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12 Comments
spoco2says...This is very much a case of "we can't see or hear nearly enough from this video to make any sort of judgement as to what was actually happening"
Therefore no vote because this doesn't help anyone.
14555says...I don't know....looks like the "fans" went a bit overboard. That blond woman pushed him a lot. It makes me wonder how I would react if a crowd of people stopped my truck and proceeded to come at me from all sides.
volumptuoussays...Well, let's think about it for one moment
A ginormous man used to fighting people who weigh on average 300lbs, punches a little girl in the face.
Do we really need anything more than that?
Throbbinsays...I'm with volumptuous (oh dear god how I hope you're a woman) here.
No excuse for punching that girl in the face. He's huge...she's tiny.
Anyone who doesn't upvote my comment is sexist.
14555says...No excuse for him. What about this crowd? Why would she go after him as he is trying to get in his car? I think these people got over excited from the show. I don't follow wrestling, I don't know if he is a "good" guy or a "bad" guy.
NordlichReitersays...That's what we call Amygdala reaction. We saw the same issue with the BART transit cop.
Jericho fights, or "fake" fights for a living. Hes conditioned response was to fight back when assaulted from the back.
Take the hypothetical experiment for example.
We have a controlled environment with 50 "fans". 10 separate volunteer "victims" of assault. One or two assailants, mixed in with the crowd of "fans". Only 5 of the volunteer "Victims" are told that they will be pushed from behind or from the side while getting into their "vehicle".
We can guarantee that the other five, who do not know that they will be pushed or accosted from the side or behind, will react violently. Violently, I mean posture or fight in order to deter any threats.
What I gathered from this video, is that the victim was assaulted from behind by the female perpetrator. He reacted how he trains or plays. Turning around and letting her have it. When the camera went haywire, he must have lashed out at every one near him. Seeing a threat in every person there, and wishing to dispatch that threat, while displaying his prowess to ward off any other attacks.
Humans have still not evolved enough to avoid the Amygdala's process.
According to the book Mind Hacks: Human brains are still, at the base level, designed for survival. The ability to reason was the result of society and cultural evolution. However a conscious thought is fallacy. We can prove that a thought happened before our conscious mind ever knew it happened. Hence a person who kills an attacker, only to try to rationalize what just happened.
The Amygdala is powerful, and that is why Human Species has evolved and thrived. No matter how much you reason, this part of your brain will dominate the flight or fight response.
NordlichReitersays...... after watching the video again.
All he had to do was stay in his car, or get in it in the first place.
But throughout the whole time he was standing there posturing.
The best way to avoid combat is through discretion.
14555says...Very true comment NordlichReiter.....I think the posturing could be part of his act.
Sagemindsays...Common, They were mobing him, He was the Victom.
Ever seen someone with Claustrophobia? They're doing fine until they are surrounded, then everything starts closing in, panic sets in and it's all they can do to get out of the situation.
My wife gets this all the time. She will be sitting on the chair wraped in a cozy blanket, then one child will climb up on her, trapping her, then the other child will climb up and sit on the arm of he chair over top of her... Then my wife begins to feel it, and she asks the kids to get down, they don't. Then she tells them to get off, they don't Then She tells them to get off, right now,they still don't (they are kids after all). She then starts to tense up, closing her eyes and and then BAM she squirms and tries to bolt out of the chair, both kids fly to the floor, bouncing. as my wifefranticly tries to get free of the blanket.
She would never try to hurt the kids, of course, but when that panic sets in, and she says get off, it's because her world is closing in, and panic is taking over.
This wrestler guy was pinned down, he couldn't go anywhere... He was trapped, no security and panic set in. Was he bigger, yes. Was he bigger than the entire mob surrounding him, absolutely not. Did he have a clear path out of the mob, no he didn't. People don't always have a choice on their reactions when this happens, instinct just says "Get Out, Fast"!
So he tried!
HadouKen24says...>> ^volumptuous:
Well, let's think about it for one moment
A ginormous man used to fighting people who weigh on average 300lbs, punches a little girl in the face.
Do we really need anything more than that?
There was a whole crowd around him acting very unpleasantly. A skinny girl attacking him could very easily, without quick action on his part, turn into the whole crowd attacking him. I might well have done the same thing were I in his position.
14555says...He does ask the security guards to do their job. They should not have let the crowd get so close. The crowd does seem out for blood. When I was a kid I went to a few wrestling matches. It was Stampede wrestling in Calgary. The crowds (including myself) went crazy. There were a lot of fights afterwards.
After one show some friends and I went to the back of the arena to see the wrestlers. There were "good" guy wrestlers and "bad" guy wrestlers hanging around. I saw a guy called Honky Tonk Wayne, he was a "bad" guy. (he went on to the WWF as The Honky Tonk Man and did quite well) He looked like Las Vegas Elvis with attitude. As a joke I went up to him for an autograph.
"Hey Honky Tonk, can I get an autograph?"
"FUCK OFF KID!" he snarled
"Honky Tonk, didn't you used to charge kids for your autograph?" asked his buddy
"I did, but the little fuckers wouldn't pay a buck!" was his reply
My eyes wide open and my jaw dropped, I slunk back to my friends.
I'll admit it took me a few years before I realized he was one of the greatest show men on earth. He never broke character. He played the bad ass right to the end.
My point being, both the wrestler and the audience participate in the play. Some of the wrestlers are more "method" actors. And like I said before, I don't follow wrestling now so I don't know what Chris Jericho's character is.
ambassdorsays...Sterrrr-oooooids.....
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