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qualmsays...Going by these polls nobody has a thing to worry about:
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/us/republican_presidential_nomination-192.html
Grimmsays..."Going by these polls nobody has a thing to worry about:"
Depends on how your reading those polls. Those people polled are "Republicans that are likely to vote in the primary". How do they determine who these people are? By polling Republicans that voted in the 2004 primary. Well guess what? Bush ran unopposed in the 2004 primary and as a result the Republican turnout was 6.6% (the lowest on record). So what you had is the hardcore/die hard pro-war Bushies showing up to cast their symbolic vote...almost 94% of the republicans stayed home that day.
Now...is anyone really that surprised that of that 6.6% that showed up to support Bush when his win was already in the bag that most of them are going with a "pro-war" candidate again?
The reason I think Paul could win the primary is those polls don't reflect what the majority of Republicans who didn't vote in the last primary want...now that there is no pre-ordained winner like in 2004 and so much more at stake you can bet that more then 6.6% will show up to vote this time around.
MINKsays...god bless the polls. no need to vote, just watch tv.
deedub81says...I think that last line sums it up. Ron Paul supporters are "a bunch of liberals pretending to be republicans."
Granted there are some Republicans that would vote for him. I love some of his policies and ideas and I like the guy. I just wouldn't vote for him. I don't think he's the BEST candidate.
CaveBearsays...According to these polls I think some people are worrying a bit.
http://www.ronpaul2008.com/straw-poll-results/
And then there was that little 4.2 million raised in one day thing...
Grimmsays...deedub81 wrote:
I think that is a totally illogical conclusion. All the Ron Paul supporters I know personally are Republicans that have been very unhappy with the Republican Party for sometime now. There is a strong history of libertarian Republicans in the party. The 1964 Republican candidate (Barry Goldwater) was a libertarian Republican and Ronald Reagan was a huge supporter of his. I would say the straw that broke the camels back for most of us was the 1994 "Contract with America". Up until then the democrats had always been the scapegoat of why we could not have a smaller Federal Government because they were in control of congress for the last 30-40 years. With the Republicans finally in the majority they proved that they were just as big spending and money wasting as the democrats.I think Ron Paul appeals to a large base of dissatisfied Republicans as well as a large base of moderates and independents. There are liberals willing to support him but I think that is a smaller base because of his stance on abortion and reducing the size of government.
smibbosays...deedub81 wrote:
I think that last line sums it up. Ron Paul supporters are "a bunch of liberals pretending to be republicans."
and that notion is exactly the kind of thinking that is parroted by a party line toer, rather than someone who is familiar with the actual ideologies. The ONLY issue RP opposes the Republican party on is the war. End of story. On all other issues, he is basic, sometimes hardline conservative. What liberal in their right mind would agree with Ron Paul on anything besides ending the war? Especially when there's Dennis Kucinich for us. Ron Paul, who I greatly respect for his committment and obvious integrity is not THIS liberal's choice at all. Kucinich is the liberal Ron Paul. Kucinich has less chance of getting the dem nominatin than RP has a chance of being listened to by the media but if you want to talk about ideologies, don't call RP a liberal. He's most decidedly NOT.
Wakesays...RON PAUL RON PAUL RON PAUL!!!!!!!!@11 Gonna go ahead and cross post this from another Ron Paul thread because I think a lot of people are misinformed
Weeeeeeeee.
Ron Paul seems like a guy to get in there and shake things up, fixing all the problems of our current bloated military industrial complex, misguided, uneducated goverment. But I encourage anybody to do a little research before they start supporting this guy. He is crazy. Go ahead and do some research on why he is supported by Stormfront. His thoughts on separation of church and state. What returning to the gold standard would do to the economy. Check out the Ron Paul survival report for some really great stuff about his views on other races.
"If you have ever been robbed by a black teen-aged male, you know how unbelievably fleet-footed they can be." - Ron Paul
http://www.stormfront.org/forum/showthread.php?t=388512
http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul148.html (4th paragrpah for the lazy)
http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/people/g/ftp.py?people/g/gannon.dan/1992/gannon.0793
Edit: Ohhh heres another good one about social security
http://www.offthekuff.com/mt/archives/007597.html
Also the "We the People" act would be really cool because then states could ban homosexuality, abortions, mixed raced marriages and re-segregate their schools. (51% of Alabama thinks inter-racial marriage should be illegal at a state level)
johnald128says...yeah you're right, the last line sums it up : "YOUR LIES WILL NOT WORK ANYMORE... YOU CAN NOT STOP US... WE WILL WIN."
i'd just like to say a big thankyou to Videosift for not censoring the Ron Paul movement. The runners of other sites usually have their own agendas and don't allow the diversity of opinions through (neatorama for one!). i disagree with a lot of commenters here but hell i'm just glad we're not all sheeple drones. i don't see positive fan-made vids about other candidates, why is this, is it because the rest are all full of shit?
Grimmsays...wake wrote:
Right...and the course we are on now, borrowing billions of dollars from foregn countries, and printing paper money out of thin air is never going to come back to bite if we stay the course...the U.S. dollar is too powerful....or at least it was.wake wrote: That's a distortion of the truth. Those "words" appeared in a newsletter of his from 1996. His explanation is that those words were not written by him. How do we know if he is telling the truth? We don't...but we can look at his record. We can look at things that we know he actually has said, things that he has done and things he has promised to do and they are not supportive of the racist you want us to think he is.
marinarasays...If Ron Paul did make an "oops" in the campaign, wouldn't it hurt so much? Wouldn't your hopes just implode?
If you're in Ohio, you have to register as Republican to vote in the Primary. Otherwise you can't even vote for Ron Paul in Ohio because of the voter laws protect Republican candiates from meddling votes from registered Democrats.
Imagoaminsays...All this poll quoting..Polls don't prove anything. All pollsters do is frame questions in a way to get a desired result. For every poll one way, theres tons that show the opposite.
Hell, it's incredibly easy to get a typical poll participant to agree to one thing then completely disagree with it 1 minute later based on the phrasing of the question.
And the Straw Polls are weak in theory.. You have to pay to participate. Most voters arn't gonna do that - only the died in the wool Ron Paul lovers (or any candidate for that matter) would or could. They just show Ron Paul supporters are much more rabid then other republican candidate supporters. Which is quite obvious just living in this country right now..
ImaMonstersays...The Polling is going to be his downfall. Lets not let this happen! It's crap.
dagsays...Comment hidden because you are ignoring dag.(show it anyway)
I'll restate that I think this election is going to be a contest between mainstream media and the Internet more than between any two candidates.
Bring on the revolution.
vermeulensays...deedub81 wrote:
I think that last line sums it up. Ron Paul supporters are "a bunch of liberals pretending to be republicans."
I agree with this entirely. He is not saying that Ron Paul is a liberal, he is saying most of his new found fans are liberals that are attracted to him just because of his stance against the war and his attacks on other republicans. And thats entirely Ron Paul's fault, where his focus is too much on the war and not enough on actual libertarian policies in the debates.
The media is not ignoring Ron Paul, it is not some corporation conspiracy, they simply want to give air time to whoever has the most popularity, and most of them would base this off of the polls. I have seen way more of Ron Paul on CNN, and various talk shows like Daily show/Tonight show than I have ever seen of both Huckabee or Thompson.
calvadossays...*long
siftbotsays...This video has been flagged as being at least 10 minutes in length - declared long by calvados.
EndAllsays...Most certainly a *conspiracy of *lies to silence the truth and quell popular opposition.
siftbotsays...Adding video to channels (Conspiracy, Lies) - requested by EndAll.
Throbbinsays...Ron Paul is batshit crazy. But he is at least a rational batshit crazy. Some of his ideas are good, some of them scare the pants off me.
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