>> ^Hive13:

It is a private business and can chose not to sell to anyone for any reason they choose. They don't HAVE to sell a cake to them. That doesn't make it okay to be hateful and bigoted, but there is no lawsuit here.
I'd love a business to refuse service to a christian man/woman couple in the same way. Sadly, it would be the scandal of the decade.


No one was arguing that they don't have a right to do what they want. I think the argument was they still shouldn't be dicks. Which makes sense in a world with "Don't be a Dick" rules. I would tell these Christians not to be a dick, but instead suck one!

Also shaming people into doing the right thing is fine in my view, but what happened here was they got celebrated for doing the wrong thing. This is the country we have, we're free to be assholes. Christians are going to tear our country down bit by bit from education to civilization, until we're nothing but beholden to their idiocy.

I for one hope all the scientists and engineers who don't believe in this bullshit go to Canada, make them a world power and stop operating in a country that celebrates morons.

Just because he didn't say hate doesn't mean it isn't in him. To act like that, to willfully turn away a customer because you look down upon them and their lifestyle? That's bigotry, intolerance of another. Especially in light of the bible explicitly saying not to judge others.

Terrorism, really? You're silly.

"Render unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's, and unto God the things that are God's"

I bring this up because I feel that servicing a customer is part of operating inside of society and being an obedient and humble person, just as your religious text wants you to be.

Wielding judgement is for your god alone.

>> ^deedub81:

" I really don't understand why religious people glorify in the hatred of others."
Using the same hyperbole that you do, I can paint all non-religious people with as broad a brush by saying "I don't understand why all non-religious people are violent terrorists and threaten hard working families with death threats."
I'm religious and I wouldn't deny business to somebody for being gay just like you didn't (and wouldn't) call in a death threat to this guy.
>> ^UsesProzac:
Business has doubled since the incident? I really don't understand why religious people glorify in the hatred of others. I've seen it firsthand in extended family members and it chills me. How can Christians ignore the gospel of loving thy neighbor and judge not and all those other fancy things their prophet said in their own religious text?
@shinyblurry, how do you reconcile that hypocrisy within yourself? You're the only person I know to ask here, seeing as you called me a harlot and all that. When you judge another person and go directly against the words set down in your bible, do you immediately ask your god to forgive you or what?
Edit: I'll throw in one of my favorite quotes to further illustrate the rampant hypocrisy.
“If this is going to be a Christian nation that doesn't help the poor, either we have to pretend that Jesus was just as selfish as we are, or we've got to acknowledge that He commanded us to love the poor and serve the needy without condition and then admit that we just don't want to do it.” - Stephen Colbert

" I really don't understand why religious people glorify in the hatred of others."

Using the same hyperbole that you do, I can paint all non-religious people with as broad a brush by saying "I don't understand why all non-religious people are violent terrorists and threaten hard working families with death threats."

I'm religious and I wouldn't deny business to somebody for being gay just like you didn't (and wouldn't) call in a death threat to this guy.
>> ^UsesProzac:

Business has doubled since the incident? I really don't understand why religious people glorify in the hatred of others. I've seen it firsthand in extended family members and it chills me. How can Christians ignore the gospel of loving thy neighbor and judge not and all those other fancy things their prophet said in their own religious text?
@shinyblurry, how do you reconcile that hypocrisy within yourself? You're the only person I know to ask here, seeing as you called me a harlot and all that. When you judge another person and go directly against the words set down in your bible, do you immediately ask your god to forgive you or what?
Edit: I'll throw in one of my favorite quotes to further illustrate the rampant hypocrisy.
“If this is going to be a Christian nation that doesn't help the poor, either we have to pretend that Jesus was just as selfish as we are, or we've got to acknowledge that He commanded us to love the poor and serve the needy without condition and then admit that we just don't want to do it.” - Stephen Colbert

>> ^shinyblurry

Blah blah blah

If I do something or say something wrong to a person, I ask forgiveness from both my God and the person I did it to, as I did with you. The great commandments are to love the Lord thy God with all of your heart, all of your soul, all of your mind, and all of your strength, and also, to love thy neighbor as yourself. I think a Christian who does something wrong should do what is reasonable to reconcile with people who they have wronged.

As far as the cake goes, the man didn't refuse service because the men were gay. He was more than happy to make them a cake, just not a gay wedding cake. I don't see how you're inserting the word hatred into the discussion. The man has a sincere conviction that gay marriage is wrong and he doesn't want to participate in it. The question really being posed is, is this unchristian not to make this cake?

For one, Jesus didn't tell us not to judge, He told us not to judge hypocritically. That is what is meant by the log in someones eye versus the splinter in the other. Christians are to judge all things to see if they line up to the word of God. Now, would you think it is wrong for a Pastor to refuse to perform a same-sex marriage ceremony? I don't think you could say it was unchristian for the Pastor to refuse to do it, on the basis of his moral conviction. Well, this baker also had a moral conviction about supplying the cake for the ceremony. His conviction is to make wedding cakes for heterosexual weddings only because he believes gay marriage is immoral. I really don't see anything wrong with this; it isn't loving your neighbor to help someone along in their sin. Neither do I think he should be forced to violate his conscience by lending his reputation to something he knows God disapproves of.

In the name of tolerance, people are coming out of the woodwork to bash Christian businesses like Chick-fil-a on the basis of their beliefs about homosexuality being a sin. A lot of these are setups; the gay community gets wind of a Christian business who has strong convictions, and then they send someone in to get refused so they can go to the media and create a bunch of hype and drama and generate sympathy. In the end, the hatred and intolerance seems to be entirely one sided. Christians don't hate gays; Jesus died as much for them as He did for the rest of us. Christians who do hate gays are simply ignorant and wrong and they should be chastised. That doesn't mean you should indict Christianity as a whole, because true Christians recognize that we've all sinned and fallen short of the glory of God.

>> ^UsesProzac:

Business has doubled since the incident? I really don't understand why religious people glorify in the hatred of others. I've seen it firsthand in extended family members and it chills me. How can Christians ignore the gospel of loving thy neighbor and judge not and all those other fancy things their prophet said in their own religious text?
@shinyblurry, how do you reconcile that hypocrisy within yourself? You're the only person I know to ask here, seeing as you called me a harlot and all that. When you judge another person and go directly against the words set down in your bible, do you immediately ask your god to forgive you or what?
Edit: I'll throw in one of my favorite quotes to further illustrate the rampant hypocrisy.
“If this is going to be a Christian nation that doesn't help the poor, either we have to pretend that Jesus was just as selfish as we are, or we've got to acknowledge that He commanded us to love the poor and serve the needy without condition and then admit that we just don't want to do it.” - Stephen Colbert

The coffee in the Louis CK video is not the primary subject of the video. The coffee plays an insignificant, incidental role in the context of the clip. It would have been an identical video if he was buying a bagel from a bakery. The focus of that video is his hangover, not the coffee.

I haven't yet had time to view every video submitted for the contest, but if you feel there are other posts that should be disqualified for not meeting the stated eligibility requirements, please let @dag or myself know and we'll be happy to investigate. It would be unfair to accept any video with someone simply drinking a cup of coffee, especially when so many other videos adhere to the contest requirements.

@JiggaJonson - Maybe the videos you cited should be booted. If that's the case, they will be. Thanks for pointing them out! [edit] Those videos have been disqualified from the contest. Thanks again!

Even if every other part of that video was false. Speculation is a non-value adding force to most aspects of the economy. Especially when you get to speculators speculating on other speculation, and it exists. The money being funneled into pockets via most speculation adds NOTHING but cost.

To claim that the amount of speculation that is allowed in the US, to the detriment to everyone BUT the speculators, is a good thing is crazy. We've had videos about this stuff on here all the time, why speculation began (to facility sales between farmers and bakeries/whatever by setting firm prices to buy at and be sustainable). Any speculation beyond that first step is just adding cost to fill some other guys pockets who does NOTHING.

They need to be forced to take their money and invest/produce instead of cashing in on other people's labor. It's just another tax you are forced to pay, but it ends up in the pockets of private investors and such. It does not help you in anyway whatsoever. It just creates an unnecessary layer of "investment" that doubles the pressure on manufacturing and production, increasing costs but not creating more goods, better goods, or cheaper goods. And when the economy has downward trends, it makes it worse.

@direpickle

Same thing happened to me almost a year ago. In the summer a woman of great age was walking the sidewalk as I went into my car to get some bread from the local bakery, she scratched out " will you give me a ride to the ***** pharmacy "

I could not come up with a decent answer for no, and likewise I did not think a grandma who was grasping for breath and had 1.3 miles left to walk would offer me any grievance. I gave her a ride to the pharmacy so she could pick up her medicine and I drove her home ( which was quite far away for her,not the car)

I still feel great about that, but I guess it boiled down to the threat level. She may of been crazy, but I could stop and get out and call the cops if that happened.

Oh and she would not let me leave without giving me 6 dollars, which I tried to refuse profusely but accepted it as I did not want to offend. I think she was german or some such accent.

shout out to Tartine bakery at 3:10, followed by BiRite ice cream around the corner, ending up in Dolores Park!

That was really fun to watch. It looks so sunny, clean and pleasing in his bakery.

Funny to see this. If I ever move to Canada, I'd only move to a place with german bakeries.

@shagen454
i dont know where you were on the east coast but when i lived in brooklyn, walmart was trying to get in and the community came out everytime to protest.outback made it in and closed within a year because NO ONE went out to eat there.
i loved that about brooklyn.
you didnt go to some chain supermarket for your meats,you went to frank and sals.
you got the best bagels from the corner bakery (forgot the name) or if you wanted homemade tiramsau at 4am you headed to ferreros.
all family run businesses spent the money they made right back in to the community,unlike a corporate chain.

and for those talking about corporations and how great their service is?
pffft (fart noise)
heres a story for you kids concerning the altruism of corporations:
in the 90's there were hundreds of family produce businesses catering to local resturaunts.
nobody would buy from sysco(one the largest rest. supplier).so sysco got together with such companies as allied and usfoods and they literally cut their produce by half.
they sandbagged every family operation.
so when you had the price of a case of lettuce at 10-12 bucks from the family,sysco could get it for you for 6-7 bucks.
that was too sweet a deal for the local eateries and within a year those family businesses were DONE.
and lo and behold that 12$ case of lettuce jumped to 35$ when those families were no longer in the competition.
which of course affected everything from prices to quality.
the corporation has the resources and political might to crush any family run business which leaves us all with the tired vanilla cookie cutter sameness and a lame landscape of chain stores and strip malls.an un-originality that drains the soul and sucks all the color out of any kind of uniqueness that once was the family run business.
most people dont even notice until they find their neighborhood unrecognizable.
people never notice until it directly affects them and THEIR tiny little bubble of existence and THEN it becomes a federal case of persecution.

cry me a river you self-centered twat.

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Well, I don't know about you, but I'm starting with the man in the mirror - I'm asking him to change his ways - and no message could have been any clearer - if You wanna make the world a better place, don't glorify a picked on kid who body slams another dweeby kid.

>> ^draak13:

Spoco et al keeps posting that this kind of situation shouldn't happen, that both sides are bad in this fight, and that we need to address the social and societal issues that lead to this event. However, that's where it stops; the social and societal issues are never addressed, but merely stated in paraphrase that, 'the social atmosphere is bad, shame on you for contributing to the problem.' I see no offering for a social or societal resolution that would prevent a situation like this.
If you think the solution to this problem is to have all of the onlookers come out and try to break things up, then why don't you go dress up in a scuba suit and call yourself kickass. I don't think the world works that way.
Really, I challenge and beg any poster for a solution that would actually work. If you're going to call shame on the people who have condoned the actions witnessed in this video, back up your claim to a better world by offering some preventative resolution, and then we'll actually have something to discuss.
>> ^dag:
Count me with Spoco et al on this one. It's natural for us to cheer for a Kenny Rogers Coward of the County type outcome - but really you don't want this situation to happen in the first place. You also need to think of what has led to this situation. Here's what I know for a fact:

Spoco et al keeps posting that this kind of situation shouldn't happen, that both sides are bad in this fight, and that we need to address the social and societal issues that lead to this event. However, that's where it stops; the social and societal issues are never addressed, but merely stated in paraphrase that, 'the social atmosphere is bad, shame on you for contributing to the problem.' I see no offering for a social or societal resolution that would prevent a situation like this.

If you think the solution to this problem is to have all of the onlookers come out and try to break things up, then why don't you go dress up in a scuba suit and call yourself kickass. I don't think the world works that way.

Really, I challenge and beg any poster for a solution that would actually work. If you're going to call shame on the people who have condoned the actions witnessed in this video, back up your claim to a better world by offering some preventative resolution, and then we'll actually have something to discuss.

>> ^dag:

Count me with Spoco et al on this one. It's natural for us to cheer for a Kenny Rogers Coward of the County type outcome - but really you don't want this situation to happen in the first place. You also need to think of what has led to this situation. Here's what I know for a fact:

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Count me with Spoco et al on this one. It's natural for us to cheer for a Kenny Rogers Coward of the County type outcome - but really you don't want this situation to happen in the first place. You also need to think of what has led to this situation. Here's what I know for a fact: