...and I envision you sitting in your sandbox you share with your kittycat with bubbles floating out of your cranial orifices, grabbing your pigtails, turning red as you puff your cheeks and hold your breath.

but I digress.



>> ^bareboards2:

"It would be correct."
No offense intended @<a rel="nofollow" href="http://videosift.com/member/chicchorea" title="member since October 15th, 2009" class="profilelink">chicchorea, I know you are sincere and passionate about this subject, but it is hard for me to read that sentence in anything other than a strict German accent.
This place is supposed to be fun, not a regimented and rigid response to rules, isn't it?
Does it have to be so... perfect? Can't we bend? Can't we play?
And yes, I think that fair is in the equation, like @blankfist said. I want to be fair. I want to be playful. I want ease.

Even though it's gimmicky, I'll keep playing my Bulletstorm and maybe Crysis 2 (you know, a real engine). These games also don't need to suck the U.S. Military Industrial Complex's Dick at every turn.

I'm so tired of military shooters and even sci-fi shooters (and that includes Crysis, but Crysis saved itself with an amazing engine and sandbox gameplay, "an Oblivion FPS") that have to have their military command and objective structure, copying each other, not too mention they all come out from basically the same three companies...

I still think the engine to beat is the Crysis or Crytek's engine. To me it would be great for everything from RPGs to puzzlers, but they don't have the toolset like Unreal does. You can look at the top FPS games across the board and all of them but Bulletstorm have a military oriented gameplay or mechanic driving it. To an old-school gamer it's incredibly frustrating to have such a bland choice of games.

They are ALL the same except for textures, voice work, animation, and what comes out the tip of the big pointy thing. Exciting... I'd rather play Crysis I over again and again, or Portal, or Half-Life 2... Sorry, but Halo goes in with the ad nauseum group.

You bring the Wrath of God on you, sinner!
http://wiki.videosift.com/index.php/Sandbox

Yeah, I knew it was SlipperyPete, and I knew that you'd know too. But I didn't want to be too much of a tattletale.
In reply to this comment by gwiz665:
There's history. It was slipperypete. I kill him!
In reply to this comment by kronosposeidon:
Here you go:

http://wiki.videosift.com/index.php/Sandbox

Check out the bottom of the page. Maybe on the Sandbox page anything goes. And no, it wasn't me.

There's history. It was @SlipperyPete. I kill him!
In reply to this comment by kronosposeidon:
Here you go:

http://wiki.videosift.com/index.php/Sandbox

Check out the bottom of the page. Maybe on the Sandbox page anything goes. And no, it wasn't me.

Here you go:

http://wiki.videosift.com/index.php/Sandbox

Check out the bottom of the page. Maybe on the Sandbox page anything goes. And no, it wasn't me.

>> ^MilkmanDan:

Yep, I have Fable 1. I'd agree that Fable 1 isn't really a sandbox game, but there are so few games that are that I tend to take games that aren't really in that mold and play them as if they were. As long as I don't have to screw around with too much story to get to where I can just run along and do my own thing, I can live with it.
Even the GTA series, probably the most popular example of a fairly "pure" sandbox design, often require you to do some random story crap before you actually open up the map... There's always roadblocks at the start of the game unless you mod them out!


The reason I'd say this isn't a sandbox game is not because you can't dick around, but that dicking around is not actually any fun. If you choose to ignore your quests and just go exploring, what you find is some random enemies, a bunch of locked doors and locked treasure chests.

This is because every bit of the world is designed for one quest or another. Exploring only allows you to go through a broken version of a place you WILL definitely be lead through on a quest a bit later.

And the minigames of lutehero, real estate buyer and idiot NPC seducer don't count because, again, they're each just terrible.

Then again I'm not impartial, I have a special hatred for this game because my savegame got corrupted 10 hours in. There's exactly one autosave slot, no backups and no manual saves allowed. So you're just screwed if that happens. And it happens for no apparent reason, it's not linked to any hardware or power failure.

>> ^MilkmanDan:

Yep, I have Fable 1. I'd agree that Fable 1 isn't really a sandbox game, but there are so few games that are that I tend to take games that aren't really in that mold and play them as if they were. As long as I don't have to screw around with too much story to get to where I can just run along and do my own thing, I can live with it.
Even the GTA series, probably the most popular example of a fairly "pure" sandbox design, often require you to do some random story crap before you actually open up the map... There's always roadblocks at the start of the game unless you mod them out!


Morrowind, Fallout, Gothic, Risen, Oblivion, Just Cause 2, are all more sanboxy than Fable. Maybe even The Witcher, though that is strongly story driven but in a very good way, much more gray and mature than Fable.

Fable 3 was my last chance for Peter M. He fucked me with B&W, and he fucked me with the first two fables... always over-promising and under-delivering. And like an abusive relationship, I bought into the hype and let him fuck me again, but I swear this is the LAST TIME. NO MORE.

What pissed me off the most about the sudden change at the end of Fable 3 is that it was symptomatic of very bad setup and story telling. Quest after quest, I was told to do one thing, but in reality the game expected me to do something else.

The best example of this was the quest early on where the game told me that I needed to go and buy a disguise. The in game "GPS" kept leading me back to a pie making mini-game and whenever I went to the store where the disguise was, it just wasn't an option to buy... at no point in this frustrating moment did it tell me that I didn't have enough money for the disguise, or that the pie game would give me said money. Instead it just FORCED me to do the damned pie game because basically there wasn't anything else I could do.

My problem with this is that my frustration could have VERY easily been quelled by one of two things: 1. A price on the fucking disguise or 2. Just something in the quest log itself to TELL me that I didn't have the money necessary and that I needed to go off and do mini-games till I had the funds.

This was basically my experience all the way through. The game wants to fake being a sandbox when in reality it has a VERY clear path it wants you to take, sometimes absurdly so and with little logic to it.

Mind you, I was patient enough to sludge through most of the game after I caught on that I just should not expect logic or ask questions. That was until the end. Yatzee hit the nail on the head, the arbitrary nature of the way the end creeps up on you is pretty much game-breaking. The ideals situation would have been one where I was given the opportunity to KNOW that I would be required to grind out 6mil coin BEFORE the stupid 1 year timer with it's absolutely horrible good/evil choices bullshit came up.

Peter M. must be fucking Frederich Nietzsche because clearly he's gone beyond good and evil with his understanding of what those words mean. I don't think I've ever been as pissed off at a game's concept of good/evil ever.

Fuck you Molyneux. You are the M. Night Shamaylan of the gaming world. Populous was your Six Sense and you've basically shit on us ever since. I vow never to buy another one of your games. (not that he's reading this, but it just feels good to make that assertion)

Yep, I have Fable 1. I'd agree that Fable 1 isn't really a sandbox game, but there are so few games that *are* that I tend to take games that aren't really in that mold and play them as if they were. As long as I don't have to screw around with *too much* story to get to where I can just run along and do my own thing, I can live with it.

Even the GTA series, probably the most popular example of a fairly "pure" sandbox design, often require you to do some random story crap before you actually open up the map... There's always roadblocks at the start of the game unless you mod them out!

Have you played Fable 1 on PC? Granted there's not the property ownership and selling, but that's the only difference. It's not a sandbox.

Still waiting on this for PC. I'm enough of a sandbox-type game player that I just hope that I can ignore a lot of the storyline to a large extent, but Yahtzee's comments here make it sound like perhaps that doesn't work.

All sandbox games for the top 3? Ewww.

From what I've read up, this is a move based on the movement towards HTML5. iFrame allows for sandboxing of content, which in turn allows for greater control at the source, rather than the client, side of things. So rather than seeing a dead vid you'd get a mini-page stating that it's been removed/blocked. This is good on the dev side, but on ours we're handing more control over to YouTube et al for the content. Don't want to allow embedding? Sure, just throw up a nice page (with extra emphasis on throwing up) stating why. No matter you break every goddamn page that has already linked to it.

Probably for the same reason people don't see the guy in the gorilla suit pass by, selective attention. It is far easier when watching a video of a person play a game to catch what they are missing, but another thing while in game to miss it.



>> ^ForgedReality:

HOW DID HE NOT SEE THAT EFFING CREEPER BEFORE HE DROPPED DOWN!? Oh man.


You could put the game on Peaceful mode, and I think I would if I was making a tutorial like this one, but that sort of ruins the fun of playing the game itself. It isn't just a sandbox game. If you want that play the free Classic version. Half the fun is fending off the enemy and protecting yourself.

>> ^PHJF:

Why is there no way to disable the zombies? Does anyone actually want them? If I were playing with my K'Nex and some zombie came up and killed me I'd throw the fucking K'Nex out. It's a sandbox game, not Resident Evil.
I've never played Minecraft and so do not know if there is some way to disable zombie attacks.