That actually happened to me once. When I was a kid, we used to burn trash in a barrel in our back yard which bordered this huge field. One day, unbeknownst to me, someone had thrown a can of hairspray in the trash and while I was emptying the trash in the already burning barrel, BOOM! It exploded, I ended up on the ground and when I got up and turned around, the whole freakin' field was on fire. Even though the firemen found the exploded can of hairspray, everybody still blames me for it...

DUDE I wanna become a fireman just so I can do THISFrom personal experience trust me you dont get to do this unless you are in a super metropolis town/city

Seattle big enough?

Actually, it looks to me like training for the Volunteer Fireman's Field Days we used to have in Northern New York. They had souped-up cars with a small fire truck body and held competitions in hose-laying and charging, ladder work, etc. Small town departments with only volunteer firemen found this quite a useful way to stay sharp, and the people enjoyed watching it. Win-win.

"Fireman remind" => "Firemen remind" || "Fireman reminds"

Supposedly these are *french firemen.

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Firemen = real life superheros

Dont you mean "FUCK THESE STATIST BASTARDS!!!"

Oh wait they must be privately owned/funded firemen.]

@blankfist you lack the courage for your convictions

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>> ^NetRunner:

>> ^burdturgler:
BTW, pass my congrats on to your banking colleagues for the bang-up job they're doing with security. Thank God there are professionals on the scene to ensure that no one ever gets their private banking information compromised. Whew. What a relief
Banks would completely not give a fuck about safeguarding anyone's personal information if it weren't for government regulations forcing them to. And I can report firsthand that the way management looks on it is something to be done as cheaply and incompletely as the law will allow.
Safeguards against things that could actually result in someone being able to commit fraud or otherwise steal money are in a completely different category, and the object of many millions of dollars worth of security.
>> ^burdturgler:
Odds of a fireman robbing my business with an axe .. zero.
Odds of my business being robbed by someone when my key is available .. greater than zero.
Of course, most crooks would sign out for keys before robbing someone, so you have a good point with the whole paper trail thing.
All jokes aside .. I do love you! .. lol I wonder if I'm slipping to the darkside tbh.

Why do you think the odds of a fireman robbing your business with an axe (or more probably, one of their battering-rams designed for forcibly opening locked doors) is zero? Trust in the fire department? False belief that your door is impervious to such techniques?
The point of the safeguard I mentioned is to make sure that if keys go missing, it's known about immediately. Plus it's a ritual that reinforces the importance of keeping that key secure. Picking supervisors as the only people authorized people who gets them protects against people getting a job at the fire department just to get access to the keys. Putting them in a safe makes sure only the authorized firemen ever have physical access to them.
Is it perfect? No. Better than hanging them on the wall in the firehouse? Absolutely.
Bank security is full of that kind of shit. Logs, log review, tracking, authentication, access control, access review, checks and balances on access reviewers, background checks, etc. Banks do physical security really well, and electronic security about as well as a big organization can, at least when it comes to protecting us against electronic theft that might hurt our bottom line...
But I wouldn't be at all surprised if the Fire Department has keys into our offices and server rooms. But then that's definitely true at the Nationwide Insurance buildings downtown where I used to work years ago.
Oh, and I love you too. You've just been sounding like some sort of libertarian lately though, with the "the government is wants to take my keys so they can commit unspeakable evil with them" thing here and "amorally maximizing profit is the only way anything is ever going to work, so stop asking our Galtian overlords to behave ethically" in the other.
Kinda scary!


I was taught by Yoda (schmawy) to never let an argument from one post bleed into another.

So .. Why do I think the odds of a fireman robbing my business with an axe is zero? Risk of detection. During the crime. Yes, whoever compromises the lockbox may be detected after the crime, but by then my shit is already stolen.

You know, police have similar methods with weapons, maintaining inventory and control over ammunition and firearms, making authorized personnel sign out for things .. yet innocent people still get shot. Nothing helps much after the crime is committed.

Besides all that, it's my place. Seriously, do I not have the right to decide who I give the keys to my property? You're literally saying it's OK to rip my keys out of my hand because that's what's in the greater good. I just think, fuck that. It's my place. Use "one of their battering-rams designed for forcibly opening locked doors". Also, banks do physical security for shit as well. Banks get physically robbed easily and fairly often. Seems like I hear way more about bank robberies than I do about 'thwarted' bank robberies anyway.

Maybe that's just cable "news" though (sorry schmawy)

>> ^burdturgler:

BTW, pass my congrats on to your banking colleagues for the bang-up job they're doing with security. Thank God there are professionals on the scene to ensure that no one ever gets their private banking information compromised. Whew. What a relief

Banks would completely not give a fuck about safeguarding anyone's personal information if it weren't for government regulations forcing them to. And I can report firsthand that the way management looks on it is something to be done as cheaply and incompletely as the law will allow.

Safeguards against things that could actually result in someone being able to commit fraud or otherwise steal money are in a completely different category, and the object of many millions of dollars worth of security.

>> ^burdturgler:
Odds of a fireman robbing my business with an axe .. zero.
Odds of my business being robbed by someone when my key is available .. greater than zero.
Of course, most crooks would sign out for keys before robbing someone, so you have a good point with the whole paper trail thing.
All jokes aside .. I do love you! .. lol I wonder if I'm slipping to the darkside tbh.


Why do you think the odds of a fireman robbing your business with an axe (or more probably, one of their battering-rams designed for forcibly opening locked doors) is zero? Trust in the fire department? False belief that your door is impervious to such techniques?

The point of the safeguard I mentioned is to make sure that if keys go missing, it's known about immediately. Plus it's a ritual that reinforces the importance of keeping that key secure. Picking supervisors as the only people authorized people who gets them protects against people getting a job at the fire department just to get access to the keys. Putting them in a safe makes sure only the authorized firemen ever have physical access to them.

Is it perfect? No. Better than hanging them on the wall in the firehouse? Absolutely.

Bank security is full of that kind of shit. Logs, log review, tracking, authentication, access control, access review, checks and balances on access reviewers, background checks, etc. Banks do physical security really well, and electronic security about as well as a big organization can, at least when it comes to protecting us against electronic theft that might hurt our bottom line...

But I wouldn't be at all surprised if the Fire Department has keys into our offices and server rooms. But then that's definitely true at the Nationwide Insurance buildings downtown where I used to work years ago.

Oh, and I love you too. You've just been sounding like some sort of libertarian lately though, with the "the government is wants to take my keys so they can commit unspeakable evil with them" thing here and "amorally maximizing profit is the only way anything is ever going to work, so stop asking our Galtian overlords to behave ethically" in the other.

Kinda scary!

>> ^burdturgler:

It's the net result.
The bottom line is, at the end of this "meeting" a vote was cast and the people of Cedar Falls were then obligated by law to turn over the keys to their private property, whether they wanted to or not. I don't think there's anything dishonest about the way the video portrays those facts. They are the facts.

Well, let's start with that. What we're talking about is giving firemen a way to access locked areas in case of a fire, you know, so they can put it out, or possibly save a life.

It's not applicable to people's houses, it's apartment buildings (i.e. the residents don't own the property), and businesses (where no one lives).

The particular method involves a process where the keys are placed in some sort of secured lockbox on the exterior of the building, to which the fire department gets a key.

Using that key to enter your home when there isn't a fire is still a crime.

>> ^burdturgler:

Safeguards? Who gives a shit? I don't want you to have a key to my house, my apartment, my business .. they are still mine aren't they? It is my property? I can still decide who I will allow to have a key to the place?

Well they still have the legal authority to smash your door down now. Keys just save them time, result in less destroyed property, and I suspect firefighters may also want to keep the doors intact so they can be used to control the airflow in & out of a building with them.

I'm just fishing for someone to explain what the actual harm is here.

If you think the fire department would start randomly invading people's homes, I think you've lost your mind.

If you think this weakens the physical security of your residence generally (e.g. what if someone steals the fire department's key?), then I think that's a legitimate concern, but one that could be addressed by adding more safeguards.

I also think there's something of an argument to be made about privacy concerns, but those apply just as equally to the landlord having a key to your apartment as it does to the fire department.

There's also something to a line of reasoning questioning the necessity of this, but I guess I instinctively understand why they're doing it -- to protect property and lives.

Mostly I just see people having knee jerk reactions to this that don't make sense to me.

Give me a break QM. This is exactly what is wrong with America, your moral compass is all screwed up. It's not ok to have a (non)affair and one should resign for doing so but Palin who is almost too stupid to insult can be President of the United States?

I would argue the greater immorality is to support someone who is clearly too inept and out of their depth to hold the highest office in the country over someone who has the intellect and critical thought process to be a Congressman but sends some 'dirty' pictures/messages to someone.

Hell i'd take the intellectual and critical thinking Congressman even if he banged a few of these girls over a clearly inept but morally sound (and i'm not even saying Palin is morally sound) person when it comes to running the country. Everyone makes mistakes, we're humans and not infallible. I don't believe you can just someone on one mistake, no matter how stupid.

JFK and Clinton demonstrated that nailing a few women out of wedlock doesn't mean you're not capable of holding office. What he does in his private life is his business - Wiener made the mistake of flashing his on twitter. If he'd kept private between consenting adults who are we to call for his head???

Firemen and policemen don't lose their job for having an affair and they serve in a public position and are probably bigger role models than politicians.

If one can competently complete their job whilst banging hookers then what's the issue?

tactic: reduce the budget of a social service, restrict them with ridiculous regulations... wait for the service to flounder... use that as a reason to privatize it.... watch the revenue for that service increase, while the level/quality of service remains the same or worse



its easy to want to blame the firefighters/police there... but two things are probably preventing them... not having the proper equipment combined with the fact that perhaps this person is looking to/will inadvertantly take someone with him... 2 reprisal from doing their job outide of the guidelinse set for them... ie suspension or most likely termination

in a society where everyone is actually doing well economically, and not under a state of constant fear, it would be ALOT easier for morality to win out in this situation... but when you have to risk your job, to do your job which risks the security of say... your family... its not easy

the sad thing is, ANY inquiry into this matter will stop at the police/firemen involved... and not look at the environment/atmosphere/mentality involved here