The final five seconds each were YUGE.

@kevingrr

Finally! Five years and you finally post... and immediately sift.

You know the sift well, don't you?

Welcome!

Starbuck is an angel. She has been, perceivably, since the very beginning of the show. We cant really know for sure, wether it was real kara up to the eye of juptier, and then an angel, or if it was angel kara all along. Most theories ive read, see Kara as being the one true angel since day dot.

Hera was the best DNA of the last of the colonial technological genus. She represented everything that was good in both the colonials, and the skin-job's (who were ultimately a re-creation of the final 5's race of cylons).

Her role in the film was to impart these beneficial traits onto the rest of humanity on earth, in the hopes that they can break the cycle of humans and non-humans going to war with one another every few thousand years. Instead of just telling humanity to stop building machines of war, without regard to safeguards, and hoping for the best....change humanity, attack the root of the problem. Thus, Hera.

Angels don't always have to be pure and good

The other skinjobs didn't get resurrection, as Tyrol killed Tory, which prevented Anders from unifying the 5 minds of the final 5 to regain the knowledge of resurrection. Presumably a large chunk of the skin jobs died in the last moments of the colony fight (the Cavil's side certainly was wiped out, as his entire fleet was parked at the colony, and the nuclear missiles from the dead raptor pushed its orbit into the event horizon shortly after galactica jumped to earth.)

All along the watchtower wasn't anything meaningful other than as a method for starbuck to plot the correct jump cords. That it was a well known song has no bearing on the storyline at all, just a cool song.

Well, Homo Sapiens should evolve on any planet that's very similar to earth, so its not that much of a shock.

Starbucks rotting viper/corpse may of been an event to trigger her into finding the way back to earth...the REAL earth, and not the final-five's home planet. Either way, the last Starbuck we all saw, post-juptier, was an angel.

Hilarious article concerning the BSG finale from the Onion:
http://www.theonion.com/content/news/obama_depressed_distant_since?utm_source=a-section

"I'm a little concerned," first lady Michelle Obama was overheard saying at a fundraising event Tuesday. "When Firefly was canceled, he walked around like a zombie for a week, and Serenity was the only thing that snapped him out of it. Last night he said he felt like he had just discovered David Axelrod was one of the Final Five, whatever that means."

"When we spoke last month, he said season three was his least favorite because some of the episodes with Helo and the Sagittarons—and pretty much anything that involved Cally—were boring and didn't advance the plot," Afghan president Hamid Karzai said. "But I told him that when you watch it all on DVD, and you don't have to wait a whole week for a new show, those peripheral episodes actually add new color to the already established world."

1) WTF Starbuck was when she returned.

I think this was attempt to be faithful to original series and the Crystal Ship. I think she is either related to "God" ala Baltar/Six Angels and/or like the Crystal Six person that appears to Starbuck in that one episode with the pregnant woman/test and the Scilon that he becomes a buddy with.

2) Why was Starbuck repeatedly called the harbinger of death if she actually sent everyone to this lush green planet to repopulate humanity?

This is a much passed around mistake. I think she was only called harbinger of apocalypse. Which does not mean death, but change / rebirth.

3) Was Starbuck's father really Daniel, the last Cylon "child" created by the final five? If so, was her mother human? How did they successfully breed?

Ron Moore was clear about this in some podcast (or so I've read). Daniel was just that, killed by jealous super evil Cavil. Starbuck was not cylon ever. Also the dead/reborn Starbuck could have seen her father/piano man just like the Baltar/Six visages.

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The only minorly interesting thing about the cop-out ending with "Eve" and crap is that Cylon DNA is literally built into the human nature and could explain how similar humans end up making the same Cylons eventually. It's like secret code waiting to be expressed. Of course the whole concept of Centurions makes zero sense then. I still don't understand why they were cludged into this TV show once skinjobs introduced.

Major plot flaw is that Cavils etc. know they have all the time in the world. Even if they felt tricked or double crossed they would not blow up ship containing Hera. That would be suicide for their race. Plus they downloaded half of the "stream" isn't that a good start? It's still not clear why the people who invented Resurrection could never recreate it. Did it really take all five of them? Also, how did they ever build the one Resurrection ship then? Could they never repair it or study it? What if it got hit by a random gamma burst or something.

I still can't understand.. How did Saul grow old? How did Cavil wipe memories and insert them five like 50 years prior to nuking planet. They clearly could make more clones of themselves even if there is no resurrection, can't they just go clone crazy and share their thoughts anyways??

Also, what would never happen is sending fleet into sun. Also, no scilons would choose to live on Earth, especially if they all have to split up. And I guarantee one captain would keep crazy weapons stash and technology to be supreme ruler of the new Earth. Besides most of these small groups of people would be killed by tribals in no time. I just can't see giving up all your medicine and stuff like that. It's lame throwback to M. Night movie.

>> ^escape421521:
>> ^EDD:
It was no random piano player. It was in fact a figment of Kara's imagination - her 'dad', if there ever was one.

Thanks for mentioning this: I only noticed the 'invisible dad' on the second or third time through. There is one glaring flaw with your current theory: Dreilide Thrace (Kara's dad) definitively exists. He's a famous musician and we even see one of his recordings.


He did exist, but he easily could have been Daniel. I believe it was mentioned that all copies of Daniel were corrupted, but no mention was made of Daniel himself. IMO, Daniel, the artist, was Dreilide.

In reply to this comment by escape421521:
>> ^EDD:
It was no random piano player. It was in fact a figment of Kara's imagination - her 'dad', if there ever was one.

Thanks for mentioning this: I only noticed the 'invisible dad' on the second or third time through. There is one glaring flaw with your current theory: Dreilide Thrace (Kara's dad) definitively exists. He's a famous musician and we even see one of his recordings.

He did exist, but he easily could have been Daniel. I believe it was mentioned that all copies of Daniel were corrupted, but no mention was made of Daniel himself. IMO, Daniel, the artist, was Dreilide.

>> ^EDD:
It was no random piano player. It was in fact a figment of Kara's imagination - her 'dad', if there ever was one.

Thanks for mentioning this: I only noticed the 'invisible dad' on the second or third time through. There is one glaring flaw with your current theory: Dreilide Thrace (Kara's dad) definitively exists. He's a famous musician and we even see one of his recordings.

Can't say as I did. Isn't it so good?


In reply to this comment by lucky760:
Frakking brilliant. Did you create that mp3 yourself?

Thanks for sharing. I think I'm going to use that myself...

In reply to this comment by calvados:
I just turned the first bars of it into my mobile ringtone

http://skydexter.free.fr/cylon.mp3

Your video, Kara 'Starbuck' Thrace plays the Final Five theme (1:21), has made it into the Top 15 New Videos listing. Congratulations on your achievement. For your contribution you have been awarded 1 Power Point.

Frakking brilliant. Did you create that mp3 yourself?

Thanks for sharing. I think I'm going to use that myself...

In reply to this comment by calvados:
I just turned the first bars of it into my mobile ringtone

http://skydexter.free.fr/cylon.mp3

>> ^Smugglarn:
You have spoiled it pretty well already, you fucking fuck.
Some of us do not live in the US and have not seen all the episodes yet.
You sir, are a douche of galactic proportions.
remove clip and douchebag


Then you don't want to know about Adama calling for volunteers for a one-way rescue mission of Hera, who was kidnapped by Boomer and taken to a Cylon colony ship ensconced near a naked singularity. Also, the doctor is Daniel, and Starbuck is his daughter. Adama finds out and blows Starbuck out an airlock and ends up crying his brains out, in the end deciding to abandon Galactica. But he doesn't realize that Kara was "special", and Boomer rescues her while she is making her getaway with Hera. I still don't understand why Starbuck's eyes and back were glowing red while she was floating in space, but I hope we'll find out this week. Oops! I probably should have put this at the beginning of my comment, but !!SPOILER ALERT!!

>> ^Smugglarn:
You have spoiled it pretty well already, you fucking fuck.
Some of us do not live in the US and have not seen all the episodes yet.
You sir, are a douche of galactic proportions.
remove clip and douchebag


Did someone twist your arm and force you to watch this? You've got no-one to blame but yourself. You were warned it was a spoiler, yet you still watched it. Then you blame the poster for your ignorance. Class act my friend.. Class act.

Don't get your hopes up, the following episode features Adama crying in a fetal position and then deciding to abandon the Galactica (I wish I were joking). You should be thanking us for sparing you all the disappointment of these underwhelming final episodes. Go read a book or something.

You're welcome.

In reply to this comment by Smugglarn:
You have spoiled it pretty well already, you fucking fuck.

Some of us do not live in the US and have not seen all the episodes yet.

You sir, are a douche of galactic proportions.

*remove clip and douchebag

>> ^EDD:
^whoa, dft you've completely missed the point of this episode. It was no random piano player. It was in fact a figment of Kara's imagination - her 'dad', if there ever was one. The realization I mentioned in the description is the one of her having memory (imprints) of the song (Hera's notes merely provided cues for her to follow), which quite clearly leads to conclude that Kara IS Daniel, number 7, THE 13th Cylon model (who was artistic (piano, paintings, remind you of anyone?) and whose DNA had been radically altered, as we learned in the previous episode).

Umm... Occam's Razor? Isn't it far more likely that Kara Thrace is, in fact, the first Hybrid, and that Daniel was her father? I mean, she does stuff that Hera does (drawing the supernova over and over as a child). Look--we see him. We see the silly rituals they did when she was little. Starbuck's mom sure thought he was a real dude, and Kara even has a cassette tape of one of his performances. Admittedly, we've never "seen" him before, but he has loomed rather large in her life.

What I really like about this is that they've really drawn out the whole Greek Mythology angle, with the 'final five' (in fact, the FIRST five) lusting after their children and grand-children, unaware that in this, there is only sterility.

I've always thought Kara was a hybrid, but I thought that perhaps Saul Tigh was her real father, and that he had no idea. Rewatching the first season, I see that it puts a whole new spin on their relationship.

Oh, and I couldn't be happier about how all this is resolving. They had me at "naked singularity".