Working While Black in america.

Could a white man last a day in a black man's shoes?
bcglorfsays...

I usually dislike these kind of videos because the context we are missing can skew what we are watching. I usually try and give the officers the benefit of the doubt in that case. Here, it's just plain as day the office standing in the wrong. What kind of police officer responds to a request to identify themselves by pulling out handcuffs? This is unreal and officer should be facing not only court, but the potential for jail time over this.

newtboysays...

Not cool leaving his full name and dob unedited. I hope he doesn't have identity theft problems.
Cop needs training, and an official reprimand on his permanent record. Not having ID is not an arrestable offence, neither is requesting the officer's ID.

Khufusays...

Some old white lady hiding behind her curtains probably called 911 saying there was a black kid stealing mail from everyone's mailboxes... She was expecting her social security check, and it never came and she's SURE it was this boy.

bcglorfsays...

Understatement on requesting the officer's ID not being an offence...

Without officer's being required to present proof of identity, what's stopping this 'officer' from being a white KKK nut that decided to keep a uniform around to harass kids.

newtboysaid:

Not cool leaving his full name and dob unedited. I hope he doesn't have identity theft problems.
Cop needs training, and an official reprimand on his permanent record. Not having ID is not an arrestable offence, neither is requesting the officer's ID.

greatgooglymooglysays...

Guilty, guilty, guilty. Of vertical recording. Should have asked him to articulate the reasonable suspicion of a crime being committed, get that on video, then let himself get cuffed; sue his ass; get payed $$$.

bcglorfsays...

Well, they're still alive at this point...

Because he gave his proper name/address the officer and his buddy later showed up at his home to harass him some more. Later still they came into his home with a K-9 unit to arrest him and he got his arm chewed up.

Yeah, really.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d2r5DpiKvT4&feature=youtu.be&t=2m23s

http://cwnnews.ddns.net/unknown-police-agency-harassing-a-black-teen/

glyphssaid:

Yo, I hope those kids got out all right.

eric3579says...

Ugh, I couldn't get through most of that. Too depressing before i even had my morning coffee. Please tell me there is some positive parts to this. I saw a letter from a law firm (i think). Are they being helped in seeking justice or just not getting fucked anymore?

bcglorfsaid:

Well, they're still alive at this point...

<snip>

bcglorfsays...

Sounds like it only happened this week so I haven't seen more news yet. Also sounds like it's going to be muddied up because the guy being harassed had an outstanding charge for assault from a few years prior. Obviously with the local PD treatment seen here the earlier charges become suspect too IMO.

Of course, those charges are also irrelevant to what we see in the videos. A police officer refusing to identify themselves and then continuing to harass someone in their own home while again refusing to identify themselves. Then not on camera we know the story ends with the same guys going into the home and having dogs chew on the guy... These officers need to be in jail.

eric3579said:

Ugh, I couldn't get through most of that. Too depressing before i even had my morning coffee. Please tell me there is some positive parts to this. I saw a letter from a law firm (i think). Are they being helped in seeking justice or just not getting fucked anymore?

newtboysays...

Yep, they're now saying he fled in the video to avoid being identified (ignoring that he gave his proper name and dob, and ignoring that he didn't leave) because he had a misdemeanor warrant, and followed up by breaking into his home, tasering him, and letting him be mauled horrifically by their dog (I've seen his arm, he was bitten so many times you can't count the deep punctures and tears), and their chief is standing behind them for all of it.
I hope his jury bankrupts that department with his award in court. He's going to win his lawsuit.

bcglorfsaid:

Well, they're still alive at this point...

Because he gave his proper name/address the officer and his buddy later showed up at his home to harass him some more. Later still they came into his home with a K-9 unit to arrest him and he got his arm chewed up.

Yeah, really.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d2r5DpiKvT4&feature=youtu.be&t=2m23s

http://cwnnews.ddns.net/unknown-police-agency-harassing-a-black-teen/

bobknight33says...

The kid seems to be trying to earn a honest living and soliciting neighbors by handing out cards. Some states require a solicitor to have a permit or such.

Generally I don't think the kid had to show ID but since he was technically soliciting maybe he does. I don't know.

The kid should have complied. He decided to cop an attitude.

@newtboy He gave false name and DOB that did not match his stated age, which caused suspicion. The kid finally fled. He had a warrant out on him for assault back in 2015

Pct 1 held a press conference

newtboysays...

If true, how did they find him later? (Can't hear the video you posted, even at full volume, so I don't know if they said)
Since they went to his home later that day, they identified him somehow. How?

bobknight33said:

The kid seems to be trying to earn a honest living and soliciting neighbors by handing out cards. Some states require a solicitor to have a permit or such.

Generally I don't think the kid had to show ID but since he was technically soliciting maybe he does. I don't know.

The kid should have complied. He decided to cop an attitude.

@newtboy He gave false name and DOB that did not match his stated age, which caused suspicion. The kid finally fled. He had a warrant out on him for assault back in 2015

Pct 1 held a press conference

bobknight33says...

The video indicates that one of the other mowers was the brother.

newtboysaid:

If true, how did they find him later? (Can't hear the video you posted, even at full volume, so I don't know if they said)
Since they went to his home later that day, they identified him somehow. How?

bcglorfsays...

Normally I 100% give the police every benefit of the doubt in these situations. I believe you are ignoring the important parts of this video though.

The kid didn't 'cop an attitude', refuse to comply, or 'flee' the scene. He was defensive from the start, and I don't think it's unjustified to be a bit put out to be interrupted from your work to be grilled about what your doing there and to prove who you are. The turning point you are missing is when the kid asks for supposed police officer to identify himself. The guy acting like an officer not only fails to do so, he immediately wants to handcuff the kid now all of a sudden. At this stage, the kid is supposed to back away. He has a guy in a uniform refusing to identify themselves, he shouldn't be expected to hang around.

It's not an offense or problem to 'refuse to comply' with someone that isn't a police officer.

It's not fleeing a scene when there is no police officer present, let alone an officer telling you that your being detained or under arrest.

The officer's refusal to identify himself should IMO mean that he isn't considered to be a police officer at all yet in how the public is expected to interact with him. That's a public safety requirement and the fact that the department PR video is lying and calling walking away from this interaction 'fleeing' is disgusting to me.

Oh, and for the record, if the officer DID identify himself, and then said the kid was being detained or under arrest then it all changes to me. Then the kid is 100% expected to comply, and the officer is allowed to use the force required to arrest and detain the kid. At the point if the arrest is an abuse of power or not is up the courts to decide. The important distinction is none of that actually happened, the PR meeting video acts as though the officer had identified himself and attempted to detain the kid. Fortunately the kid has video evidence showing that none of that actually happened. It is legitimately scary how easily and frequently an officer could do exactly this same stunt, and without it being on camera, he would get away with the whole thing.

bobknight33said:

The kid seems to be trying to earn a honest living and soliciting neighbors by handing out cards. Some states require a solicitor to have a permit or such.

Generally I don't think the kid had to show ID but since he was technically soliciting maybe he does. I don't know.

The kid should have complied. He decided to cop an attitude.

@newtboy He gave false name and DOB that did not match his stated age, which caused suspicion. The kid finally fled. He had a warrant out on him for assault back in 2015

Pct 1 held a press conference

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