What we know so far….

The man who used an AR-15 to shoot up a Colorado gay nightclub killing 5 and injuring 25 is the grandson of a MAGA politician Randy Vogel who praised the January 6 insurrection.
We are also learning he had called in a bomb threat against his mother and had an armed standoff with police in 2021, and despite this violent history was still able to easily legally get an AR-15 thanks to Republicans opposing ANY Common sense gun regulations.
Sure sounds like another MAGA terrorist went on a murder spree….party of death, debauchery, and destruction. 🤦‍♂️

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Just saw your conversation with Newt about Phrasle. Just to say, I still play about 4-5 days a week too, and love the reward of learning about the phrase. Of course, it's up to you to say if the effort is worth it, but it's definitely appreciated.

Oops this turned into a semi rant. But I am legitimately open to discussion here, and am curious to get your thoughts on a few points Bob. That is, IF you're willing to actually think about them beyond the level of repeating talking points.

I find it interesting how divergent the two overall "sides" are in this country, in terms of where they focus. None of the issues brought up in this video are really on the radar of most progressives, beyond being aware some on the right are talking about them. And I'm guessing a lot of the concerns progressives discuss rarely come up in your chosen media landscape. A lot of the issues in the video are largely off of my radar, and I have to wonder how you feel they should be addressed - like, actual proposed solutions rather than just complaining about / worrying about them.

We only dedicate one day to remember our fallen soldiers

How many should there be? Arguably we have more than one already: there's Memorial Day and Veterans Day, and it seems that Sept 11th is often used for the purpose as well.

I'd argue we should spend more time acknowledging and understanding the principals behind WHY our soldiers died in the various conflicts which caused them to fall in the first place. Let's make sure our citizenry appreciates what we collectively rejected in the Revolutionary war. Why it was important that we kept the country together rather than allowing the south to split off in the mid-1800s. Why we chose to honor our diplomatic agreements and support our allies in WW1. Why we fought against the countries and governments we did in WW2. What our goals were in Korea and Vietnam, and what lessons we learned from those conflicts and from the Cold War in general. Commemorating and remembering those we've lost absolutely matters, but if we're ONLY doing that while forgetting why they fought OR ignoring what we learned then we're doing them an equal or greater disservice. Remember that America was built on the idea of forming "a more perfect union" - not a perfect one, a MORE perfect one - a work in progress. We're striving towards an ideal, not assuming we're already there. Learning from our past successes, failures, and our struggles around both outcomes is vital. If our self-analysis is no deeper than hero worship we'll never make real progress towards that theoretical perfect union.

The only mask that's gonna save us is duct tape on their mouths

Yeah, sound medical advice and evidence-based science is terrifying. Better to shut up those whose words we dislike, because we're reactionary authoritarian babymen. I truly do not understand being more afraid of reasonable safety measures than of a virus which has been shown to cause serious harm in the short and long terms. The only reason this "masks = liberal / maskless = conservative" crap came about is because politics has devolved to the level of team sports in the US, and one party has chosen "the opposite of whatever our political opponents say" as their entire governing philosophy. (And yes, ONE party - research and understand the GOP's 2020 platform if you want to argue the point.) This video even seems to reach a reasonable conclusion at the end, while coming up just short of that final logical leap to "maybe I should question what the public faces of MY side have been claiming in this Us vs Them madness." Seriously - keep going friend, you're almost there! George Washington was 100% right in wanting to avoid political parties being a force in the US, and it makes me immensely sad that his fears came true.

Big oil runs the world / the only wars to get fought are with the countries who have natural resources they want

Solid point here, no sarcasm. The US military has long been a tool of our profit-driven form of "free market" imperialism. A really great way to combat this, specifically with an eye to ending Big Oil's goddamn death grip on our foreign policy goals, would be an aggressive implementation of renewable energy projects. Remember the space race? America can be an absolute beast at clever engineering solutions when we dedicate ourselves to it. Fuck the petrostates, we have the available land and resources to absolutely kick ass in the realms of solar and wind power, and be leaders in the the post-hydrocarbon reality. We can certainly agree on that, right Bob? Left / Right nonsense fully aside, I think any reasonable American can agree on at least two points: let's stop sending heaps of cash to buy oil off of the Saudis (etc), and Fuck Cancer.

But if a white man acts too white he's white trash / he's a racist he's a bigot he's a monster

What the fuck is this horseshit? What does "acting too white" even fucking look like? Watching NASCAR on a sailboat while listening to polka? Typically when I see racism from white people it's in the form of denying that brown-hued people deal with any additional difficulties in life due to their skin tone, or denying that there have been structural obstacles for them through history, or lamenting that their white children are being burdened with a broader lens on culture or with (gasp! shock!) an accurate accounting of actual US history, including the ugly bits that we shouldn't be proud of (but MUST learn from). I'm progressive / lefty as fuck and there is no aspect of "white culture" or "acting white" which upsets me in the slightest. UNLESS one counts "denying racism exists / has ever existed" as a fundamental value of being white. Which... why would anyone want to claim that nonsense? If you want to listen to classic country music in a rusty pickup truck while driving to an evangelical church, then discuss hockey over Buds after 18 holes with the rest of your tractor pull team, then absolutely go nuts my fellow caucusoid! Just recognize and understand that your life experiences may not be the same as those of others. Further, if we care about trying to avoid unnecessary, avoidable unfairness in life (recognizing that life will never truly be fair, for anyone), then it might be reasonable for some governmental / legal / structural recognition in furtherance of that notion. There is absolutely room for legitimate policy disagreement here without being accused of racism. It's denial of others' reality which tends to garner the label of racist (sexist etc) - steer clear of denying the lived experiences of other people, allow for the possibility they may have encountered difficulties you haven't / won't, and we've room for further discussion.

Edit / final point: I voted the video back up to 0 from the -1 where I found it. Because while I disagree with a lot of the positions taken by the performer, they may have reached them through no fault of their own and with no true malice. Misinformation / disinformation is a devious shit of a motherfucker, and the rot it causes can run deep. It is painful to abandon deeply-held beliefs, on a fundamental level. If nothing else, the video gives us room to discuss some specific viewpoints held by people who think of themselves as good, but which can lead to harm.

Holy bat shit Robin,
They caught the bad guy who tried to murder Pelosi and her husband.

Big surprise, his Facebook posts look EXACTLY like the stupid debunked nonsense you post constantly. Election denial, covid denials, Jan 6 denials, accusations that the Jan 6 bipartisan committee is “one sided”, idiotic memes, random conspiracy theories, and videos of Chump and Mikepillow.

Possibly the headquarters burglary was a random break in by a moron too dumb to know there’s nothing to steal there and not politically motivated (but still political nonetheless), highly unlikely but possible, but the attempted assassination was definitely more MAGA terrorism from typical everyday magots just like you.

Party of (this time just attempted) death, destruction, and debauchery, with more examples every single day, fool.

I think the right has never learned this truism….
Friedrich Nietzsche - Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster. And if you gaze long enough into an abyss, the abyss will gaze back into you.

You created false monsters to fight, now you are monsters.
You created an abyss of fantasy conspiracy theories to cudgel the left with, and they became your belief system.

Have they learned nothing from this?

Yes, they are capable. Normal children anyway….you probably were not.

I do know better than to accept your ignorant, fear driven nonsense as anything more than the cowardly ignorant whining it is.
I’m a human being that was once a child. I was totally able to understand these topics without any issues by 8 years old if not earlier. My parents told me the truth, and didn’t hide things from me just because they were embarrassed or incapable of explaining them to me. Maybe you were just slow…..forget the maybe.
You still can’t get past your ignorance and hang ups about it as an adult, and are still incapable of a rational discussion because of your fear of the unknown.
You are still a child….a slow, learning deficient child.

Absolutely I’m a groomer. I groom myself daily…you disgusting slob. You probably think bathing is bad for you.

LMFAHS!!

Bipartisan hearing. Mostly Trump republicans testifying. All corroborated with indisputable evidence despite the ever increasing attempts at obstruction, the intentional destruction of evidence under subpoena, the number of officials pleading the fifth making them undeniably guilty in the court of public opinion and offering no defense in the court of law . That’s why you’re told “do not watch, it’s just a show, don’t, whatever you do, learn some facts about the attempted coup and fraud Trump and his administration was personally involved in planning and directing”.

Investigations are generally one sided, especially since the “other side” here is firm that there’s “no crime to investigate, it was a picnic and normal discourse, not a failed coup, not attempted election fraud on unheard of levels from within the government, Trump is perfect, investigation over”.
Do you think Capone was allowed to be part of the police force investigating him?
How about El Chapo…was he on his own investigatory committee? We’re the officials he was known to have paid off? 🤦‍♂️

Only no insurrectionist MAGAs because the accused doesn’t get to be part of the investigation, and the non complicit Republicans mostly refused to cross Trump with 2 notable exceptions….two life long multi generational actual Republicans, not the new anti America, anti democracy, anti sanity Q brand MAGAts.

Even intentionally ignorant, head in the sand idiots like you can see this simple fact.

There was no gun. The man says “I’m recording” and the twice fired for cause officer just opens fire in a blind rage.
On the stand the cop admitted hiding his previous police jobs to hide that he had been forced out of both for misconduct including “ fanning his gun over an officer’s head and lying to his chief.”. Seems he learned nothing.

Police charged the victims with felony assault by panic attack, he was acquitted after spending 42 days in jail over a cop’s mistakes, she was convicted of misdemeanor attempted resisting. They were first held for weeks without even a preliminary hearing required within 10 days of arrest by law.

It turned out the cop had no reason at all to stop the woman either, none whatsoever, and no reason to stop her at gunpoint either. He claimed a general warrant alert for a “blond woman” had been issued (WHAT!?!) but produced no such alert in court.
Also his official report on this incident bore no resemblance to the recorded video at all, from the direction he faced to what he saw and heard, and absolutely no mention of his panic attack and hospitalization.
Turns out this trigger happy, lying, wife abusing, adulterous, false report filing, testifying, twice fired cop is a “preacher”. Why am I not surprised?

Also turns out his department did not investigate this shooting incident.

https://www.knoxnews.com/story/news/crime/2018/01/17/sevier-deputy-panic-attack-case-forced-resign-prior-law-enforcement-job/1034932001/

Ok @bobknight33….what did the guy 20+ yards away just recording do to warrant getting shot at 7 times, felony arrested (so beaten up) and put in jail for 42 days?
How was he not complying?
How was he “fucking around with cops” because he definitely got shot at, so did the woman and emt he very nearly shot, (that cop has absolutely no shot control at all, fired for poor gun safety before) the two were falsely charged with felony assault against a police officer (her too), a false charge that carries a 15 year sentence.

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Poor are those who never learned to ride.

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Points for proving me wrong and teaching me something. Thanks….I mean it. Always happy to learn I was assuming something I thought I knew.

Not a single fake word written there, buddy. You can’t contradict one syllable of what I said, so as usual, like a baby, you just plug your ears, squeeze your eyes shut, and shout “no, no, no, no, no!”
Every word I wrote there was a direct quote from Trump. He spent years claiming that anyone who takes the fifth is absolutely, undeniably, and admittedly guilty. “only criminals invoke the fifth. The mafia invokes the fifth. The mob takes the fifth. If you’re innocent why are you taking the fifth? Taking the fifth, I think it’s disgraceful. It’s despicable people who invoke the fifth.” …all Trump’s public words.

Where do I find it? Mostly memory, but it’s verifiable everywhere. YouTube was a nice resource because they have the videos of him saying it, to be sure I quoted correctly. There’s no point in telling you how to do research, you won’t remember what I told you in 20 minutes anyway.

Yes. Your side DOES have a BS Q site, and toth Senchal, 4chan, and other insanity spreading sites….the left has nothing 1/10 that delusional. Your side also has a dozen separate terrorist wings, most white supremacist organizations just itching for a race war, all prepared to attack the American government violently. 🤦‍♂️

Tell me one thing I said that’s not a verifiable fact.

Checkout line magazine rack?! Don’t project, bob. It’s not a good look. Actually, it would be an improvement for you…you could learn a lot from bat boy, and the weekly world news never came up with anything 1/2 as stupid as the Q nonsense 1/2 of you believe….waiting for JFK jr to resurrect and lead the far right to victory!?! 😂

We’ve got “birds aren’t real” (a parody of Republican stupidity), you’ve got Italian Jewish space lasers changing votes from space for Biden, an actual serious public claim from an elected Republican who is still serving.

Edit: ROTFLMFAHS!! Manafort apparently just ADMITTED to Russian collusion while he was part of Trump’s campaign, admitting to being the one handing over Trump campaign data to Russian oligarchs…for money.
Rusher, Rusher, Rusher…now confirmed by the perpetrator, not a hoax!
Lock him up
Lock him up
Lock him up!