*dupeof=http://videosift.com/video/Fastest-way-to-cross-a-border-patrol-checkpoint

http://videosift.com/video/Fastest-way-to-cross-a-border-patrol-checkpoint

I'm not a conspiracy theorist, or one of the less-grounded members of this community (you all know who you are!), and I'm not trying to make this out to be the good/bad/evil scenario, i.e. Emperor Palpatine et al. I use "government" as a collective, general term, however I felt it was apt in this context given that people strictly within the government, and maybe lobbyists to an extent, are responsible for these various decisions that have led us to this point.
No, they don't seek power for it's own sake, but the handful of objectives I listed in my last post are a sampling of what might drive an organization to pursue power fervently.

There does seem to exist a greater, definitively single-minded pursuit of lessening the civil rights of US citizens since the turn of the millennium, in an attempt to have more power over them, and while "government" at large generally fumbles over itself when it attempts to get all the parts moving together as one, I believe you can see the broader cooperation happening here. From inclusion of said US Tech companies roles, the nation-wide abuse by the police force, aggression of US border patrol agents, random TSA checkpoints on some state highways, and the statements made by the president and his staff, which only seem to serve to blow off civil concerns with one breath while granting increased power to these same entities with the next.

At this point in a country's history, it seems to me that the only thing that can change the course of an entire nation is decisive action by it's citizens on a scale that would simultaneously qualify as an act that justifies all their overreaches of power. And I don't mean in any way acts of violence, but if there were a 5-million-man-march on the capitol tomorrow to show a mass appeal for reason and demand accountability, I believe it would be used as an example of why the government is pursuing such surveillance to begin with.

Sorry this is long winded, but lastly, I wouldn't feel too bad about Obama's allegedly targeting only foreign individuals. To me that felt like damage control to appease the US populace rather than an affront to foreign nationals. They said the Exact. Same. Thing. about the Patriot Act, and that was being used to arrest US citizens for minor infractions by local law enforcement not 6-months after it was passed. Disgusting.

It gets even weirder - the "no touching" zone doesn't actually align with the border perfectly in some places. Mostly these are places where it would be really inconvenient to run true to the border, such as small, steep gulch, so they just ran around it.

I know biologists doing wildlife surveys who have had to notify US Border Patrol that "while they would appear to be across the border, they wouldn't actually be across, because the border boundary is wrong at such and such a spot"

And to be fair to the Border Patrol, I've never heard of anyone being seriously hassled about this, as long as the Patrol was notified in advance.

I guess first off, I should explain that I'm not in full support of these searches/stops, but again, if I were stopped and asked questions, I'd just give them my ID and be on my way. Which, actually I have been before (just not in this context).

Yes, but Identified and searched are two separate instances and rights are not forfeit for giving that information. They must still have probable cause to open, and search. By acting like the kid(s) in the video, would possibly give an officer suspicion that there may be something to hide, and therefore, probable cause (although that's a very very loose explanation/definition). Also the plain sight rules apply, and given that this is essentially an extension of the border searches, I wonder if the Border Search exception could apply (given that it's the DHS/Border patrol holding the stops).

Basically what I'm saying is that, while yes, the stops are annoying, this is what you get if you cry/whine about illegal immigrants. Also, like I said before, if the kid just said "here's my ID" he would've been back on the road in likely seconds rather than giving the officer an attitude.

Oh, and "moral" is subjective, your morals may differ than mine, or someone else, bringing morals into a law debate doesn't support your argument. And until the 1979 ruling is overturned regarding these checkpoints, they won't stop. It's just best to take another road if you don't want to be stopped in the checkpoint.

I just noticed every VS link I posted on FB has changed its thumbnail to the thumb from http://videosift.com/video/Fastest-way-to-cross-a-border-patrol-checkpoint, nr.1 video on the sift this week

>> ^artician:

...So sick of this country species...


Fixed that for you.

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>> ^Sagemind:

I'm sorry Shinyblurry,
You seem like a genuine person who believes strongly what has been given to you.
BUT...
Really?
Let every person be subject to the governing authorities?
Those whom resist authority, will incur judgement from God?
That sounds a lot like Authority trying to rule over it's subjects.
Obey the government and all that it makes you do or you will incur the full wrath of our police force and military.
I have respect for myself and I have respect for others, but I don't need to respect authority that hasn't earned my respect. If we just comply with every command we are given, without question, then we condemn ourselves to be ruled and subjugated by the very power that is evil. Absolute Power is but Evil indeed.
If everyone bowed down and gave their power away, then there would be nothing left but mindless drones (sheep) serving the ruling class. This is something I WILL NEVER DO. No one person shall have power over me. Not one power should ever have power over any free mind.
Because you have bowed and given yourself away, (which I feel is a weak-minded action - sorry, no offense intended, that's just how I feel,) doesn't mean it's a good idea. This would only work if power didn't corrupt absolutely.
Antiquated rules by an antiquated idea of governance.
>> ^shinyblurry:
Romans 13:1
Let every person be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God.
Therefore whoever resists the authorities resists what God has appointed, and those who resist will incur judgment.



No offense taken and I appreciate your sincerity. I will elaborate here and say that to submit to the authorities doesn't mean unquestioning obedience. Anything commanded by the authorities which is contrary to what God has commanded should be disobeyed, because we should obey God rather than men. In general, though, it is to understand that God is the ruler of the nations, and He has established the authorities for His purposes, and that their authority ultimately derives from Him.

I won't bow down to corrupt human institutions, but I do give them the respect that they are due. You are right, in that we could never completely submit to an authority because they are all corrupt, but there is one authority that is not corrupt, which is God, and ultimately that is the authority we submit to when we obey the lesser authorities. I think you're hitting on the main issue that some have, which is that they don't want to give up total control to any authority; as you said, with humans it isn't warranted, but with God it is warranted, not only because He is worthy of it, but because in the context of His sovereignty the control we have is actually just an illusion.

To follow Jesus is not weak minded; if you look at American Christians, the rarest ones are those who are living sanctified lives which reveal the love of God. Rare, because following Jesus is not an easy thing, but a very difficult thing which takes a fullness of virtues, and this can only be done with Gods help. The weak Christians are the ones who are living as the world does and slandering His good name.

Matthew 7:14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

I'm sorry Shinyblurry,
You seem like a genuine person who believes strongly what has been given to you.

BUT...
Really?
"Let every person be subject to the governing authorities?"
"Those whom resist authority, will incur judgement from God?"

That sounds a lot like Authority trying to rule over it's subjects.
Obey the government and all that it makes you do or you will incur the full wrath of our police force and military.

I have respect for myself and I have respect for others, but I don't need to respect authority that hasn't earned my respect. If we just comply with every command we are given, without question, then we condemn ourselves to be ruled and subjugated by the very power that is evil. Absolute Power is but Evil indeed.

If everyone bowed down and gave their power away, then there would be nothing left but mindless drones (sheep) serving the ruling class. This is something I WILL NEVER DO. No one person shall have power over me. Not one power should ever have power over any free mind.

Because you have bowed and given yourself away, (which I feel is a weak-minded action - sorry, no offense intended, that's just how I feel,) doesn't mean it's a good idea. This would only work if power didn't corrupt absolutely.

Antiquated rules by an antiquated idea of governance.

>> ^shinyblurry:
Romans 13:1
Let every person be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God.
Therefore whoever resists the authorities resists what God has appointed, and those who resist will incur judgment.

Sounds pretty disgusting what happened to him. At the same time, he seems pretty disgusting himself.

He's either a next level troll, or he thinks gays should be executed.

http://www.signorile.com/2009/09/steven-l-anderson-killing-gays-is-not.html
>> ^artician:

So, I went and looked up his other videos. Turns out he wasn't actually joking; the guy is a baptist pastor. Kinda ruins the fun for me, but that's not the important part.
The important part was that I guess the border patrol got sick of the guy, or something. They forced him to stop once and tazed and beat the hell out of him. What's more, the comments on facebook were largely along the lines of "you deserved it because you're a religious asshole", which just makes the problem so much worse when you have that whole "I don't agree with your philosophy, therefore you don't deserve equal rights" ignorance into it.
Here are some of the videos from his negative experience:
http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL411D86B36B802F1D&feature=pl
cp
Which I guess happened in 2009. Surprised I haven't heard of it before. So sick of this country...

So, I went and looked up his other videos. Turns out he wasn't actually joking; the guy is a baptist pastor. Kinda ruins the fun for me, but that's not the important part.

The important part was that I guess the border patrol got sick of the guy, or something. They forced him to stop once and tazed and beat the hell out of him. What's more, the comments on facebook were largely along the lines of "you deserved it because you're a religious asshole", which just makes the problem so much worse when you have that whole "I don't agree with your philosophy, therefore you don't deserve equal rights" ignorance into it.

Here are some of the videos from his negative experience:
http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL411D86B36B802F1D&feature=plcp

Which I guess happened in 2009. Surprised I haven't heard of it before. So sick of this country...

Holy fuck, please get away from your computer and interact with real flesh and blood human persons.

I refuse to believe you can't comprehend how disgusting and illogical this comment is.

"Sure prison rape is awful. But why make prisoners safer? We should really be focusing on making sure no one ever breaks the law, ever. Then there wouldn't be any prisoners to rape in the first place. Duuurrr."

It's simple Pennypacker.
You're a human. Immigrants are humans. Prisoners are humans.

If it's unjust to treat WinstonField AssholePacker like this.
It's clearly unjust to treat immigrants and prisoners like this. Full stop.

Who the fuck cares what law these people broke.
You break the law all the goddamn time and no one humiliates and degrades you for it.

These immigrants are trying to live "the american dream".
Shouldn't you admire them for that.
Shouldn't you stand up and protect them from these injustices.
Shouldn't you recognize their determination and hardwork to achieve that dream by any means necessary?!

You should. But you can't.
Cause you're too wrapped up in your "conservative" moralfaggotry to stop and examine the reality of things.

I.E. - The problem here is that the Border Patrol abuse EVERYONE. Fully legal citizens included.

Yet your moralfaggotry conveniently allows you to gloss over that fact and the root of the injustice.
All in favor of tooting the - "Illegal immigration is the real problem" horn.

TL;DR

The problem isn't illegal immigration.
The problem is the systemic abuse, degradation and misconduct by people trusted with authority.

Pennypacker can't empathize. Needs to be tortured next time he gets a speeding/parking ticket.


>> ^Winstonfield_Pennypacker:

Nothing new here. Such things have plagued the system for decades. Only message I get is that the US needs a better, better, higher, deeper wall so that only legal immigration can take place.

If you were looking for sympathy, look elsewhither. Illegals get no sympathy from me. No one approves of abuses.

If you want to eliminate these abuses, the solution is clear. Eliminate illegal immigration by slamming the south border shut.

And yet should we not arrest them? Should we give them 'amnesty'? Should we just get rid of prisons and go to some sort of hippie liberal honor system? Pht. So what's your point?

Tags for this video have been changed from 'Border Patrol Abuse' to 'Border Patrol, sexual abuse, torture' - edited by Boise_Lib