minor to be convicted of it.


Let's assume that he knew this girl was underage because it would be silly of him to make a prepared speech admitting guilt and not stressing that at the time he had no idea of her age. Since that simple point would make him a lot less culpable, especially if she were in a situation where someone underage shouldn't have been able to gain access to. But he didn't, and it was a prepared speech...so he put thought into it to spin it in a light most flattering to himself.


Who was in the tub first?

Does it matter if he stayed and didn't attempt to cover up or leave?

Were they talking before getting into the tub?

Subject matter of this talk would only make his case worse, and wouldn't change it if it were innocent.

Did they both agree to in at the same time?

Really it doesn't matter, he wouldn't be confessing to it if it were innocent...and he wouldn't have paid her if it were innocent.

Were they alone, or at some party?

If alone, it's he said she said. But any normal guy in this situation would have a dim view taken on him being nude in front of a 15 year old girl who was also nude...party or alone. If in a party situation, probably more criminal charges to dole out.

Had they been alone, how'd he get her there in the first place?

Still doesn't change the wrongness of his acts, or what he has already admitted to. It would only potentially weaken his case in my opinion, I can't think of anything where this would make his case stronger given what he already admitted to.

If they were at a party, who let a 15 year old girl in?

This goes to the assumption that he would have claimed he didn't know her age when he admitted to the crime, because otherwise he's implying he knew at the time of the act. If he hadn't known, he would have put it into his speech since it was prepared before hand.....silly to do otherwise. And he wouldn't have paid blackmail money if he was tricked into the initial act that kicked it all off.

If they were at a party, what were her intentions upon showing up?

It doesn't really matter in the case of a minor, maybe her intentions were to get laid by the oldest guy at the party. If she succeeded it'd still be statutory rape since willingness does not let them off the hook. It might help his case, but it wouldn't alleviate his guilt much if her were a normal joe.

Did they start off naked in the tub?

I think that it's been hidden for 30 years, had one payment already paid.....and now him coming forward....I'd say they were naked long enough for this not to matter. If it were innocent, the hush money never would have been paid. Since if he had 150k to give away freely, he could have crushed her in court.



I think if he had done anything that was morally responsible that night, he would have included it in his prepared speech. I say he knew her age. It wasn't an innocent non-sexual situation, otherwise the hush money wouldn't have been paid. The only reason he made the speech was to get out in front of it and try to spin it more positively for himself before she got the media coverage to burn him.

Anyway I looked up an article from the girl involved in the thing, and she says a few things that confirm my suspicions..but I didn't read it until this point and not going to go back and restate what I've written. I think the lack of him not addressing certain things is his way of avoiding the damning parts, because if it were good for his case.......he would have said it.


Either way, after his speech they got ahold of her. Here's a link:

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/700016074/Cheryl-Maher-says-Kevin-Garn-lied-about-hot-tub-contact.html

A few choice comments:

Utah House Majority Leader Kevin Garn is lying about having no physical contact with her when they went hot-tubbing in the nude when she was 15 years old.

She also says they had a long-term relationship at that time and contends that he had affairs with others.

"Then there was a day when he took me to Salt Lake, and he stopped and got alcohol, and we ended up at this hot-tub place on State Street. I was scared. I said, 'I don't have a suit.' He said, 'You don't need one,' " Maher wrote.

>> ^rougy:
^ You know, Crake? I used to think the same thing until you said that.
EDIT: I read your posts and I can't figure out where you stand!
Perhaps an Aussie bounder. Not infuriated enough to be a Yank. Still a bit rough to be a European.
But that's just me.
You know what pisses me off about my country, America? Kids being labeled sex offenders for "sexting" each other.
I mean, really, how much harder can we try to fuck up somebody's hormone-enraged life?


muahaha! moving target ftw! i have no affiliation! i have no mission! i reject your whole logic-based paradigm!

^ You know, Crake? I used to think the same thing until you said that.

EDIT: I read your posts and I can't figure out where you stand!

Perhaps an Aussie bounder. Not infuriated enough to be a Yank. Still a bit rough to be a European.

But that's just me.

You know what pisses me off about my country, America? Kids being labeled sex offenders for "sexting" each other.

I mean, really, how much harder can we try to fuck up somebody's hormone-enraged life?

>> ^LittleRed:
I'm completely baffled as to how a 13 year-old would think it acceptable to send nude photos to anyone.

Get with the program, daddio.

They're called hormones, and just because you haven't seen yours lying around in a few years, doesn't mean they don't exist in abundance in thirteen year olds.

>> ^ReverendTed:
>> ^LittleRed:
I certainly didn't have picture messaging at 13, or even a cell phone.
To be fair, it probably wasn't 2009 when you were 13, either.


Ooo, burn!