Whoa!
*quality

@newtboy
whoa whoa scooter..slow yer roll.
i lived in lauderdale and there aint NOTHING conservative about that joint.huge gay community AND a huge new york jewish community.
so yeah..liberal.

and rich.im not talking "kinda rich" im talking 'lets pull our 5 story yacht to have dinner on an over-priced intercoastal posh eatery" (which i worked at quite a few).

so i dont know what set you off,when i am speaking from actual experience.
was it the word "liberal"?
ok..let me rephrase...
obscenely rich liberals who dont want to actually SEE poor,homeless people.
they want them..you know..over there------------>
the whole "not in my back yard" thing.

yes..they donate handsomely.
yes..they gift furniture and other essentials.
yes..they help sponsor food drives (but over there------->)

so im not saying they are bad people.
i am saying they are hypocrites.
because THEY are the most vocal in local government,and while they may be generous in their charities they are also the ones who push to get those icky,unshowered homeless people out of plain sight.

cuz homeless people are icky.
what would their vacationing austrian family think???

and since tourism is the MAIN source of income in the lauderdale/boca/west palm area,the local government does what it does best.

criminalize the poor.

so it wasnt a case of "starve the poor".
it was a case of "hey,we see poor people..and in PUBLIC"

the horror......
poor people...
in public...
they must need therapy now.

i live on the west coast now (and not the cool naples west coast) and yes..this bunch of dimwitted morons who retired from middle management in order to over pay for their golf privileges and get all their news from FOX are exactly the demographic you are talking about.

not to mention the gulf coast seems to be a white trash mecca.

and yes..there IS an evangelical baptist church on every corner (true story).

and it is with great sadness that i have to admit to being neighbors with these very same dimbulbs who just re-elected rick scott.the same man who paid out the largest medicare fraud in HISTORY!

so thanks for reminding me i live in a mudpit of retards....thanks newt.

im gonna go crawl into a ball now and cry myself to sleep humming the doors "this is the end".

Whoa, watch your language there, sailor! While I admire your thoughtful and intelligent critique, calling it BS isn't all that constructive.
I'm curious to know who specifically raped you (so as not to trivialize your serious allegations).

Whoa. Whooooa. You're Irish? Like, real Irish, not black-and-tan-and-protestant-whiskey-drinking Northern Irish? And you're a dyed-in-the-wool pro-government statist at the same time?

I feel as if I just learned so much about you, but at the same time, so very little.

But you do live in the disease. And willing so.

Whoa.

Whoa -- whoa... cool your jets.

It's okay.

I get to.

I have a cat.

whoa, that's terrifying. I still get chills when I remember the Unzen pyroclastic flow video, so it's very surprising to see that the flow (I guess mostly ash?) that hit them was not deadly at that point.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vPRoTQYXwuY

Whoa, that's scary!
*promote

How is it not surprising that the problem sees no problem?

You say : "I don't see people getting beat up, or shot, or assaulted, or arrested for no reason"
So, those that were "beat up, or shot, or assaulted, or arrested", were for a good reason, right?

Ever consider that those reasons are often made up?
Ever consider that the stories you heard around the water cooler were simply B.S., and it was in fact the police simply preying on innocent people?



Just what exactly does LE do for me, or anyone?

Do police have super powers and spidey senses?
Will they magically teleport to someone getting raped, and prevent it?
Will they magically teleport to someone getting run over, and prevent it?
Will they magically teleport to someone getting beaten, and prevent it?
Will they magically teleport to someone getting robbed, and prevent it?
The answer is : no.

Police can't actually /help/ anyone.
They can only show up after the fact, and ask you what happened, and if you know who did it.
If you don't know who it was, tough shit. Sucks to be you.
Unlike on TV, there is no in-depth investigation. The most they do is tell you to call them if you remember something else. (This is speaking from experience)

What if you're not around to even tell them anything? Almost every murder committed by an unrelated stranger without witnesses or video goes unsolved.
Why? Because all police know how to do is ask friends/family where they were, and if everyone has an excuse, police got nothing.

At least when a normal person [that you can identify] harms you, you /can/ call the police, and maybe, just maybe, if they feel like it, they will round them up after the fact.

(They often don't. We've had people dumping trash on our land : police didn't respond. We've had people hunting [strangers shooting guns] on our property : police didn't respond. Brought evidence of a fraud to the police station, with account numbers, names, addresses : we won't investigate. The only time they ever came was to talk with my mother after she reported her credit card number was being used by a stranger - LOL, of all the things, they bother coming for /that/?)

But if the police harm you, you've got nowhere to turn to - but them. And they care more about each other, than some stranger.

Heck, I've been tailgated by a cop, on a multi-lane road, so close his headlights weren't even visible over my trunk. He could have gone around me any time. After miles, when I finally sped up - BAM. Ticket.

I've pulled up to a roadblock by my house, and asked if I could go by. The guy was so incensed that he detained me for hours, and told me I was threatening his life, reckless driving, and not wearing a seatbelt.

I've been threatened by a cop - because I interrupted her chat with her girlfriend to ask for directions around a road they were closing off.

I've been pulled over with gun drawn, for trivial speeding (well below reckless).

Seriously people, every time you get pulled over, you are at risk of getting shot, because someone is trained to be suspicious and paranoid, and they saw something shiny.

Just look at how they behave. Cop shoots his daughter in his own garage, because he thought she was a burglar.
What, too much to ask just to look at the person to see if they're even a burglar? Shoot first ask questions later.

Every year there are multiple cases of police raiding a house and shooting people - only to find out it was the wrong house. What, too much trouble to be a decent human being and just knock first, and ask for whoever they need to come out?

Oh, but that might put them at a greater risk. And we all know that police take MINIMAL risks themselves, and instead risk the lives of the citizens. (Why not approach with gun drawn? At least you're ready to shoot the suspect. And if you accidentally shoot the suspect, oh well, just say they 'attacked'. No biggie. Why take the risk.)
The biggest risk they take, is the one they dream up for when they want to take credit for being the heroes they never were.

Look at the friggin VT shooting. Swarms of cops surrounding a building. Man inside, could be killing more people by the moment... and the cops just camp out and wait for him to kill himself.
Worst part, is if it were my family inside, and I tried to go in and stop the shooter, the police would just shoot me for trying to enter.

(And no, police don't deserve heroic praise. They deserve the _pay_check_ they signed up for. If that's not enough, they should take life more seriously and really think about what it is they're getting into, before they do it. Take responsibility, like an adult should.)

The police are a liability. They're armed. They're selfish. They're paranoid and suspicious. They're jumpy.
IMO, the best thing to do is keep away from them, don't look at them, don't talk to them. Stay away, and stay safe.

Oh yeah, and the police are also immune form the constitution's equal protection clause. "Because interpretation".

Look at the numbers. You are less likely to be arrested or go to jail in NORTH KOREA, than here in the U.S. of A. By a factor of 4 last I checked.
What the heck is going on here?

1 in 18 men is either in jail, on parole, or somewhere in the process of going to jail.
Most of the countries in Europe have smaller populations, than the people that we have 'in the system'. And most of the people we have 'in the system', never even harmed another person. They're just arrested for 'behavior crimes' - simply doing things that are not allowed. This is madness. The system is mad, the police are mad.

You don't end up with videos of a gang of police acting like gangsters, if it's a matter of 'a few bad apples'. They all have to be in the same frame of mind.
If they weren't all of the same frame of mind, one would do something bad, and the others would say "whoa there man, you're out of line".
But instead, they all do it. Because there are no 'bad apples'.
There is 'bad training', and 'bad culture', and it permeates the profession.

And when I say bad, I don't mean that "they are trained to be thugs".
I mean that the police don't see suspects as 'citizens (members of the state) that the police are on the side of'.
Whoever crosses their path is dehumanized. Some kind of "other", that the police need to protect society from. Not realizing that those people /are/ society, and /they/ need protection.
The kind of behavior that I see in these kinds of videos, it's simply treason. Betrayal of the state.

If the laws of this country were written to provide restitution to victims - and there were no laws to simply tell people how to live, and if the police spent their time providing restitution to victims, then I would have nothing but the greatest appreciation for the police.
As it stands, there's very little nobility around this profession. Majority of the job is simply picking on people - sometimes because they did harm, but usually because they mind their own business in an unapproved of way, or for kicks.

-scheherazade

I just caught this yesterday. Whoa!

@eric3579 and any others:

I think the lyrics of what the band members sing are improvised on the spot. The official lyrics are at http://songmeanings.com/songs/view/3530822107859433424/ and lots of the stuff I can make out are clearly not in that version, though it matches the video in my one comment, save the improvised bit the one band member does.

So my best guess based on listening to it many times (time stamps of improvised bits in {}):

I love my god, god made love
I love my god, god made love
I love my god, god made good
I love my god, god made hate
I love my god, god made bad
I love my god, god made me

I don't wanna pray to my maker
[whoa]I just wanna be what I see
Not just who I am, but the pink in golden land
And that wide wild sky over me
Help me to the sun, hey I'm looking everywhere

Pardon god and mom, if what I'm sayin' isn't fair
Hey I'm looking to become, not the prayer but the prayer
And now I don't want to pray
[No] I say I don't wanna pray
[No] I don't wanna pray
Who don't wanna pray

(but still)
I love my god, god made love
I love my god, god made love
I love my god, god made good
I love my god, god made hate
I love my god, god made bad
I love my god, god made me

(but still)
I don't wanna pray to my maker
[No] I just wanna be feelin' free
Not like in a book, or the leaves of trees that shook
From a word that means only not a thing

Pardon god and mom, if what I'm sayin' isn't fair
Hey I'm looking to become, not the prayer but the prayer
And now I don't want to pray
[No] I say I don't wanna pray
[No] I don't wanna pray
Who don't wanna pray

{2:21}(alright Seth)
God ain't some man way high above me
[No] I think god is in the earth and in the land
I love by what I do
So for me I think that its true
That's its hard to worship when I'm on my knees

Pardon god and mom, if what I'm sayin' isn't fair
Hey I'm looking to become, not the prayer but the prayer
And now I don't want to pray
[No] I say I don't wanna pray
[No] I don't wanna pray
Who don't wanna pray

{3:04}(Christian)
When I was a boy my daddy made me
[Whoa] Read a story to him every night
Took me 'till it hurt, that stupid shirt shit don't work
[garbled] tell me to try

Pardon god and mom, if what I'm sayin' isn't fair
Hey I'm looking to become, not the prayer but the prayer
And now I don't want to pray
[No] I say I don't wanna pray
[No] I don't wanna pray
Who don't wanna pray

{3:48}(now Sash(?))
I don't wanna pray to my maker
[No] [Don't let me be a servant?] won't you please
Not like greasy crook or those thevin smiley looks
I just want to be of helpin' if you need

Pardon god and mom, if what I'm sayin' isn't fair
Hey I'm looking to become, not the prayer but the prayer
And now I don't want to pray
[No] I say I don't wanna pray
[No] I don't wanna pray
Who don't wanna pray

{4:35}Now I've seen her in the shadow
I have seen her in the tree
I don't even need to get down on my knees
[garbled followed by laugh]

Pardon god and mom, if what I'm sayin' isn't fair
Hey I'm looking to become, not the prayer but the prayer
And now I don't want to pray
[No] I say I don't wanna pray
[No] I don't wanna pray
Who don't wanna pray

{5:20 slight improv of the normal lines}Well it's alright to talk, long as you are walkin'
And it's alright to take, long as you give
But some say we forgiven and forgotten of our sins
Either way I know for sure, that we all will live again

Pardon god and mom, if what I'm sayin' isn't fair
Hey I'm looking to become, not the prayer but the prayer
And now I don't want to pray
[No] I say I don't wanna pray
[No] I don't wanna pray
Who don't wanna pray

(but still)
I love my god, god made love
I love my god, god made love
I love my god, god made good
I love my god, god made hate
I love my god, god made bad
I love my god, god made me

I just acquired their first album. Whoa man! They are fantastic!

whoa whoa only god can make a tree!

Whoa.