"Tide goes in. Tide goes out. Never a miscommunication."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wb3AFMe2OQY

never a miscommunication

I think the point Bill was trying to make, although I don't think he has quite articulated it in his own mind, is that while you may be able to describe the physical mechanisms as to why the tides behave the way they do, this doesn't explain why the physical laws that cause their behavior continue to operate constantly and consistantly. This is why he said "never a miscommunication". And this is something that science cannot explain and has to assume to make science even possible. All scientific theories that exist depend on it.

The uniformity of nature is *the* fundemental assumption of science, which is to say that future will be like the past, but how can this be explained in a naturalistic worldview? You can't justify it without viciously circular reasoning, ie, that the evidence that the future will be like the past is justified by the past. What is upholding these absolute laws in a Universe which is constantly changing? This is what Bill is getting at, I think, is that you can describe mechanism all day long, but this says nothing about an Agency. You have to explain Agency first (or explain it away), before you can say you've explained anything.

You can describe all the mechanisms of reality, but in the end, you still have faith in a self-creating Universe. You haven't explained why there is uniformity in nature, but funnily enough, it was the Christian belief of Christian scientists that God created a orderly Universe based on laws that science had the idea that it could suss out those laws by investigating secondary causes. This is why Kepler said he felt like he was thinking Gods thoughts after him. But to explain anything you must explain the first thought. "I don't know" is not an argument against a Creator, nor is explaining the tides physical operation evidence that His hand isn't pulling all the strings.

Well, we can't explain that. However, what I mean is that we put a tremendous amount of faith just in our basic ability to rationally comprehend the world around us. Our worldly knowledge is hopelessly incomplete and constantly changing, and must be continually re-evaluated. It's the same thing for science; it doesn't prove anything. Here's a letter to the editor quote from Science magazine:

The title of the 6 May News of the Week story “At long last, Gravity Probe B satellite proves Einstein right” (p. 649) made me cringe. I find myself frequently repeating to students and the public that science doesn’t “prove” theories. Scientific measurements can only disprove theories or be consistent with them. Any theory that is consistent with measurements could be disproved by a future measurement. I wouldn’t have expected Science magazine, of all places, to say a theory was “proved.”

The reply:

Bennett is completely correct. It’s an important conceptual point, and we blew it.

As far as the Holocaust goes, I wasn't originally intending to pin it on anyone, but since the topic has surfaced, Hitler may have claimed in his propaganda to be Christian, but his statements to the nazi party tells a much different story:

27th February, 1942, midday

"It would always be disagreeable for me to go down to posterity as a man who made concessions in this field. I realize that man, in his imperfection, can commit innumerable errors-- but to devote myself deliberately to errors, that is something I cannot do. I shall never come personally to terms with the Christian lie."
"Our epoch in the next 200 years will certainly see the end of the disease of Christianity.... My regret will have been that I couldn't... behold <its demise>." (p 278)

Doesn't sound like a Christian to me..



>> ^Duckman33:
>> ^shinyblurry:
Although there is no proof that the sun will rise tomorrow, you accept it on faith that it will.
IE, the holocaust.


May as well be saying the following:
"The tide comes in, the tide goes out. Never a miscommunication. You can't explain that."
- Bill O'Reilly
Hitler and the Nazis claimed to be devout Christians. Learn a lil history before you go around blaming that shit on atheists, please.

>> ^shinyblurry:

Although there is no proof that the sun will rise tomorrow, you accept it on faith that it will.
IE, the holocaust.



May as well be saying the following:

"The tide comes in, the tide goes out. Never a miscommunication. You can't explain that."

- Bill O'Reilly

Hitler and the Nazis claimed to be devout Christians. Learn a lil history before you go around blaming that shit on atheists, please.

There's never any miscommunication.

>> ^honkeytonk73:

The tides go in, the tides go out.


Never a miscommunication...

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"Tide goes in, tide goes out. Never a miscommunication. You can't explain that. You can't explain why the tide goes in."

>> ^dystopianfuturetoday:

Surf's up!