Hmmm....

Now, is this actually a nasty troll against women?

Kind of. Sort of. Not really, but kinda sorta.

I shall write a little essay on the relative value of words, to explain.

I was in my late teens when the Feminist Movement of the seventies was getting going. This was a time of women reclaiming language.

Women were described as "Miss or Mrs". Men were "Mr", with no designation as to their marital status. Just "Mr". So women came up with "Ms". No indication of marital status. The word was chosen to have an equal "value" to Mr.

We were also struggling with being called "girl" rather than "woman."

I got into many conversations, trying to convince folks that calling a grown woman a "girl" is very insulting. I heard many different reasons why it is okay to call a woman that, and I eventually figured out a logical response to each of those reasons.

It came down to a simple test.

Say something about a woman, calling her a "girl". Now change the gender -- would you say the same thing about man and be able to use the word "boy"? Or does it sound completely insulting to call a man a boy in that situation?

Example:

"I'll have my girl get back to you on that" when meaning your 51-year-old support staff person. Would you say "I'll have my boy get back to you on that." Think you would do it? How about if your support staff person is a black man? Now try it. Really drawl out that "boy", Southern it up big time.

NO. FUCKING. WAY.

If you would not call a black man a "boy", you got no business calling a grown woman a "girl."

It's okay to use girl sometimes, just as it is okay to use boy. "Boys' Night Out." "Girls' Night Out." Equal value phrases. No problem with "girl" if you can substitute "boy" and not feel weird.

So here we have rottenseed's eloquence.

"tits cunts cocks balls"

Nicely balanced, two sexual characteristics for each gender. They aren't the same area of the body, but that is just a reflection of the realities of anatomy. Our stuff is top and bottom, men have their stuff in the same place.

The only thing that sits badly is the word "cunt." That word doesn't have a male equivalent in rottenseed's attempt to be balanced. A truly balanced word would have been something like vay jay jay, or even @Lann's cooter. Cooter is a sweet term.

The word "cunt" has been used too long and too often as a pejorative to dismiss an entire woman as being just a body part, to shame her, to silence her, to reduce her to irrelevance. It wasn't that long ago that you wouldn't even hear or see the word -- it was spelled down to C-Word, and everyone knew what horrible thing had been said. Can't say that is true with the words "cocks" and "balls."

So "cunt" doesn't have a matched value word on the male side of this triumph of eloquence.

Women are starting to reclaim the word "cunt" for themselves, just as Eve Ensler made it okay to say vagina. I know you younger folks might be surprised to know this, but it wasn't that long ago NO ONE EVER said vagina. Penis was okay, but the word vagina was whispered and suggested and disguised (Lann's cooter, for example, it was always referred to with cute nicknames.) That was the beauty of Eve Ensler's Vagina Monologues. She set out to make vagina have the same "value" as penis, and she succeeded, brilliantly.

We haven't managed to reclaim "cunt" yet, but we are sneaking up on it.

So. To maintain the word value balance, just as I have been doing since 1970, I shall edit rottenseed's mature and eloquent tone poem to:

tits cooters cocks balls

TL DR: tits cooters cocks balls



>> ^rottenseed:

tits cunts cocks balls

>> ^bareboards2:

See, you ole sweetie! You like women!
I love this play. Eve Ensler did a great thing when she wrote this.
[edit] Thanks so much for posting this here -- maybe some guys will watch it who wouldn't normally.


>> ^blankfist:




Trolling fail on my part.

See, you ole sweetie! You like women!

I love this play. Eve Ensler did a great thing when she wrote this.

[edit] Thanks so much for posting this here -- maybe some guys will watch it who wouldn't normally.




>> ^blankfist:

Thanks for the promote =)

In reply to this comment by Farhad2000:
*promote

>> ^spoco2:
Upvote because she's done an awful lot of good in regards to women's rights and to stop abuse of various sorts.
I couldn't watch it all the way through though due to her speaking just a tad too hippy dippy for me.. I'm turned off a bit by talk of vagina waves and the like, she can go on about slightly absurd stuff a bit.
Plus, you just start getting the feeling that she hates all men, it's a danger in these things to not demonstrate that not all men are evil, women hating monsters.
Actually... just reading on her wikipedia entry about a section from the monologues called "The Little Coochie Snorcher that Could" about effectively a rape of a 13 year old girl by a 24 yr old woman, and how it ended with the line "If it was rape, it was good rape.". That kind of double standard is really infuriating. 'Women can do no wrong', 'Eveything men do to women is evil'.
Quite frankly F ck off. There are plenty of us who treat women with all and every respect and think of their pleasure before our own, and have been treated badly by women... it's not always a one way street.
Grr.
Still, there is a lot more to be done in the way that a lot of women are treated by far too many men.


actually, the last line of "the little coochie snorcher is:

"She transformed my sorry-ass coochie snorcher and raised it up into a kind of heaven."

That monologue is about a woman who was raped as a little girl, and then re-found herself and her sexuality through an experience she had with an older lesbain.