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Why Flying is So Expensive

oritteropo says...

Perhaps it would have been better to say that fuel isn't the only reason. The Airbus A320 in this example has roughly 55% better fuel efficiency than a pre oil crisis Boeing 707, although as Jimbo's big bag'o'trivia points out, that's barely better than the 1950s era prop planes like the Douglas DC-7.

Better automation has also allowed the A320 to reduce the staffing requirements, the 707 required 3 or 4 crew to operate the aircraft, but the A320 only requires 2. The DC-7 also requires 3 crew, but only seats half the passengers (doubling the flight crew costs per passenger).

Greater competition is probably a larger factor. Talking about airline profitability and competition, Warren Buffett joked that had a farsighted capitalist had been present at Kitty Hawk for the Wright Brothers' first flight, he would have done his successors a huge favor by shooting Orville down.

transmorpher said:

I'm confused. He starts with saying that fuel is not the reason why flying costs a lot, and then he concludes with: "flying is getting cheaper because airplanes are more fuel efficient"

Airbus A320 Low Visibility Landing in Zürich.

Airbus A320 Low Visibility Landing in Zürich.

dag says...

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Jeez what's that do to the confidence of the pilot if the computer is calling him a retard right before touchdown. I had an ex-girlfriend like that, but she called me that when I was parallel parking, same thing. Retard! Retard! you hit the curb again.>> ^CrushBug:

>> ^mrsid:
What a retard!

I didn't get that until right at the end of the video

Airbus A320 Low Visibility Landing in Zürich.

GeeSussFreeK says...

>> ^Quboid:

My brother, a hobby pilot, used to do landings like this time after time in MS Flight Simulator X. They've good for testing your navigation skills and using the instruments. I tried a few too, I found VFR flying in real to be much easier than IFR in FSX.


That is not unlike real life. Looking out of window at 20k at 400 miles per hour isn't exactly telling at times, even without cloud cover. Only on an approach you have done dozens of times in the same conditions will the "look" of a particular landing be helpful. This isn't unlike most areas of life, things you don't do often, how they look isn't very useful, now a checklist...that is useful no matter how many times! This is why all aspects of planes and checklist based. For any given day you might be on several different planes on a large variety of different airports. That isn't always the case, many times they get similar kinds of routes over and over with the same equipment, but that does change from time to time.

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Airbus A320 Low Visibility Landing in Zürich.

Malcolm Gladwell--Why Koreans Don't Make the Best Pilots

Krupo says...

My friend's comments on the content itself:

I have never heard anyone be so full of shit before. Look at the NTSB site for their review of crashes. None of them are actually caused by 'co-pilot to afraid to speak up'. Most (almost 100%) are caused by parts failure or training error:

- using the aileron on an A320 like you would in a B767 . http://www.airdisaster.com/news/1004/26/news.shtml

- Birds flying in to the engine (Miracle on the Hudson)

- Entertainment system burning up (the new entertainment system they installed caught fire, smoldered, light the 'inflamable' fire protection on fire which burned so hot it melted the flight controls)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swissair_Flight_111

- Maintenance crew not putting an engine on right:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Airlines_Flight_191

- Shot down by russians:
http://www.airdisaster.com/cgi-bin/view_details.cgi?date=09011983®=HL7442&airline=Korean+Air+Lines

Also, Korean Airlines hasn't had a crash since 1999. Also, throughout the whole of the 90s (where malcom says they were the most dangerous airline) had 6 crashes. Whereas Aeroflot had 13 crashes, I mean, American Airlines (the airline not all american airlines) had 6 crashes from 1990 to 2001.

So basically this guy is using the recent plane crashes to sell his damn book. What a douchebag.

BREAKING NEWS US Airways Plane Crashes in Hudson River

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BREAKING NEWS US Airways Plane Crashes in Hudson River

Zonbie (Member Profile)

A320 nearly crashes during crosswind approach

ReverendTed says...

Un>> ^Zor:
That just goes to show those planes are sturdier than people give them credit for, and the engines, too.
Unfortunately, the Boeing 777 Wing Stress Test video is dead. That more than aptly demonstrated how flexible aircraft wings really are.

A320 nearly crashes during crosswind approach

maatc says...

>> ^rychan:
What do you do after something like that? Divert to another airport? But wind like that is hardly a localized situation.


Storm was all over central Europe on Saturday, so he really did not have a choice.

If the wind is steady it is usually not a problem I guess.
The problem in this case was the strong gust of wind right before he touched down. Hamburg tower reported that they had a few touch and go landings on saturday but they have never seen anything like this before.

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