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How it Starts

JiggaJonson says...

It's amazing to me how republicans

"MASKS TO STOP A PANDEMIC? THIS IS FUCKING TYRANNYYYYY!!! I NEED A HAIRCUT OR SOMEONE HERE GONNA DIEiiiieeeeeeeee!!!"

Then actual tyranny happens and they're fine with it because daddy trump ordered it.


Yo, the federal government just sent the military to round up people lawfully and legally protesting and throw them in unmarked vans. You are either a coward or a troll.

bobknight33 said:

derp derp derp So many hoaxes
You have to live in my world to understand it. Nothing is as it seems every thing is part of Q annon plan.

How it Starts

newtboy says...

Duh.
Police departments and federal agencies have both determined nationwide that the riots, arsons, shootings, assaults with vehicles, bombings, etc are being perpetrated by right wing extremists, not by antifa. They've said so both publicly and privately.

The violence is largely being CAUSED by federal agencies and local law enforcement...not stopped by them. They instigate violence by attacking non violent protests repeatedly. Americans know it, and are overwhelmingly on the peaceful protesters side.

If this was some brilliant strategy to prove federal intervention is needed, why hide who they are? No identification at all is not how you sell the idea that the feds are above board, helping. It's great evidence of the opposite, that they're doing so much damage they don't even want their department identified, much less the thugs themselves.

I can only imagine the outrage if Obama sent in the troops against the wishes of the governor and mayor, unidentifiable troops in unmarked vehicles rounding up right wingers and dragging them away to who knows where. You would be calling for another civil war.
Just duh.

Fauci

newtboy says...

Lol. Facts are always BS to you Trump Chumps....

https://www.sciencealert.com/starting-isolation-two-weeks-sooner-could-have-saved-9-out-of-10-us-coronavirus-deaths

https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-deaths-us-could-avoided-by-social-distancing-sooner-experts-2020-4

Real fact is that at this point it's closer to 95% because he is pretty much solely responsible for the resurgence of phase one thanks to his urging his cultists to deny science and make not wearing a mask and ignoring social distancing an exercise of freedom, causing much of the resurgence, and has done nothing to prepare for round two, so that number is guaranteed to rise.

bobknight33 said:

"> 90% of Covid cases by his ineptitude, " Such Factual BS

Cosmos - Eratosthenes calculates Earth's circumference

O.C.- The Florida Of California

newtboy says...

They don't deserve denied care unless they're in crowds unmasked, then yes, but I also support prosecuting them, since the organized people caught doing damage and sparking riots so far are right wing extremists, actually right wing terrorists with all the accompanying bombs and plans to destroy America, that sounds great. Anyone actually doing damage (beyond simple reversible vandalism like paint on glass), lighting fires, beating peaceful people, driving/shooting into crowds, or instigating others to do so aren't protesters....nor are they cops, identify them too, first actually. Round them all up and lock them up together.

Of course, you agree we should also use them at any white power/other hate group rally and make the lists public, right? They have a right to hate, we have every right to identify and hate them back, and shun them, refuse them service, employment, or housing, right? Being prejudiced is not a protected class.

bobknight33 said:

What about the Rioters and Protesters of last 2 weeks? Do you support using facial recognition to identify these irresponsible inconsiderate ignoramuses and create a database any hospital can use to deny them Covid care?

A Deer In Headlights

newtboy says...

Democrats acted quickly, first to shelter in place, San Francisco, first state, California.....Trump pushed back and kept Republican run cities and states open while insisting there was no pandemic, Chinese hoax, liberal hoax, less deadly than the flu, gone by April, no ppe shortage, everyone can get a test. Cases in those states are mostly still on the upswing, with round two now a certainty.

Trump is still breathing. America is losing.

bobknight33 said:

Trump acted quickly, Democrats pushed back and kept their cities opened.


Trump is winning. Democrats are losing.

Police fire (paintball?) at residents on their front porch

jimnms says...

I don't know what point you're trying to make. Nothing I said was incorrect. For a gun to fire simunition, it has to have special modifications. Whether the modifications are easy or hard had nothing to do with the point I made, which is that a gun modified to fire simunition can't fire regular ammunition. So if they were using simunition, there is no chance of one of them grabbing the wrong "clip" and accidentally killing someone.

A 40mm LTL round sounds about like a pistol being fired. Here is a video I found doing a quick search.

If you watch the video again, between 23 and 24 seconds you can see a green powder cloud, which looks exactly like this 40mm marking powder grenade, which according to the manufacturer, has an effective range of 5 to 120 feet.

It also has a warning: "This product can expose you to chemicals including Lead Salts and Hexavalent Chromium, which are known to the State of California to cause cancer, and Lead Salts, which are known to the State of California to cause birth defects or other reproductive harm."

newtboy said:

In most rifles, it only requires swapping the bolt, something a qualified person can do in seconds, in others, the upper receiver, maybe a 1-2 minute job no harder than proper cleaning. Pistol conversion kits are similarly simple.
Don't be fooled that it's some long, difficult process so unlikely for that reason, it's simplistic and fast....and the conversion is just as easily and quickly reversible.

Edit: That didn't sound like an 40mms I've heard, more like a 9mm pistol with a light load. Any kind of 40mm round at that range would be brutal

Police fire (paintball?) at residents on their front porch

newtboy says...

In most rifles, it only requires swapping the bolt, something a qualified person can do in seconds, in others, the upper receiver, maybe a 1-2 minute job no harder than proper cleaning. Pistol conversion kits are similarly simple.
Don't be fooled that it's some long, difficult process so unlikely for that reason, it's simplistic and fast....and the conversion is just as easily and quickly reversible.

Edit: That didn't sound like an 40mms I've heard, more like a 9mm pistol with a light load. Any kind of 40mm round at that range would be brutal

jimnms said:

I doubt it was simunition. I've never heard of it being used outside of training (not saying it isn't thought). Simunition only works in special modified guns because it doesn't produce enough blowback to cycle in a normal gun, and guns modified for sumunition can't load regular ammunition.

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Police fire (paintball?) at residents on their front porch

jimnms says...

I doubt it was simunition. I've never heard of it being used outside of training (not saying it isn't thought). Simunition only works in special modified guns because it doesn't produce enough blowback to cycle in a normal gun, and guns modified for sumunition can't load regular ammunition.

From the sound it made, it was more likely some sort of 40mm less-than lethal round fired from a launcher.

Either way, these should never be fired at anyone that is non threatening because although they are called less-than-lethal, they can still cause serious injuries.

SFOGuy said:

I think, after some research, they were using "Simunition"---chalk marking ammunition for exercises and training courses.
https://simunition.com/en/products/fx_marking_cartridges

that's a risky strategy.
One officer, one person, grabs the wrong clip, reloads, the wrong rounds, and suddenly---you have a crowd of dead civilians scattered on their front porch.

Risky, risky, risky.

Police fire (paintball?) at residents on their front porch

newtboy says...

For these to be called even less lethal, the entire system must be used, including MANDITORY safety gear including at a minimum Kevlar helmets, face shields, groin shields, and a neck protector. If the victim doesn't have each piece of the mandatory gear, these rounds can cause permanent injury and death.

Directly from the manufacturer of simunition.

In order to reduce the risk of injury during these highly dynamic scenarios, Simunition® has developed a full line of protective equipment for both men and women. This equipment is an integral part of the FX® training system.
The FX® line of protective equipment consists of three MANDATORY protective items: the helmet or the facemask for use with Kevlar helmets, the neck protector and the groin protector. The arm protectors, vest, gloves, pants and sleeves are optional. FX® protective equipment, which is Simunition® tested and approved, is comfortable, breathable and lightweight, allowing the user to move freely and naturally.

Another *doublepromote to keep it front and center, police in gangs fully armored with military backing are using live rounds (yes, they are) on unarmed unshielded citizens who are committing no crime peacefully stationary on their own porches. Might as well have been bullets, at that range with no protection these rounds can kill easily. Attempted murder charges for every cop there.
I can't wait until someone shoots a cop in the eye with one and it dies. Suddenly they won't be calling them non lethal ammunition that's safe.

Police fire (paintball?) at residents on their front porch

SFOGuy says...

I think, after some research, they were using "Simunition"---chalk marking ammunition for exercises and training courses.
https://simunition.com/en/products/fx_marking_cartridges

that's a risky strategy.
One officer, one person, grabs the wrong clip, reloads, the wrong rounds, and suddenly---you have a crowd of dead civilians scattered on their front porch.

Risky, risky, risky.

BSR said:

I'm sure testosterone played a roll in it. You know, showing off in front of the women.

Police fire (paintball?) at residents on their front porch

SFOGuy says...

I wonder what the heck it was? Paintball? More like...chalkball?
Their idea of a non-lethal (less lethal?) round?

I sort of doubt they have any authorization for that...

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newtboy says...

Ahhh...So all those "takers", the welfare queens and system abusers who live on the government's money aren't the dregs of society, they're the smart people intelligent enough to take whatever they can take, and hardworking taxpayers are the stupid cucks too dumb to get their handouts and chill?!? I had no idea you were such a ridiculously far left socialist...what have you done with Bob?

You realize Trump is that dumb government, and he thinks the checks are great since he gets to put his name on them and distract you from the trillions he's just giving his large donors....and himself since reportedly most of his properties have applied for bailouts. Citizens got 1/8 of the first stimulus, and Trump has insisted they'll get nothing in the next rounds. Guaranteed that won't mean his family though, they'll get their checks.

bobknight33 said:

If government is dumb enough to send me 1 I'm smart enough to take 1.



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