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Four producers remix the same jazz piano sample

Sagemind says...

So here's my opinion.
I hate this.

Why you ask?
Because, while each producer has become the artist, none of them respect the music. I understand this is the assignment. But it's wholly representative of what's wrong with the music industry today.

Don't miss-understand me, I respect the artistry of the process they go through. They have all created a new personal piece. Respect for that part.

BUT, Music is more than re-sampling. The ORIGINAL artist matters. When I listen to music, I want to hear the artist who created the piece. I want to experience the sound of someone playing actual instruments. There is no replacement for the talent of a musician.

I would accept this IF the producer, actually crated their own samples first. This in affect is like a do-it-yourself paint-by-numbers kit.

I love the sounds, but I never want to hear music where it's so overly-produced that it erases or lays claim to a sound above the original musician's piece.

Where have all the musician's gone? - They all went digital! and the music died.

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shagen454 says...

I think if you're going to have P2W - it should take place on a P2W server separate from those who are grinding the game. It's just one of the many reasons WoW isn't all that special anymore. Need a level 100 toon? Pay $30, get one instantly, on any sever ya like, you know with the people who put in 1000 hours of their real life.

I don't really care about loot boxes as long as they are cosmetic. In HOTS or Overwatch it's just like an added bonus, even though most of it is trash. Though, having loot boxes in HOTS is a little different than Overwatch which was an overrated/overpriced $60 game while HOTS (also made by Blizzard) is actually free to fucking play and even then I have most of the toons and never spent a cent and get plenty of loot boxes for free as well.

Keep this shit up though and the underground/indie devs are going to take over the gaming industry. Just like what happened with music, MTV not playing real music, the radio playing the same shit over and over again, major labels putting out garbage over and over again... and it eventually broke the mainstream music industry (thank fucking god).

It's not just Autotune - how singers cheat today(Pop Theory)

Sagemind says...

I was with him for the first part.
And it's not that I can't take him seriously because of his hair - I found it very distracting to take singing critique from a Bieber look-alike...
He lost me when he says, "Even though your favorite artists probably cheats a bit in the studio, try to remember that tracks that you love by them might not have existed without this technology speeding up their workflow."

First, I think people like T-pain, Kanye, and Drake are most of what is wrong with the music industry today. So they definitely are NOT my favorite artists. Honestly, I refuse to call them artists. Artists hone their skills through tireless hours, years and dedication. Something these people don't do. (Hence the need for Autotune)

His point is exactly the point. Without Auto-tune, we wouldn't have these songs because they are utter garbage. It's Auto-tune that is the star, not the personas "behind the curtain."

And also, there is no fast track to learning skills. Yes, as he states, "speeding up their workflow" is just that. Workflow. This means it helps them produce tons of this crap without ever improving their skills, because they don't need to. They just need to rapidly produce song after song, while waiting for the one that is the most catchy to stick in people's minds. Then the conglomerate of industry leaches will pick it it up in hopes they all generate a few bucks from it. Meaning, they get radio play for producing crap song, after crap song.

Sorry to rant here, but pick up an instrument, learn to play. Learn how to sing, learn to hit a note. Entrance us with your skills and abilities. Seduce us with abilities that impress us. Gain our respect with your talents.

The guy in this video is just as fake as a Bieber look-alike, and while he starts to point out that they are3 cheating, he ends by enabling them showing us how great Lois's recorded voice sounds like once Frankensteined. This is not okay.

Note: I'm posting this comment to the YouTube video as well

FlowersInHisHair (Member Profile)

poolcleaner says...

I understand. I've been in cover bands. I was providing solid, factual information and the zeitgeist of the truly raw emotional music called metal. How does this equate to the lack of understanding of the music industry and the game they force musicians into? Then the game those very musicians somehow embrace via, what, musical Stockholm syndrome? lol!!!

Yeah, it sure is a good way to practice and get views. I agree, but how is it Top 15? All the other good musicians playing the good but unpopular songs and aren't cute enough for branding?

Yay Capitalism. It works. Who would have guessed. But I don't base my up votes on this sad fact of economics. It's bullshit. The music industry should be a sacred institution of musical progression and the pursuit of higher standards in music. But it's just a machine. The machine doesn't produce the truly great stuff. The great stuff is made by geniuses who write music because they breath it. It's made by disenfranchised youth. It is NOT this. This is cute but fucking SAD. But I guess no one gives a fuck because cool that's how it works. Ignore the superior talent, the artists with passion and personal drive due to adversity -- nooooooooo, focus on the popular talent.

FlowersInHisHair said:

Covering popular standards is a good way of practicing and also of getting some views. Many bands on YouTube do it and it seems a bit weird and pompous to pick on these talented performers for doing it too.

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Sagemind says...

Okay, I just posted this on another video..., but it may make more sense here.

"I will never respect Kanye for his actions. And to top it, I will never forgive him for his contributions to the music industry. Does he even play an instrument?"

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Sagemind says...

I will never respect Kanye for his actions. And to top it, I will never forgive him for his contributions to the music industry. Does he even play an instrument?

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Alex Lifeson (of RUSH) talks with his parents about future

SquidCap says...

But one must first try. What Alex is trying to get across here is that you don't have to start from your fallback plan and stick to that.

One also has to remember that Alex is second generation immigrant, there is tremendous pressure on that gen as they are the first to have a full set of new opportunities. Unlike many bands, Rush members were not flunking grades, they are pretty intelligent, parents could see them becoming lawyers, doctors etc. Rock and roll as a career was then still new one.

But first you have to try, take risks and if it doesn't work, go to your second plan. If you are a parent, support that first try. Art is what drives mankind forward, it IS the hardest to succeed in it. That is the lesson you need to get across: "most likely, it's not gonna happen so be prepared for plan B". A lot of parents just don't want to see that plan A fail , which is going to happen if you don't let them even try.

And you are right on that number, it's very very close to reality. about 1 in 100 can get a work in music industry as a technician etc. blue collar job. About 1 in 1000 will get work as an artist. But that blue collar work, it's something special.. You learn to be a polymath and fast problem solver, you learn how to organize, how to delegate, how to communicate with anyone, how to get things done with the tools you have available. Technicians that have worked behind the stage are really talented and sought after.. They get things done, period.

JiggaJonson said:

I don't care for videos like this. For every success there are 1,000 people who DID have to fall back on that back up plan.

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VoodooV says...

are you fucking kidding me? are they still hanging onto that myth that music piracy seriously hampered the music industry? They did studies that the industry actually profited because piracy exposed people to more bands that they ended up spending more money on.

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jimnms says...

*dead because YouTube/Music Industry are cunts: "This video contains content from UMG. It is restricted from playback on certain sites."

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Sagemind says...

That being said. It's a terrible situation when the "Music" industry prefers image over the ability to sing or play instruments.

... And they are wondering why the music industry is dieing?

Music is ability, imagination, art and talent coming together in a cohesive lump which provokes emotions fused with a rhythm that lets you feel it inside.

That's not manufactured - it's Emoted.
"Lets try putting music first in the industry again!!!!!"

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TheFreak says...

@chingalera

That's a fair assessment. I enjoy watching her put the song together. Could have done without the pretentious hand waiving and head swinging but it's not for me to judge how she pulls her music out. If I ever have to see a video of my own maneurisms while I play, I'll probably have nightmares.

I have nothing but good memories of the song also. It kind of represents the beginning of the end of a short musical era that had a huge positive impact on the music industry.

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Trancecoach says...

Retailer strong-arming: So what? Movie studios do this to theaters all the time. So what if Best Buy only sells Apple -- in essence becomes an Apple store -- like all the other exclusive Apple stores? There will still be many willing and able competitors who will employ their entrepreneurial savvy by seeing the market need in selling non-apple tablets and make good money fulfilling that need that Best Buy may have (stupidly) stopped serving.

I repeat: Natural monopolies don't exist. And if they come about, they end up very short-lived because the world is full of competitors and competitor-wannabe's who will rush to fill any perceived market needs.

Misinformation: You find your trusted sources. The government is not one of them, I assure you. I, for example, trust way more the "Non-GMO Project" or the "Berkeley Ecology Center" far more than I would trust any (former-lobbyist/government kleptocrat) FDA-crony. Both of these (and many other) non-governmental organizations would still exist without government and in fact would be able to do more without government limiting what they can study or not about the products they inspect.

Patents: No, nothing good will ever come out of patents. If you want I will point you to countless articles I've read which show this to be the case.

New Technology: You're discounting reverse engineering? Why? If what you claim was so, then innovators would not even bother to patent, because then they could keep the technology "secret" forever. Clearly this isn't so. But, they get patents because they know of reverse engineering and other ways that the technology would be copied if they don't get a patent. In fact, right now, they can keep it "secret" by not getting patent. For example, Coca Cola does not have a patent on its secret formula for that very reason. Look it up.

The marginal utility of R&D: This is the standard old argument for patents. But you can find creative ways to make the inventions pay off. Did the music industry disappear because of piracy? No, it is making record profits, actually! Some companies would not be as mega wealthy, perhaps. Bill Gates would still be mega rich, but maybe not as rich as he is now. But, here you are complaining about extreme "inequality" while supporting the very structures which generate it.

Ignorance may be bliss -- but thankfully, we don't all have to be as ignorant as the least informed among us.

direpickle said:

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