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The news camera guy versus the fire bomber

SFOGuy says...

Egads...
That's sad.
They build the 747 on spec---I guess we just didn't have enough fires to support it.
Though paradoxically, this year, we might.

Payback said:

Evergreen went bankrupt as of Jan 1.

The news camera guy versus the fire bomber

SFOGuy says...

thank you!
Personal fantasy; in my next career, I want to be a fire bomber pilot (twin engine propeller would fine)---flying beat up old aircraft into giant smoke plumes...1000-2000 gallons on each pass

The DC-10 shown here is a beast of an entirely different nature. It can drop 12,000 gallons---

There is even, though I've not seen San Diego footage---a 747 conversion that can drop 20,000 gallons on each pass

kulpims said:

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Hummingbird Hawk Moth

DrewNumberTwo says...

If it's true that separate people can design things which are similar, then we're done. Your point is invalid. Your analogy about 747s is irrelevant, but even if it wasn't, it still isn't an accurate analogy since two 747s are the exact same design. We're talking about similar designs, and there are many, many airplanes that have a design that's similar to a 747.

Evolution, though, isn't a designer. It's just a word we use to describe a process. That process results in some life looking similar to other life, which isn't surprising considering that many of the environments that have life are similar.

Your assertion about the hummingbird wing being independently developed straining credulity and probability is just a bare assertion. Similar things have happened many times. I don't understand why it's surprising that species in a similar environment would development similar solutions to similar problems. To say that they were designed by a force that you don't understand isn't reasonable. It's not even an explanation.

shinyblurry said:

It's true that separate people can design things which are similar, however, let us say that you saw two 747s flying on different continents..would you assume that they were separately designed?

According to your beliefs, as some have pointed out, the hummingbird and hummingmoth were designed by the evolutionary process, so the observation would hold true; a common design does indicate a common designer. You may believe that designer is evolution, and the miracle of the hummingbird wing was independently developed in the hummingmoth, but that strains credulity and probability. It is more reasonable to believe that they were intelligently designed.

It would not be correct to say that I assume that there is a design. I know there is a design because I know there is a God.

Hummingbird Hawk Moth

shinyblurry says...

It's true that separate people can design things which are similar, however, let us say that you saw two 747s flying on different continents..would you assume that they were separately designed?

According to your beliefs, as some have pointed out, the hummingbird and hummingmoth were designed by the evolutionary process, so the observation would hold true; a common design does indicate a common designer. You may believe that designer is evolution, and the miracle of the hummingbird wing was independently developed in the hummingmoth, but that strains credulity and probability. It is more reasonable to believe that they were intelligently designed.

It would not be correct to say that I assume that there is a design. I know there is a design because I know there is a God.

DrewNumberTwo said:

If that were true, then people wouldn't be able to design things that are similar to other things. Yet, almost everything that is designed is similar to something else. Of course, your real mistake is the fallacy of many questions. You assume there is a design, but that isn't proven.

Cargo Plane Falls Out Of The Sky

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Tags for this video have been changed from 'Bagram Air Field, Afghanistan' to 'Bagram Air Field, Afghanistan, 747, Takeoff, Stall' - edited by calvados

Cargo Plane Falls Out Of The Sky

Tojja says...

Some educated speculation from FlightGlobal:

"Crews taking off from military bases like Bagram in hostile territory normally plan to climb at the maximum climb angle, to put them at the greatest height above ground level achievable by the time they cross the airfield boundary. This entails a high nose attitude that is maintained for longer than normal, rather than trading climb angle for greater airspeed to make the aircraft easier to handle and safer in the event of an engine failure.

In this film there is no clear visual evidence of a missile travelling toward the aircraft, nor of the explosion or fire that a missile would cause if it were to detonate.

The risks of a maximum angle of climb departure are many. If an engine fails very soon after take-off there is a lower airspeed than normal. Slower speed reduces the rudder authority that keeps the aircraft straight and lowers the margin above stalling speed. In the event of an engine failure it is essential for the crew to push the nose down fast to maintain a safe speed with the lower power output.

Another major risk is that if any cargo is not adequately secured in the hold, the high climb angle will cause the payload to slide backward. This could unbalance the aircraft and cause the nose to pitch up, possibly overwhelming the elevator authority available to the pilots if they attempt to push the nose down."

http://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/video-flightglobal-expert-analyses-bagram-747-crash-sequence-385338/?cmpid=SOC|FGFG|twitterfeed|Flightglobal

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dag says...

Comment hidden because you are ignoring dag. (show it anyway)

I'm going to go all PBS fund drive and send out thanks to @SFOGuy for Chartering for a year. Not only does he run a damn fine airport, he's totally forgiven for duping that 747 crash video.

Cargo Plane Falls Out Of The Sky

Cargo Plane Falls Out Of The Sky

zor says...

I'm thinking this might be the only video ever of a 747 crash. Also, am I paying to fly MRAPS OUT of Afghanistan? Leave them there, please.

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