>> ^raverman:

I'll lift up a car... but I ain't touching anything more than your floppy shattered leg to drag you out.
Move you far enough from the car to be actually safe? What am i a f--king taxi?
But i'll be damned if i sit by you, see if you're breathing, perform cpr or provide any comfort until help arrives.
Good on them I suppose... but that's the least compassionate non-commital rescue i've ever seen.


I have a different take on this. If you were watching people in a normal environment doing something non-stressful then I'd agree with you. But we're not. We're watching people doing something that could well be the most stressful thing they'll ever do. As far as they know the car could explode at any time, or it could fall on them trapping them in the flames or any number of other things. Whether these things are actually likely or not is immaterial, it's all the things that would be running through these people's head. But they overcame that and did what they had to do.

I have a very close friend who is a fireman and he deals with situations very differently to me. He's used to the stress of the situation. He's used to seeing death. It's just his job and he's de-sensitised to it. I'm not. I was driving along behind a truck in rush hour traffic a few years ago. Long story short, the truck in front of the one in front of me braked very suddenly and the truck in front of me didn't notice. Drove into the back of the other truck and crushed the cab. I screeched to a stop, jumped out and ran to the front of the lorry to see what had happened an if I could help. I'm first aid trained so I should be of some use. I was stood in the middle of the road looking at a crushed cab with the driver crushed against the wheel, unconscious. There was blood dripping from the cab. I looked back to the huge queue of traffic that was stopped behind my car and saw the most terrible thing I've ever seen. Just a huge row of people, all just sat in their cars waiting for someone else to deal with the problem. It was probably the worst moment of my life. No-one else gave a shit and I was watching a man die.

My phone was dead so I ran back to the car behind mine and asked the woman driving to call an ambulance, which she did. I ran back to the cab to see if there was anything I could do and I just froze. I couldn't deal with the stress, my brain just tried to shut down. What snapped me out of it was a guy running toward me to help, from about twenty cars further back down the queue. Just having someone else help - not being alone - was enough and we got the guy out of the cab. Eventually a few other people helped, but it took them a while to come forward.

Every one of the people in this video is risking their life to help someone they don't know. They stepped forward and the guy survived. To sit back in your comfy chair and criticise a construction worker in an incredibly stressful situation not doing precisely the right thing is just the wrong way to look at it. They manned the fuck up and saved his life. You've just seen a lot of very ordinary people do something incredible and they deserve credit for that. If I saw a fire crew do the same thing I'd be disgusted, but that's not what they are.

Your mind goes blank and it takes a huge amount of effort to get anything done in that situation. I've got all the time in the world for every one of the people in this video. It wasn't text book, but they saved him, and deserve all the credit for it.

Good read on this Raverman. Its like they thought they were rescuing a hot chick and then got disapointed when they pulled out a dude. Or maybe they were just checking to make sure it wasn't anybody famous.

>> ^raverman:
I'll lift up a car... but I ain't touching anything more than your floppy shattered leg to drag you out.
Move you far enough from the car to be actually safe? What am i a f--king taxi?
But i'll be damned if i sit by you, see if you're breathing, perform cpr or provide any comfort until help arrives.
Good on them I suppose... but that's the least compassionate non-commital rescue i've ever seen.

I'll lift up a car... but I ain't touching anything more than your floppy shattered leg to drag you out.
Move you far enough from the car to be actually safe? What am i a f--king taxi?
But i'll be damned if i sit by you, see if you're breathing, perform cpr or provide any comfort until help arrives.

Good on them I suppose... but that's the least compassionate non-commital rescue i've ever seen.

>> ^doogle:

In what situation would I need to do this?
That would be helpful. Apart from "for fun".


Watch the video again, from the beginning, where it says "Indications." What follows is a list of situations in which this procedure is "indicated" (or "prescribed," or whatever layman's term for "you only do this when this situation occurs.") I can break them down for ya.

If you are ever in a situation where you find someone unconsious, with a pulse, but no signs breathing, you need to establish why they are not breathing. There are training videos and classes on this sort of thing, and I highly recommend everyone not only do so, but stay on top of new data and findings. Even just recently CPR guidelines have changed - mouth-to-mouth is only really necessary for drowning victims. Cardiac arrest is usually the cause of most instantaneous medical emergencies, and keeping steady chest compression rhythm to manually pump the heart is more important to saving the brain and oxygen-dependent tissues M2M breaths should only be administered once or twice every 30 compressions or so.

Anyway, to break things down:

"Severe Maxilofacial trauma" Nasty wounds to the jaw and mouth that prevent mouth-to-mouth or mouth-to-airbag contact.

"Severe Bleeding to the airway/oropharynx" Just another big word for hole on everyone's face that is their mouth extending back into their vocal chords. Blood and/or clotting is preventing breathing. CPR would force blood into the lungs in a bad way.

"Foreign matter in upper airway" They've got something lodged in their throat, far enough in that you can simply pull it out with your fingers, or you can't get them to a position to "heimlich" them (not that we use the Heimlich maneuver anymore - there's a similar, more modern-science-informed method).

"Edema secondary to burns to the face and airway" Edema is another word for swelling. Again, you can't mouth-to-mouth or to-airbag over burn wounds, and sometimes your throat can swell shut from burns, be they burns from fire or chemical.

The last couple should be self-explanitory.

What then follows are a list of "Contraindications" or situations in which you should AVOID this procedure. In medicine, these are important. For example, massaging someone's swollen legs after they just landed from an airplane flight is contraindicated, as leg swelling is a sign on deep-vein thrombosis. Failure to identify and accommodate contraindications will could lead to patient death exposing you to legal and civil liability. And the guilt of knowing you killed someone you were trying to help.

I'm not a doctor. I'm just a certified massage therapist with over 600 hours of training in massage-oriented anatomy, physiology, pathology and ethics, among other important lessons. I have no authority to make diagnoses.. But my massage school gave me enough information to know when I could potentially harm someone, and how to identify those situations should they arise in my practice.

>> ^grinter:

What is Adam Savage doing there?
..also, why are they encouraging hands only CPR instead of chest compression with ventilation?
(c'mon I'm sure someone here knows).



Chest-compression-only versus standard CPR

On a side note Ken Jeong is a Medical Doctor

EMTs have known this for years...on another note: Queen's "Another One Bites the Dust" works well, too.

Sadly, my 7 yo daughter (who was born with a congenital heart defect, and then had 2 heart transplants) finally succumbed to heart failure at Stanford University, due to complications of rejections resulting in Coronary Heart Disease. She died suddenly just days after Easter, and days before her birthday.

And as for the Chest Compression only, it is far more important to keep the heart pumping manually than it is to get "air into the lungs". By his recommendation, 911 would have the Emergency Medical Technicians there in a timely manner with very little to no damage to brain matter and other organs. Ventilation is sketchy at best (the R in CPR), and it stops one from manually pumping the heart for a short time. Remember, we don't absorb all the oxygen in the blood by the first pass, and you keep clots from forming, too (as I seem to recall...someone correct me on this?)

Thanks! that explains it.

In reply to this comment by blutruth:
>> ^grinter:

What is Adam Savage doing there?
..also, why are they encouraging hands only CPR instead of chest compression with ventilation?
(c'mon I'm sure someone here knows).

http://www.cnn.com/2010/HEALTH/07/28/chest.compressions/index.html

This might have the answer you're looking for. In short, if people don't have to do ventilation, they're more likely to attempt CPR.

>> ^grinter:

What is Adam Savage doing there?
..also, why are they encouraging hands only CPR instead of chest compression with ventilation?
(c'mon I'm sure someone here knows).

http://www.cnn.com/2010/HEALTH/07/28/chest.compressions/index.html

This might have the answer you're looking for. In short, if people don't have to do ventilation, they're more likely to attempt CPR.

What is Adam Savage doing there?

..also, why are they encouraging hands only CPR instead of chest compression with ventilation?
(c'mon I'm sure someone here knows).

Awesome story... too bad they couldn't take 30 seconds to actually be a little more useful, and show people who were watching how to perform CPR.

That kid is awesome though!

While the news station and narration is different, this is the same story and same footage as at this Sift: http://videosift.com/video/TV-saves-Baby-CPR-by-9-year-old-saves-little-sister

I'm not sure if that constitutes a dupe or not...

>> ^dannym3141:
>> ^visionep:
The owner is SOOOO annoying. It's a dog lady.. hold it together.
The other problem here is even if the dog lives long term it is going to have major behavior problems with an idiot owner like that. She is praising the dogs nervous behavior after it recovers so it will likely become very neurotic.

What in the name of fuck are you talking about?
First off, who the fuck are you to tell people what they should be upset about? If i don't really care about my mum, and your mum dies, am i in my rights to tell you to shut the fuck up crying about just your mum?
Second off, how the hell is she rewarding nervous behaviour? The dog is scared, it experienced a trauma, she is cuddling the dog. Best bet is to remain calm so that the dog knows that everything is ok, but that's pretty hard given the situation.
You're talking pseudo science bollocks and hopefully you realise that before you open up your dog training advice centre. I'd be surprised if you even owned a dog. Take it from someone with experience - the only thing she did wrong was panic, and i'd have done the same wrong if any of my dogs collapsed.


I love my mom.

Just sayin'

>> ^visionep:

The owner is SOOOO annoying. It's a dog lady.. hold it together.
The other problem here is even if the dog lives long term it is going to have major behavior problems with an idiot owner like that. She is praising the dogs nervous behavior after it recovers so it will likely become very neurotic.


What in the name of fuck are you talking about?

First off, who the fuck are you to tell people what they should be upset about? If i don't really care about my mum, and your mum dies, am i in my rights to tell you to shut the fuck up crying about just your mum?

Second off, how the hell is she rewarding nervous behaviour? The dog is scared, it experienced a trauma, she is cuddling the dog. Best bet is to remain calm so that the dog knows that everything is ok, but that's pretty hard given the situation.

You're talking pseudo science bollocks and hopefully you realise that before you open up your dog training advice centre. I'd be surprised if you even owned a dog. Take it from someone with experience - the only thing she did wrong was panic, and i'd have done the same wrong if any of my dogs collapsed.

You should know that not everyone has the perfect control over their emotions that Vulcans and (apparently) you do, they lose their shit in situations like this. She was probably sure they dog would die then and there, who would have thought the trainer knew doggie CPR?

>> ^visionep:
You are right that most people, including myself, really love their animals and that some people potentially would have a hard time containing their grief or fear when the animal is in a bad situation, that's not what I was commenting on. When the dog started recovering the lady kept up her hysteria and really showed that she doesn't understand or care how dogs think which in my mind shows that she was putting her own feelings before the dogs well being.

I'm no troll, so I guess my only other option is idiot? I'm glad you were available to define my choices so succinctly.

I am a dog owner who has great affection for his animals I value the quality of life for my animals so I take the time to learn about and understand how they think instead of humanizing my animal and then wondering why it doesn't act like one of my children.

You are right that most people, including myself, really love their animals and that some people potentially would have a hard time containing their grief or fear when the animal is in a bad situation, that's not what I was commenting on. When the dog started recovering the lady kept up her hysteria and really showed that she doesn't understand or care how dogs think which in my mind shows that she was putting her own feelings before the dogs well being.

>> ^EMPIRE:

"it's a dog lady... hold it together?" Nice one.
You are either a troll, or an idiot who obviously can't understand the rather well-known affection an owner may have for his/her pet.
Get lost.