“ It’s your insistence that Jewish people, and the existence of Israel, have always fundamentally been invaders that I was objecting to as it is so intensely at odds with factual history.”
No…it is at odds with your position and is not what I said.
It is factual history that fighting age European Jews came armed and forcibly displaced the natives after being offered sanctuary for their most needy. It is not factual that I claimed it was ever thus. That is clearly not what I said, I said for 10+- years they were getting along as refugees, then started coming in HUGE numbers illegally and taking over.

Those are facts.

I also mentioned a native Jewish population that were not refugees or invaders. Some of them supported the invading Zionists, some didn’t. I’ve never heard of one who opposed them.

“ You gave a brief nod on not being a scholar of Palestinian history, but then proceed to just count all Jewish refugees as good as Zionist aggressors from day 1(or close enough), and the local Arab population as nothing but pure, kind caring victims of these invaders.”

Not even close to true, I said many stood behind the Zionists when they started coming en masse, and didn’t say but seemingly few to none of the native Jews opposed them. I also was clear that at the beginning the refugees acted like refugees, not invaders….I mistakenly gave them more time being grateful than you say they were, according to you Palestinians position is they began the invasion in the 20’s….and theirs is the opinion I care about. I never claimed ALL Arabs were welcoming, but the “nation” as a whole (despite being not self ruling at the time) welcomed a huge number of refugees considering their own population. Way more than elsewhere.

Edit: Britain, who facilitated this invasion, only took in 80000 European Jews in the decade before and during the war, and they were only given transit visas to stay temporarily until they found other accommodations. All of England took in fewer Jewish refugees in all pre war history than Palestine did….England took in 80000, most on temporary visas, Palestine took in 60000 permanently in 1935 alone, and 130000 in 33-36.
Pre-immigration Palestine had about 700000 people. In 1944 European Jews ignored the 1500 visa limit per year and came by the hundred of thousands per year after already completely overwhelming the native population.
Palestine was forcibly invaded by a foreign population exponentially bigger than the native population while Britain kept them too weak to oppose it physically.
That’s an invasion…not on day 1. 🤦‍♂️

“ without being able to writeoff Israel as invaders from day 1, nuance enters the calculus and suddenly the conflict is flooded with shades of grey ”

Again, I said day 3, not day 1, and went on to say that meant 10 years later. Get off your high horse and READ buddy.

I guess I’ll stop here. If you aren’t going to read what I wrote and insist on arguing red herrings you made up yourself, you can do that alone.

Nothing you’ve said changes or excuses the fact that masses of armed violent invaders came to take the land from the natives by force and were successful. The exact date this happened is not only y highly subjective, it’s completely besides the point.
Nothing you’ve said changes or excuses the inhuman treatment they’ve subjected the innocent native civilian population to for 70 years…but you’ve tried.
Nothing you’ve said changes or excuses the intentional targeting of trapped civilians by the military….serious war crimes Israel commits daily.
Nothing you’ve said even hints that you consider Palestinians worthy of consideration themselves, possibly not even human status, definitely not peaceful existence.

Bye

Totally *debunked *lies and bullshit. I saw this on YT and laughed at the stupidity.

1. That was not $81 worth of groceries in 2021. It was a minimum of $175 at full price. I buy groceries in California and I pay attention to prices.
Soda prices have actually gone down in California significantly since since the pandemic ended, so has milk and bacon.
More ridiculous MAGA lies.
He had to cherry pick non sale high price brands to make it that expensive…where’s the video of him buying the same brands not on sale two years ago at 1/2 the price?
Have prices gone up? yes….by 10-15% since 21, not 100%+. 🤦‍♂️

2. Who is the “they” who “printed $10 trillion” @bobknight33? It’s not the Biden administration. I know where at least $8 trillion went…and wouldn’t be a bit surprised to find another $2 trillion spent off the books by the former administration. In fact, if I recall the Trump billionaire tax cuts were expected to cost about $1 trillion per year indefinitely, while the tax vacation for wage earners ended with most paying far more today than pre-Trump….so you can blame almost $3 trillion of Biden’s debt on Trump policy. 😂

Edit- OK, I misheard, I thought he said $89, not $81, and 2021, not 2001…since 2001 prices have gone up almost 75%…still not well over 100%, no where near 140%.
I was thrown by the $10 trillion figure given at the end, because since 2001 the fed has “printed” $30 trillion, not $10 trillion. $10 trillion is what MAGA nuts claim Biden has added.

Ooooh….Trump on the stand was a disaster.
Couldn’t speak up. Couldn’t answer questions. Couldn’t stay on topic so badly the judge repeatedly told him to stop telling stories and answer the questions. He shot back with “why, you’re just going to rule against me anyway.”…a self fulfilling prophecy if I’ve ever heard one.

When he did answer, his answers were insanity like “banks don’t care about financial statements, I know, I’ve been doing this a long time.” Not a good idea to remind the judge that there are hundreds more instances of major fraud you aren’t being prosecuted for because of the statute of limitations.

Turns out banks DO care, and will be suing for the $180 million he cheated them out of in interest by lying about his collateral, plus interest and penalties…assuming he isn’t stripped of every dime by New York State first by disgorgement….which is taking back ill gotten gains.

Also nonsensical shit like “I could have added my brand value and immediately made those properties worth 10 to 100 times as much” forgetting that not only had they doubled the value or more for his “brand value” but again for “presidential value”.

And “they undervalued my properties here by 1000 times!” forgetting that not only was the $18-24 million appraised value agreed on and signed off by Trump, he actually went to court to get it lowered claiming Maralago WASN’T worth +-$20 million it was worth far LESS. Now he’s in court telling everyone that was another pure tax fraud lie he told in Florida to cheat Florida out of tens of millions in property taxes…if Maralago is really worth billions, not $18 million he claims for taxes, that means Trump owes evaded property taxes on $982000000, over $10 million per year for as long as he’s owned it….plus penalties and interest. That’s his DEFENSE! 🤦‍♂️ 😂

Most of his testimony was stricken as rambling and non responsive.

He was nearly thrown out of court for his out of control behavior. He acted like a spoiled three year old. Don’t be surprised if there’s a major contempt charge this afternoon….possibly remand.

Edit: Also don’t be surprised if he’s just dismissed from the stand, has his testimony stricken completely, and as the judge has warned the judge takes every negative inference possible, assuming every answer he would have given was the worst possible answer for Trump. That seems to be Trumps plan…attempt anything to later make the argument at appeal that the judge was biased and didn’t give Trump a fair trial…but the record proves otherwise and appeals courts read the record. That ploy won’t work…Trump’s lawyers are awful. It’s never a good strategy to try to lose as big as possible in court.

Now, keep in mind, this is just New York, where he’s already been found guilty and they’re just determining the punishment….other states he’s done fraudulent business in are undoubtedly watching closely to see if they should file next.

I love it when a plan comes together.

That’s not entirely true…every now and then he comes to his own defense using a sock puppet account. 😂

It’s been clear from day 1 that he only comes here to troll, clearly not caring that no one buys his propaganda ever. Clearly not caring that he constantly makes himself a fool. It’s 100% about “owning the libs” (even if only in his own mind), with no thought to how he’s actually owning himself by making himself a foolish liar in everyone’s eyes but his own.

He’s not a serious or adult person, he’s a cautionary tale about not being educated and believing things based on whether he thinks they fit his current narrative, not based on reality or reason nor what he claimed yesterday.

Best is his Fonzie style inability to ever admit he’s w-w-w-wrong despite being 100% wrong 99.96% of the time and being caught at it with proof he’s lying 95% of the time.

I note he only averages 4.9 votes per video because Sifty apparently counts negative votes as votes. He sifts under 10 videos per year, and those are only sifted because he finally posted something that’s not pure MAGA propaganda and the sift wants to reward and encourage him to get off his insane politics.

Again, Bobby gets it 100% backwards. Not surprising since he gets 100% of his information from random internet trolls that make a living by lying to MAGgots. Can’t blame them, MAGgots will buy any stupid claim as long as it’s made up and nonsensical.

Democrats aren’t “all for illegals”, they are all for fixing the intentionally broken legal immigration system, but republicans block each and every attempt to fund border patrol or immigration courts, then go on tv and tell Latin America that America’s borders are wide open and they’re welcomed by most Americans and the government, then go on to blame those who say “the borders aren’t open and don’t come” for the people who show up. Just ludicrous….like everything bobby claims.

This manufactured “crisis” is 100% thanks to failed Republican border plans (like build the fence, and close the immigration courts), and the governor of Texas and Florida should be prosecuted for thousands of cases of trafficking undocumented aliens across state borders, a crime called Domestic Transporting: Subsection 1324(a)(1)(A)(ii) makes it a crime for any person, with knowledge or reckless disregard of the alien’s illegal immigration status, to transport an alien within the United States by any means of transportation, that has a penalty of up to 10 years per case, and he’s knowingly transported thousands.

Why don’t we just call righties what they are, idiotic criminal bigots.

At least my dreams are based in reality, unlike yourself who simply dismisses any fact that’s inconvenient.
What I said is an undeniable fact to anyone who looks at the statistics. Crime is consistently worse per capita in red states.

Newt per you words "Did no one else notice the completely homogenous angry white middle age crowd?" means nothing.

Blacks feel the same pain as everyone else and identifies with it .

You are schilling for the 1% or goverment? why? You a Tool for the man.

Show me a reaction video from a black perspective that is against it.

You are correct. 😂
The rapist Trump has used over $55 million of campaign donations for his own legal woes, he pays his family $60k per minute from campaign donations to scream on stage, he claims he pays hundreds of thousands of dollars from political donations for Melania’s hair, he took donations from Russians and Ukrainian separatists, his daughter took tens of millions from the Chinese to curry favor during trade talks, his son took two BILLION from Saudis for selling state secrets and looking the other way as they murdered American journalists, he stole from his charity for disabled veterans and is barred from participating in any charity now, he ran a fraudulent school, he paid millions for redlining at his properties, Jr met Russians to trade favors for dirt on Clinton. AND DON’T FORGET HE’S OFFICIALLY A RAPIST! The rapist Trump’s family are a megalomaniac crime family with a delusional cult funding them.

They are unlike Biden or BLM that both produce results for the small donations they receive from American citizens. I know of no accusation of Joe using campaign funds for personal or family expenditures….Trump does it as a matter of course.

Not just excuses, grift, baseless accusations, and moaning for billions in foreign bribes, but results like major economic recovery/boom and actual meaningful police reform for an alleged few million or less in American dollars (or in Joe’s case, for a small salary).

The Trumps sold America to China and the Saudis.

This is verifiable fact.

You only have baseless just stupid accusations against Biden, like the brainless accusation that Hunter took billions from China….where is it then? Where’s the paper trail? The evidence? Even the “whistleblowers” had absolutely nothing to say that helped impugn either Biden. Not a single thing found in years besides tax evasion, Trump’s favorite crime besides maybe rape…no banking trail, no bribery, no espionage, no election fraud, no sedition, no rights violations, nor a single rape between them either! 😂

Such delusion…. you know all this, but still pretend the rapist Trump isn’t a criminal and Dark Brandon is. 😂 😂 😂 How’s that working out?

I don't get the big deal. People ask for stupid things to be done to their remains, including things that they think will give the everlasting life (albeit in heaven). This is more wasteful per corpse and I hope the practice doesn't get popular for that reason, but I'd say the waste pales in comparison to something like bitcoin mining.

I found the video itself interesting enough, particularly since it wasn't advocating the practice in any way.

I do disagree with the 'death is bad' premise, even though someone very close to me was recently given a few years to live. If no one dies we get unsustainable buildup of humans, and if only some people get to live forever that's probably worse.

You think that's the worst idea ever? In the immortal words of the jailer from Life Of Brian, it's not as nasty as something I just thought up.

Really bob?
With the constant grift from your hero, paying his family $60000 per minute to introduce each other at his events, using $50 million of campaign donations for his personal legal troubles already, and he’s only had one trial so far and isn’t paying his lawyers!?! How do you even do that? EDIT: OK, we now know a bit of how, he paid $340k for Giuliani to pay off his debt to the company holding all his data/documents…and then Giuliani admitted to the defamation and liability and that he had no evidence of his public claims, so the data became moot! 😂

With Jared getting $2 BILLION for selling top secret intelligence information to the Saudis so they could target and murder any opposition?
With all the Trumps permanently barred from charity work because they simply stole donations from the charities they ran using them like personal piggy banks?
You really want to start pointing fingers about who made how much dirty money and how? 😂
Even if the accusations aren’t just more admissions (and I know for certain they are), do you really think the creators of BLM getting paid to run it is some gotcha!?! 😂
Sucker.

Once again, I welcome your dire predictions because your prognostication skills are nill, and when you predict something it’s near guaranteed to not come to pass.

I wonder if you even know what you mean by “ Unemployment will go up per FED”. It sounds like you are saying the fed raising rates will raise unemployment rates as they lower inflation. Is that what you’re saying?

Yes, unemployment WILL go up from historical lows we see today, that’s a given. That in no way indicates the fed, or Biden administration are screwing things up, it actually indicates they know what they’re doing and have a good handle on the economy. Dow up 700 today, near 1000 for the week. Jobs created numbers are unexpectedly good, and average wages are rising FAST (4 times faster than under the last administration according to the SSA, contrary to your assertion)…only you could see this and think “I was right, it’s falling apart from poor leadership”.



Go on and erase this post, since I know you’re too infantile not to. It makes me feel really accomplished every time a post gets to you so bad you need to erase it, and that’s quite a lot lately. 😂

Unemployment will go up per FED.

The jobs added were lower paying jobs.

Time my friend give it time.

Jobs #s revised UP by almost 20%! May numbers are even better, 340000 new jobs in May.
Unemployment fell farther thanks to the fed curbing inflation.
Better #s to come.



😂😂😂😂😂

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Bobby said: Jobe will be revised down by 30% over next few updates
Unemployment will go up 50-%. Per FEDs desire to curb inflation.

Worse #s to come.

ROTFLMFAHS!!!
Biden has cut the deficit in half, by over $1.5 TRILLION PER YEAR since 2020. Trump raised it every year, more than tripling it in 2020! You clearly haven’t thought your position through.

So that’s a “yes”…you support the terroristic taking the economy hostage and murdering it if the right isn’t capitulated too like a kidnapper with his knife to your children’s throats. You think the right thing to do is give the terrorist kidnapper anything they want and let them walk away to do it again next week. Sinking ever lower, Gary.

America doesn’t negotiate with terrorists, that only emboldens them….if you were an American and not a terrorist you would know that.

You support terroristic legislating by blackmail because you know your party is incapable of Democratic legislating and has no love for America or its citizens. You support economy destroying threats because your party only knows how to destroy economies but you hope they can blame Biden if he signs off on any “deal”.


1) you were more than fine with spending like a drunken sailor on things that hurt America when Trump added 1/3 of the total debt in one term, crashed the economy, blew up the debt and deficit, killed 1 million Americans and disabled 2 million, and created 15% unemployment…you actually want to go back. Biden has spent exponentially less, and boosted revenue massively, both help the debt.
2) you moron, paying the bills you already racked up isn’t spending more. Not paying them is WASTING TRILLIONS for absolutely nothing…clearly what the right prefers. You want to max out the credit card on nonsense for 4 years then tell Democrats they can’t spend a dime except on Republican corporate welfare programs or you’ll just not pay the bill and get the card cancelled, knowing it will make the entire family homeless, handing the family farm over to China who holds our debt and can forclose. 🤦‍♂️

Estimates are near 8 million jobs lost and over $10 TRILLION in private stock losses expected in just the short term, far worse if it’s a long term problem…TRILLIONS in government losses and TRILLIONS MORE EVERY YEAR in higher interest rates…a complete government shutdown as government employees go unpaid so stop working (but continue to rack up salaries that will be paid eventually, for not working)…and a global depression worse than the Republican caused deregulation recession of ‘08.

I dare you to claim evaporating $10 trillion somehow SAVES money….I double dog dare you.

You are prepared to get poorer for nothing at all while STILL having the debt grow thanks to Trump’s outrageous spending spree, but are insistent that Republican spending not lose a dime.
Every Republican program should be cancelled first, all those contracts/bills to build the wall defaulted, all those military programs making equipment we no longer use cancelled, million dollar fake “investigations” that have only exposed the criminal hypocrisy of the right and not corroborated a single accusation cancelled, the tax breaks for billionaires and corporations that did NOT create a boom they caused a crash cancelled, any and all federal payments to red states cancelled because it only makes them reliant on the federal government which is like slavery…then not only would no loss of the societal safety net (guaranteeing a wave of homelessness never seen), 1 million vets would not be made homeless, etc AND the debt would actually be lowered.

You love the idea of getting poorer for spite and nothing more, dumbshit. If you just stop paying your credit card, the debt isn’t forgiven, it raises exponentially with higher interest and fees and lowers your ability to borrow more, that’s what’s already happened and will be so much worse in the depression by choice the right wants to cause. The money will still be spent, it will just cost exponentially more to borrow it.

Republicans have left the Capitol for their 5 day weekend to return Tuesday to restart “negotiations” they are pretending to be involved in, meaning default is now guaranteed without some legal wrangling by Biden to end run them. He should have done so in February.

The damage this is going to cause the economy is ten fold what it claims to be trying to save. It is clearly not about saving money, it’s 100% about blocking any democratic legislation by usurping the president is control of the purse strings. You would never accept this from the left. You know it too.

I know anyone not a brain dead cultist slug knows this, this fight isn’t over the debt, it’s about control…control from the minority by terrorism. We need a second amendment solution…only 20 representatives need to miss the vote for sanity to return.

Sotomayor too.
Took millions in book advances from a publisher that had cases before the court, and she did not recuse herself.
I say take them all out 1 per month to give time to replace them without a two year hiatus without a court, in descending order of total bribes received. Remove any that took unreported “gifts” over $100 from one source and any that took reported money from those with cases and didn’t recuse themselves. Either is 100% unacceptable from a justice, and disqualifies the entire standing court, invalidating every decision this group made and necessitating a retrial of every single one. Corrupt decisions cannot stand without invalidating the entire system.