Didn't the original Deus Ex come out BEFORE Daikatana?

>> ^ponceleon:

Didn't the original Deus Ex come out BEFORE Daikatana?


Apparently not. I played Deus Ex years after it came out, I got a free copy with a new video card I bought (Back when they'd package 3 or 4 games with a video card). It was a great experience, and so far I've been hearing nothing but good things about the new one.

Now don't get me wrong, when it comes to most video games, I am usually a bit on the anally-completionist side, but given the option to just run past a boss (actually, every boss) in Human Revolution, I would have done it in an instant.

If only that had been carried that over

Best PC game of all time? You gotta be joking.

I played it when the game came out, and while I agree that it is a good game, it did not provide you with any experience that was truly novel or exceptional.

The story was forgettable - whatever choices you made storywise were inconsequential, with the entire game boiling down to picking one of 3 different endings during the last mission.

The shooter elements were not as fun/polished/balanced as contemporary games like Half-Life. The stealth elements were not as well executed as games like Thief. The RPG elements lacked the depth of other cRPGs like Fallout. The atmosphere and immersion was limited by the technology - the setting of a cyberpunk metropolis just wasn't believable.

And finally, the idea of a shooter-RPG hybrid and different gameplay approaches to the same problem was already done before by System Shock 2, which with its excellent atmosphere and survival horror elements, is a much better game IMO.

And with Diablo 2, Baldur's Gate 2, Thief 2, and The Sims all coming out in 2000, I wouldn't even call Deus Ex game of the year material.

Thats interesting, not long ago I finished System Shock 2 (impossible? no its not) and enjoyed it so much I was planning to play Deus Ex with a few mods to update the graphics a bit, maybe I shouldnt bother.

>> ^mentality:

Best PC game of all time? You gotta be joking.
I played it when the game came out, and while I agree that it is a good game, it did not provide you with any experience that was truly novel or exceptional.
The story was forgettable - whatever choices you made storywise were inconsequential, with the entire game boiling down to picking one of 3 different endings during the last mission.
The shooter elements were not as fun/polished/balanced as contemporary games like Half-Life. The stealth elements were not as well executed as games like Thief. The RPG elements lacked the depth of other cRPGs like Fallout. The atmosphere and immersion was limited by the technology - the setting of a cyberpunk metropolis just wasn't believable.
And finally, the idea of a shooter-RPG hybrid and different gameplay approaches to the same problem was already done before by System Shock 2, which with its excellent atmosphere and survival horror elements, is a much better game IMO.
And with Diablo 2, Baldur's Gate 2, Thief 2, and The Sims all coming out in 2000, I wouldn't even call Deus Ex game of the year material.

I never got to finish Deus Ex: there was some glitch that prevented me from proceeding. I'll get around to it again one day.

I agree about System Shock 2: it is superlative in just about every way. Plus it's got co-op which was unheard of in 2000. There's a vid of me playing SS2 co-op with my sister on the YouTubes if anyone's interested.

The new Deus Ex game was a lot of fun too. Probably not like SS2 but very solid gaming nonetheless.

I disagree with Mentality. Deus Ex was great and there were actually a lot of things that changed the game fundamentally as you played (like your brother living or dying about 1/2 the way through. Judging it by today's standards it is a bit rough and tough, but at the time it was a masterpiece.

As for the new one, it is great. It is definitely making me forget about the abortion that was Invisible War.

Oh and if you liked SS2, you will LOVE the original Deus Ex.

>> ^moodonia:

Thats interesting, not long ago I finished System Shock 2 (impossible? no its not) and enjoyed it so much I was planning to play Deus Ex with a few mods to update the graphics a bit, maybe I shouldnt bother.
>> ^mentality:
Best PC game of all time? You gotta be joking.
I played it when the game came out, and while I agree that it is a good game, it did not provide you with any experience that was truly novel or exceptional.
The story was forgettable - whatever choices you made storywise were inconsequential, with the entire game boiling down to picking one of 3 different endings during the last mission.
The shooter elements were not as fun/polished/balanced as contemporary games like Half-Life. The stealth elements were not as well executed as games like Thief. The RPG elements lacked the depth of other cRPGs like Fallout. The atmosphere and immersion was limited by the technology - the setting of a cyberpunk metropolis just wasn't believable.
And finally, the idea of a shooter-RPG hybrid and different gameplay approaches to the same problem was already done before by System Shock 2, which with its excellent atmosphere and survival horror elements, is a much better game IMO.
And with Diablo 2, Baldur's Gate 2, Thief 2, and The Sims all coming out in 2000, I wouldn't even call Deus Ex game of the year material.

Step by step guide to making Deus Ex look much much more bearable...
http://knotstheinane.blogspot.com/2011/03/deus-ex-modding-guide.html

I'll agree with it not being the best game of all time--I enjoyed SS2 a fair bit more--but Deus Ex is still a fantastic game.

@mentality disagree. Although I wouldn't call DX THE best PC game of all time but it's definitely one of the best.

Still haven't completed DX: Human Revolution yet (almost there i think) but it's fantastic. They've done a fantastic job at recreating the atmopshere and style of the original game yet modernising it in all the good ways. It's not without it's faults but I commend Eidos Montreal and I now look forward to seeing what Thief 4 becomes after being burned by Deadly Shadows

>> ^ponceleon:

Didn't the original Deus Ex come out BEFORE Daikatana?


Daikatana: April 14, 2000
Deus Ex: June 26, 2000

I'm playing the sequel right now. Have to say I'm enjoying the action a bit more than the story. Is it just me or does everyone talk a little too much? Every character in the game has logorrhea.

Like, I don't need to have a conversation with my helicopter pilot every single time she picks me up and drops me off.

At least I'm actually paying attention to the story and the boring dialogue. Have to admit much as I love sci-fi, and even though it was brand new when I was playing it, I could not get into the story of the first Deus Ex at all... and once you play an hour of that game without paying attention to the story... good luck.

>> ^budzos:

I'm playing the sequel right now. Have to say I'm enjoying the action a bit more than the story. Is it just me or does everyone talk a little too much? Every character in the game has logorrhea.
Like, I don't need to have a conversation with my helicopter pilot every single time she picks me up and drops me off.
At least I'm actually paying attention to the story and the boring dialogue. Have to admit much as I love sci-fi, and even though it was brand new when I was playing it, I could not get into the story of the first Deus Ex at all... and once you play an hour of that game without paying attention to the story... good luck.


Really? Maybe it's because I've been playing Mass Effect fairly recently, but I thought the Human Revolution characters have been fairly straight-to-the-point.

Have you ever tried to go through every conversation tree with characters in Mass Effect? Those dudes can talk FOREVER.

Yes. I played both Mass Effect games. They had a similar problem of overlong conversations, and you're right Mass Effect's might actually be longer on average. The difference is in Mass Effect I could tell when it was over or when it was the last line. Human Revolution when I think the conversation is over they seem to have a couple more lines that are redundant.

I'm not that far into Human Revolution, I'll probably get more absorbed when the story picks up. Certainly digging the setting and themes and the aesthetic is off the chain.

>> ^Sarzy:

Really? Maybe it's because I've been playing Mass Effect fairly recently, but I thought the Human Revolution characters have been fairly straight-to-the-point.
Have you ever tried to go through every conversation tree with characters in Mass Effect? Those dudes can talk FOREVER.

>> ^mentality:

Best PC game of all time? You gotta be joking.
I played it when the game came out, and while I agree that it is a good game, it did not provide you with any experience that was truly novel or exceptional.


No, I'm not, and yes, it did. Novel and exceptional are two great adjectives for what I thought/think of Deus Ex. System Shock 2 is right behind it, but Deus Ex remains my favorite game to this day.

>> ^Xax:

>> ^mentality:
Best PC game of all time? You gotta be joking.
I played it when the game came out, and while I agree that it is a good game, it did not provide you with any experience that was truly novel or exceptional.

No, I'm not, and yes, it did. Novel and exceptional are two great adjectives for what I thought/think of Deus Ex. System Shock 2 is right behind it, but Deus Ex remains my favorite game to this day.


Well, everyone is entitled to their favorite game. But really my point is that you can't call it novel or exceptional because everything it tried to do has be done earlier and better in other games. It's a jack of all trades game, master of none.

> ^mentality:Well, everyone is entitled to their favorite game. But really my point is that you can't call it novel or exceptional because everything it tried to do has be done earlier and better in other games. It's a jack of all trades game, master of none.



I suppose bits and pieces of anything are from things which came before, but the sum of its parts made Deus Ex stellar. Although I had played System Shock 2 before, Deus Ex felt like a very novel experience to me. But it was also the atmosphere, story, music, environments, gameplay mechanics, etc.

All I have to say is: Well shiiiiiit!

http://videosift.com/video/Deus-Ex-Human-Revolution-Well-Shit

Here's the skinny - deus ex is very good at incorporating your choice into the storyline, so you think there was no choice. Good example, at one point in the new game you get to either let someone die (they tell you to) or you can work it so they survive. First time, i didn't even notice. Second time, i tried to save them and got a different story out of it but it was seamless both ways, i wouldn't have known it was a choice.

Whilst i agree with the fact that it didn't beat any other game (baldur's gate, diablo, etc.) remember that you're comparing it with several games at the same time; it's not as good as fallout at being an rpg but it isn't a pure rpg, etc.

It's a pretty good game in conclusion, though it probably is a tad overhyped. New one's good fun too, but again not groundbreaking to me. Doesn't have to be, if it's good enough, and it is.

Edit: That second deus ex was shit though, if you ask me. Glad they pulled it back with this one.

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