BTW- Trump’s closest advisors have testified that Trump, contrary to his claims, never told the rioters to leave or stay peaceful on Jan 6, Dan Scovino wrote the messages to “stay peaceful” and later “Go home. We love you. You’re very special.” while Trump wrote the incendiary comments like “Mike Pence didn’t have the courage to do what should have been done.”
Smith has all the meta data proving who wrote what and when and it’s horrific for Diaper Don.
So much for that part of his defense.
https://newrepublic.com/post/177917/trump-january-6-tweet-peaceful-protest-defense-didnt-write-it

Republicans committed a sex crime, then bragged about it. That’s what this video is about.

Also, this was barely news last summer. She was a candidate, not a representative Bobby.

Here’s some elected officials committing sex crimes since that interests you @bobknight33

251 Pennsylvania Republican State Sen. John Peterson, later elected to Congress - sexual harassment, grabbing a woman’s breast. See the screenshot
252 Neil Bush, the S&L grifter of the Bush family, sex tourism in Thailand and Hong Kong. We know what sex tourists are looking for in Thailand.

253 James Woods, actor and right-wing provocateur, was accused by Amber Tamblyn of trying to pick her up when she was underage. Since then many other women have come forward

254 Ted Nugent, alleged musician and right-wing provocateur who joked about assassinating Obama, beloved friend of moralist Huckabee - sex with underage girls

255 Gregory Nathan Peterson, Utah Republican fundraiser charged with 21 charges of rape, forcible sexual abuse and battery, two charges of aggravated kidnapping, one charge of assault and one charge of felony burglary. Committed suicide while on bail.

256 NH GOP Representative Robert Fisher created The Red Pill Reddit site which is known for its tips on how to get away with rape, etc.

257 Union County GA GOP Chairman - attempted rape and it was broadcast on internet

258 WI GOP Rep. Roger Rivard on the list for excusing and enabling rape by saying “some girls rape easy.”

259 NJ GOP candidate for town council Mike Krawitz had to resign after threatening, wishing reporter would be raped.

260 Rory A. Koch, committee administrator for the Minnesota House Republicans, child pornography

261 Former GOP Walton Co. Commissioner Lane Rees - child pornography

262 James "Dub" Maines, formerly GOP Rep. Joe Barton's deputy district director - child pornography

263 Joseph Hayon, Midwood Republican Who Ran On Family Values Platform, Confesses To Viewing Child Pornography

264 Charlotte Tea Party leader - child porn and had the nerve to claim it was how he self-medicated for an autistic disorder and depression from a failed relationship

265 Southern Baptist Convention leader and Trump religion advisor Frank Page resigns over moral failings

266 Far right religious leader Mark Aderholt - sex with underage girls, sexual assault. Church organization knew and ignored it.

267 Former Judge, Baptist Leader, Republican Paul Pressler - sexual abuse/assault underage men.

268 Larry Weinstein, Northampton Township Supervisor and former campaign manager for GOP Rep. Scott Petri and his girlfriend charged with indecently assaulting unconscious woman

269 GOP Commissioner John Butler and his wife sexually abused his underage niece. He was pardoned by Gov. Jack Ryan.

270 Anti-Choice Congressman Tim Murphy forced to resign for hostile work environment/harassment and asked his lover to have an abortion.

271 GOP Commissioner Jack Gardner of Millersville, PA was convicted of molesting a 13-year-old girl, pled guilty. 30 years later he’s on the City Commission. See the screenshot, story is in NewsBank.


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272 Lincoln County GOP commissioner and town clerk Merril Robert Barter of Boothbay Harbor - molesting an underage boy while at the State Republican Convention.

273 Michigan GOP Gubernatorial Candidate Bill Schuette. This is what he does on camera! OMG, what does he do when no one is looking?

274 Broward Co Florida GOP Party Secretary Rupert Tarsey attacked a woman, a classmate, with a hammer & they did not force him out of office

275 Republican congressional candidate Denver Riggleman stepped in on Monday to claim that rape and sexual assault can be prevented by “educating females.” Not women, females. Female does not mean human, there are female animals/insects.

And because I’ve been slacking….
251 Pennsylvania Republican State Sen. John Peterson, later elected to Congress - sexual harassment, grabbing a woman’s breast. See the screenshot
252 Neil Bush, the S&L grifter of the Bush family, sex tourism in Thailand and Hong Kong. We know what sex tourists are looking for in Thailand.

253 James Woods, actor and right-wing provocateur, was accused by Amber Tamblyn of trying to pick her up when she was underage. Since then many other women have come forward

254 Ted Nugent, alleged musician and right-wing provocateur who joked about assassinating Obama, beloved friend of moralist Huckabee - sex with underage girls

255 Gregory Nathan Peterson, Utah Republican fundraiser charged with 21 charges of rape, forcible sexual abuse and battery, two charges of aggravated kidnapping, one charge of assault and one charge of felony burglary. Committed suicide while on bail.

256 NH GOP Representative Robert Fisher created The Red Pill Reddit site which is known for its tips on how to get away with rape, etc.

257 Union County GA GOP Chairman - attempted rape and it was broadcast on internet

258 WI GOP Rep. Roger Rivard on the list for excusing and enabling rape by saying “some girls rape easy.”

259 NJ GOP candidate for town council Mike Krawitz had to resign after threatening, wishing reporter would be raped.

260 Rory A. Koch, committee administrator for the Minnesota House Republicans, child pornography

261 Former GOP Walton Co. Commissioner Lane Rees - child pornography

262 James "Dub" Maines, formerly GOP Rep. Joe Barton's deputy district director - child pornography

263 Joseph Hayon, Midwood Republican Who Ran On Family Values Platform, Confesses To Viewing Child Pornography

264 Charlotte Tea Party leader - child porn and had the nerve to claim it was how he self-medicated for an autistic disorder and depression from a failed relationship

265 Southern Baptist Convention leader and Trump religion advisor Frank Page resigns over moral failings

266 Far right religious leader Mark Aderholt - sex with underage girls, sexual assault. Church organization knew and ignored it.

267 Former Judge, Baptist Leader, Republican Paul Pressler - sexual abuse/assault underage men.

268 Larry Weinstein, Northampton Township Supervisor and former campaign manager for GOP Rep. Scott Petri and his girlfriend charged with indecently assaulting unconscious woman

269 GOP Commissioner John Butler and his wife sexually abused his underage niece. He was pardoned by Gov. Jack Ryan.

270 Anti-Choice Congressman Tim Murphy forced to resign for hostile work environment/harassment and asked his lover to have an abortion.

271 GOP Commissioner Jack Gardner of Millersville, PA was convicted of molesting a 13-year-old girl, pled guilty. 30 years later he’s on the City Commission. See the screenshot, story is in NewsBank.


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272 Lincoln County GOP commissioner and town clerk Merril Robert Barter of Boothbay Harbor - molesting an underage boy while at the State Republican Convention.

273 Michigan GOP Gubernatorial Candidate Bill Schuette. This is what he does on camera! OMG, what does he do when no one is looking?

274 Broward Co Florida GOP Party Secretary Rupert Tarsey attacked a woman, a classmate, with a hammer & they did not force him out of office

275 Republican congressional candidate Denver Riggleman stepped in on Monday to claim that rape and sexual assault can be prevented by “educating females.” Not women, females. Female does not mean human, there are female animals/insects.


I’ve got 38 more pages of criminal Republican representative who are convicted sexual abusers of children to share, including your rapist of a disgraced ex president…with more being added every day. You struggle to find one Democrat.

My first memory is actually from around 18-20 months old, I crayoned on my grandmothers new fancy wallpaper and she spanked the shit out of me. It made an impression.
My next memory was just a few months later when I crawled out on the beams about 25-30 ft up over our unfinished atrium while our house was being built. My mom caught me out there and had to pretend everything was fine to coax me back.
By 3.5 years old I had plenty of memories of wrong stuff I had done and near death experiences.

Another case of PROVEN brazen and systematic voter fraud on the part of a self-proclaimed Christian Republican. This time, Kim Taylor, the wife of elected Republican Jeremy Taylor, was just FOUND GUILTY on 52 separate counts related to a scheme to stuff ballot boxes in her husband's race for Congress.
She collected ballots from Vietnamese people who didn’t speak English, filled them out for her husband herself no matter who they wanted to vote for, and stuffed them in ballot boxes. She also illegally filled out voter registration for their children with her address and outright stole their ballots and voted using them, which ended up keeping those children from getting to vote when they tried!
He still came in third.


Not alleged cheating, She’s been CONVICTED of 52 counts, her husband is a non indicted co conspirator. She harvested ballots from non English speaking Vietnamese people (she’s Vietnamese) and filled them out for her husband no matter who they wanted, and she stole voter registration cards for their children, filled them out with her address, stole their ballots and voted for her husband (and other Republicans), and she then submitted all these fraudulent ballots, which ended up keeping the children from voting when they tried in person.

Despite the 2020 cheating scandal AND still losing that election, he was later elected as a county Supervisor in Iowa…because the right doesn’t care about election integrity or the law one whit.

Republicans can’t win even when they blatantly cheat.

Jesus Christ….Habba just introduced evidence that Trump claimed for valuation purposes that Trump tower is 72 stories, it’s 63.
Then she introduced evidence that Trump claimed Las Vegas Trump International Hotel in Las Vegas is 64 stories, its 56, the floors jump from 8 to floor 16 in one floor.
This is evidence his own lawyers supplied PROVING major intentional fraud. True, he’s already convicted of these and hundreds of other financial frauds, but it’s still just plain stupid to rub it in the trial judges face before he determines the punishment. WTF!?!
Trump is trying for a not guilty by insanity defense, Haba is going for an ineffectual council defense. 😂

Comer’s fraudulent impeachment inquiry uncovered his own land swap/shell company dealings with his own brother that are eerily similar to those he says are proof of Biden influence peddling, with the main difference being Biden loaned his brother $200k and got back $200k but in Comer’s convoluted back and forth land swapping with his brother tens of thousands of dollars just appear in the accounts with no way to account for it and they also never paid taxes on it while Biden’s brother can account for where every penny came from and has and neither Biden made a dime from it.

Bonus- 😂 Trump Media (Toth Senchal) has lost near $60 million in “value”, making it now worth $5-$25 million. Digital World Acquisition’s mission statement says they are looking for a company to invest in worth $500 million - $2 billion…which when they said it is what they assumed Trump media would be worth when shareholders bought in. Wow, is it a good thing for the investors that both companies colluded illegally to create this deal using falsified values, because they would have paid Trump $2 billion for his company that less than a year later is worth $5 million ACCORDING TO TRUMP HIMSELF.
Sounds like the buyout is off, Trump’s company doesn’t come close to meeting the requirements.
What an amazing businessman, took a guaranteed $2 billion payout and turned it into a shrinking $5 million joke because he just couldn’t help but break any financial/business law he sees.

“ It’s your insistence that Jewish people, and the existence of Israel, have always fundamentally been invaders that I was objecting to as it is so intensely at odds with factual history.”
No…it is at odds with your position and is not what I said.
It is factual history that fighting age European Jews came armed and forcibly displaced the natives after being offered sanctuary for their most needy. It is not factual that I claimed it was ever thus. That is clearly not what I said, I said for 10+- years they were getting along as refugees, then started coming in HUGE numbers illegally and taking over.

Those are facts.

I also mentioned a native Jewish population that were not refugees or invaders. Some of them supported the invading Zionists, some didn’t. I’ve never heard of one who opposed them.

“ You gave a brief nod on not being a scholar of Palestinian history, but then proceed to just count all Jewish refugees as good as Zionist aggressors from day 1(or close enough), and the local Arab population as nothing but pure, kind caring victims of these invaders.”

Not even close to true, I said many stood behind the Zionists when they started coming en masse, and didn’t say but seemingly few to none of the native Jews opposed them. I also was clear that at the beginning the refugees acted like refugees, not invaders….I mistakenly gave them more time being grateful than you say they were, according to you Palestinians position is they began the invasion in the 20’s….and theirs is the opinion I care about. I never claimed ALL Arabs were welcoming, but the “nation” as a whole (despite being not self ruling at the time) welcomed a huge number of refugees considering their own population. Way more than elsewhere.

Edit: Britain, who facilitated this invasion, only took in 80000 European Jews in the decade before and during the war, and they were only given transit visas to stay temporarily until they found other accommodations. All of England took in fewer Jewish refugees in all pre war history than Palestine did….England took in 80000, most on temporary visas, Palestine took in 60000 permanently in 1935 alone, and 130000 in 33-36.
Pre-immigration Palestine had about 700000 people. In 1944 European Jews ignored the 1500 visa limit per year and came by the hundred of thousands per year after already completely overwhelming the native population.
Palestine was forcibly invaded by a foreign population exponentially bigger than the native population while Britain kept them too weak to oppose it physically.
That’s an invasion…not on day 1. 🤦‍♂️

“ without being able to writeoff Israel as invaders from day 1, nuance enters the calculus and suddenly the conflict is flooded with shades of grey ”

Again, I said day 3, not day 1, and went on to say that meant 10 years later. Get off your high horse and READ buddy.

I guess I’ll stop here. If you aren’t going to read what I wrote and insist on arguing red herrings you made up yourself, you can do that alone.

Nothing you’ve said changes or excuses the fact that masses of armed violent invaders came to take the land from the natives by force and were successful. The exact date this happened is not only y highly subjective, it’s completely besides the point.
Nothing you’ve said changes or excuses the inhuman treatment they’ve subjected the innocent native civilian population to for 70 years…but you’ve tried.
Nothing you’ve said changes or excuses the intentional targeting of trapped civilians by the military….serious war crimes Israel commits daily.
Nothing you’ve said even hints that you consider Palestinians worthy of consideration themselves, possibly not even human status, definitely not peaceful existence.

Bye

Ooooh….Trump on the stand was a disaster.
Couldn’t speak up. Couldn’t answer questions. Couldn’t stay on topic so badly the judge repeatedly told him to stop telling stories and answer the questions. He shot back with “why, you’re just going to rule against me anyway.”…a self fulfilling prophecy if I’ve ever heard one.

When he did answer, his answers were insanity like “banks don’t care about financial statements, I know, I’ve been doing this a long time.” Not a good idea to remind the judge that there are hundreds more instances of major fraud you aren’t being prosecuted for because of the statute of limitations.

Turns out banks DO care, and will be suing for the $180 million he cheated them out of in interest by lying about his collateral, plus interest and penalties…assuming he isn’t stripped of every dime by New York State first by disgorgement….which is taking back ill gotten gains.

Also nonsensical shit like “I could have added my brand value and immediately made those properties worth 10 to 100 times as much” forgetting that not only had they doubled the value or more for his “brand value” but again for “presidential value”.

And “they undervalued my properties here by 1000 times!” forgetting that not only was the $18-24 million appraised value agreed on and signed off by Trump, he actually went to court to get it lowered claiming Maralago WASN’T worth +-$20 million it was worth far LESS. Now he’s in court telling everyone that was another pure tax fraud lie he told in Florida to cheat Florida out of tens of millions in property taxes…if Maralago is really worth billions, not $18 million he claims for taxes, that means Trump owes evaded property taxes on $982000000, over $10 million per year for as long as he’s owned it….plus penalties and interest. That’s his DEFENSE! 🤦‍♂️ 😂

Most of his testimony was stricken as rambling and non responsive.

He was nearly thrown out of court for his out of control behavior. He acted like a spoiled three year old. Don’t be surprised if there’s a major contempt charge this afternoon….possibly remand.

Edit: Also don’t be surprised if he’s just dismissed from the stand, has his testimony stricken completely, and as the judge has warned the judge takes every negative inference possible, assuming every answer he would have given was the worst possible answer for Trump. That seems to be Trumps plan…attempt anything to later make the argument at appeal that the judge was biased and didn’t give Trump a fair trial…but the record proves otherwise and appeals courts read the record. That ploy won’t work…Trump’s lawyers are awful. It’s never a good strategy to try to lose as big as possible in court.

Now, keep in mind, this is just New York, where he’s already been found guilty and they’re just determining the punishment….other states he’s done fraudulent business in are undoubtedly watching closely to see if they should file next.

I love it when a plan comes together.

Gym Jordan and MAGA failed a third time to elect a speaker. Gym lost the first, second, and third vote to Hakeem Jeffries. Every vote he lost worse.

MORE evidence that MAGA cannot even work with itself, much less others. You people are just fucking children….and you ARE children.

Good job at being a total laughing stock. If it didn’t paralyze our government, it would be hilarious, instead it’s horrifically bad for our economy, international standing, our allies, and our future.

Oh shit….Judge Engoron is prepared to put Trump in prison for intentionally not complying with the gag order by not removing the post accusing his clerk of having an affair with Chuck Schumer from his campaign website. Ruling later today….gonna be great. Bye Donny.

To get the full effect of the videos, try punching yourself, poking your eye or touch a hot stove. You'll thank me later. Throwing yourself down a flight of steps is not necessary if you're the shy type.

Once again,
Trump's legal team told a judge in Colorado last week that he had no "duty" as president to actually honor the Constitution. (Not sure what he thinks “preserve and protect” means).
This argument is his defense in Colorado. Not that he didn’t engage in an insurrection, but that the 14th amendment doesn’t apply to the president.

I guess it’s game on for Biden who cannot be removed by any means now, and has carte Blanche to try a coup or just end elections outright because the constitution doesn’t regulate what the president does. 🤦‍♂️

This is you guy…this you pick. 😂

BTW- these facts are from every single reputable news outlet, so not righty media, and are in fact what he filed in Colorado court as his defense to being removed from the ballot for participating in an insurrection.

https://lawandcrime.com/trump/trump-claims-the-insurrection-clause-does-not-apply-to-the-president-or-prohibit-someone-from-running-for-office/

https://apnews.com/article/trump-insurrection-14th-amendment-ballot-colorado-c699e7c00687be6bc4bedbaf4182e451

https://ca.finance.yahoo.com/news/trump-tells-court-had-no-220216709.html

He also claimed absolute immunity for fomenting a coup because stealing the election was part of his official duty as the ex-president… https://newrepublic.com/article/176052/trump-jan-6-absolute-immunity-argument-even-worse-looks

PS- I’m still waiting, now 7 years later, for what the charges against Clinton are going to be and when will they be filed. You insisted repeatedly after the election when Republicans held the house, senate, Supreme Court, and presidency that charges and prison would come amazingly soon….still waiting. Still no answer 7 years later. It couldn’t be that you just spout wishful nonsense and insist it’s reality, could it? 😂

Bear in mind that you can't really compare it to the next generation like Nightmare on Elm St, Poltergeist etc. since they're already moving away from the straight-up slasher - more complex plots, adding mainstream elements like humour, and far bigger budgets.

The comparison to Halloween is reasonable since it really was a Halloween wannabe, but it's a bit like saying you're not as smart as Einstein.

Now, if you really want to diss the film, compare it to Evil Dead which came out only a year later on a smaller budget.

My mother was afraid of any animal with teeth. So we never had a pet as kids.

Later in life I took a job traveling to malls with pet stores around the country taking portrait photos of pets, mostly cats and dogs. Out of the ordinary I photographed a Goldfish, a three month old cougar, two snakes, a sheep and a mouse.

I had only got one animal that tried to attack me. A guy in jumpsuit brought his medium but very muscular and VERY hyper pitbull. It wasn't big but it looked dangerous. I got the owner to sit him on the floor and stay after a few tries.

I got only one shot. Normally I would take about eight shots in different positions. When I triggered the camera the three flash units startled the dog and he went right for me. Luckley the owner was ready for it and quickly grabbed the dogs' collar and stopped him just in time.

At the end of the shoot the only poop I had to clean up was my own and unlike my mother I only fear muscular pitbulls.

You don’t know right from wrong…you still worship a treasonous rapist thief and con man who stole from disabled vets and America and you see nothing wrong with him.

Cons are upset at sex education because it makes sexually abusing children much more difficult. Boebert tried to teach children about sex by performing public sex acts while at a play designed and marketed for children…not for the first time. This is the only sex education Cons support…you want the kids too weak and ignorant to possibly stand up when your people rape them, not understanding what sex abuse is makes it much easier for you to get away with it.

251 Pennsylvania Republican State Sen. John Peterson, later elected to Congress - sexual harassment, grabbing a woman’s breast. See the screenshot
252 Neil Bush, the S&L grifter of the Bush family, sex tourism in Thailand and Hong Kong. We know what sex tourists are looking for in Thailand.

253 James Woods, actor and right-wing provocateur, was accused by Amber Tamblyn of trying to pick her up when she was underage. Since then many other women have come forward

254 Ted Nugent, alleged musician and right-wing provocateur who joked about assassinating Obama, beloved friend of moralist Huckabee - sex with underage girls

255 Gregory Nathan Peterson, Utah Republican fundraiser charged with 21 charges of rape, forcible sexual abuse and battery, two charges of aggravated kidnapping, one charge of assault and one charge of felony burglary. Committed suicide while on bail.

256 NH GOP Representative Robert Fisher created The Red Pill Reddit site which is known for its tips on how to get away with rape, etc.

257 Union County GA GOP Chairman - attempted rape and it was broadcast on internet

258 WI GOP Rep. Roger Rivard on the list for excusing and enabling rape by saying “some girls rape easy.”

259 NJ GOP candidate for town council Mike Krawitz had to resign after threatening, wishing reporter would be raped.

260 Rory A. Koch, committee administrator for the Minnesota House Republicans, child pornography

261 Former GOP Walton Co. Commissioner Lane Rees - child pornography

262 James "Dub" Maines, formerly GOP Rep. Joe Barton's deputy district director - child pornography

263 Joseph Hayon, Midwood Republican Who Ran On Family Values Platform, Confesses To Viewing Child Pornography

264 Charlotte Tea Party leader - child porn and had the nerve to claim it was how he self-medicated for an autistic disorder and depression from a failed relationship

265 Southern Baptist Convention leader and Trump religion advisor Frank Page resigns over moral failings

266 Far right religious leader Mark Aderholt - sex with underage girls, sexual assault. Church organization knew and ignored it.

267 Former Judge, Baptist Leader, Republican Paul Pressler - sexual abuse/assault underage men.

268 Larry Weinstein, Northampton Township Supervisor and former campaign manager for GOP Rep. Scott Petri and his girlfriend charged with indecently assaulting unconscious woman

269 GOP Commissioner John Butler and his wife sexually abused his underage niece. He was pardoned by Gov. Jack Ryan.

270 Anti-Choice Congressman Tim Murphy forced to resign for hostile work environment/harassment and asked his lover to have an abortion.

271 GOP Commissioner Jack Gardner of Millersville, PA was convicted of molesting a 13-year-old girl, pled guilty. 30 years later he’s on the City Commission. See the screenshot, story is in NewsBank.


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272 Lincoln County GOP commissioner and town clerk Merril Robert Barter of Boothbay Harbor - molesting an underage boy while at the State Republican Convention.

273 Michigan GOP Gubernatorial Candidate Bill Schuette. This is what he does on camera! OMG, what does he do when no one is looking?

274 Broward Co Florida GOP Party Secretary Rupert Tarsey attacked a woman, a classmate, with a hammer & they did not force him out of office

275 Republican congressional candidate Denver Riggleman stepped in on Monday to claim that rape and sexual assault can be prevented by “educating females.” Not women, females. Female does not mean human, there are female animals/insects.

Nobody got “smoked”, there were no injuries at all. Why the lie, @bobknight33? Why must you ALWAYS lie?

Curious why this 34 year old story is suddenly everywhere on right wing media and websites…and why they aren’t mentioning how it’s evolved over the years.
Is it an effort to poeticize a vigilante group as an example? They didn’t call police in the day long buildup to the shootout, nor immediately when it started, and they intentionally antagonized and threatened the neighbors they accused (without proof) of being gang members and shot up their house.

In 89 “lying in wait” was a death penalty offense in California…I guess not even a crime in Washington? They admitted they did exactly that.

Foulk said to 48 Hours in 1990 that he had told the Rangers to avoid hitting anyone and they followed instructions, not hitting anyone. In 2009, Foulk said to The News Tribune that one Ranger had in fact winged someone who charged the house. In 2022, he said to Fox 13 Seattle that the Rangers shot multiple people (no one ever went to any hospital with a gunshot). The story keeps growing every time he tells it.

Two men fitting descriptions given by the rangers were arrested on outstanding warrants and one later charged in connection to the shooting, and he received only one conviction, and only of second-degree assault. Neither lived across the street at the house the rangers shot to hell.
Many of the rangers lost their guns and Foulk says he was denied promotion as a result of the publicity caused by the shootout and that other Rangers were forbidden from visiting his home.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ash_Street_shootout

Downvoting this apparent attempt to glamorize what was a clear vigilante group that should have had much worse consequences than losing their guns and promotions.