Tron legacy: New trailer

volumptuoussays...

Looks like shit.

I have an original cell from the 1st film, and love everything about Tron. This, however, looks like just another dumb pseudo-romantic "epic" POS, which abuses the ORANGE AND TEAL color grading crap that every other film keeps slogging.

The original Tron was BLUE AND RED. Not orange and teal! wtf?

spoco2says...

I love the look that the film has (Orange and Teal just look better than the blue and red.... if it were just like the original, why bother making it?), but now that they've shown 'young Flynn' I am horrified at how piss poor he looks.

Shit, it CAN be done very realistically, look at "The Curious Case of Benjamin Button", THERE was a film with AMAZING facial cgi... realistic to the nth degree... but this? Come on, it's 2010 people, he should look better than that. And IF you're explaining it that he isn't really Flynn, because real Flynn is the old one, then they should have gone further with making it look fake so we KNOW it's supposed to be that rather than looking like it does now... which is bad cgi face.

Really has dampened my enthusiasm for the film

Retroboysays...

I always interpret someone nitpicky-tearing apart a TRAILER as a premature criticism. I don't spend too much time worrying about how much a crap-resolution mis-soundsynched-from-frame-one trailer does injustice to the 18-year-old prequel. I try to relate it to whether it might excite me enough to go see the movie itself, and if it's a delightful old franchise sequel, if it has enough carryover for me to determine there is a plausible link between the old and the new films.

Given what they showed, I say yes to both. I might be wrong and the movie might very well suck, but it won't be because some colours got changed. Geez.

(And the clip works for me.)

spoco2says...

>> ^Fusionaut:

I think young Flynn may supposed to look unreal since he is a an evil version of some program that Real Flynn designed... or something...


Yes, but as I said, if that IS their intention, they should have made him look Obviously fake. As he stands it looks like they're trying to make him look real and failing.

EMPIREsays...

I also don't understand the criticism about young Flynn. I think it looks very good. And I did watch the trailer in HD so I don't get it.

And the "it's red and blue, not teal and orange" thing? Give me a fucking break. I really hope you were trying to be funny.

shuacsays...

>> ^volumptuous:

Looks like shit.
I have an original cell from the 1st film, and love everything about Tron. This, however, looks like just another dumb pseudo-romantic "epic" POS, which abuses the ORANGE AND TEAL color grading crap that every other film keeps slogging.
The original Tron was BLUE AND RED. Not orange and teal! wtf?


Seriously, that's your criticism? You don't like the colors? The colors?

I have no idea whether this will be a good film or not, because after all, it's just a trailer. But I like to think I'd not pass judgment based on such a trite detail as what color the outfits were, the way an 8 year old girl might.

I'm disappointed, volump.

volumptuoussays...

Yes of course I don't like the colors.

It's not only because the original Tron was BLUE vs RED. But also because every film coming out the last five years or so has done the overused bullshit Orange and Teal color grading nonsense.

Look, before a film is in the can, it goes through a color correction process done on a multi-million dollar machine called a Davinci, with a colorist controlling the whole thing. This process is used to do corrections on bad saturation levels, making sure teeth aren't yellow, and making sure skies are blue. It's also used to heavily influence color, do tricks, and re-color shots in creative ways.

But, lately the directors have been going nuts with ORANGE & TEAL. Don't believe me?

http://theabyssgazes.blogspot.com/2010/03/teal-and-orange-hollywood-please-stop.html


This is the color-grading equivalent of a photoshop lens flare.

I've done massive amounts of telecine/divinci color correction sessions, and have worked as a color designer for many many years. Color is my specialty, and is the biggest reason why I ever get hired on projects. So when I see one of my favorite feature films of alltime being shit on by the easy hollywood hack system, I get a little offended.

shuacsays...

>> ^volumptuous:

Yes of course I don't like the colors.
It's not only because the original Tron was BLUE vs RED. But also because every film coming out the last five years or so has done the overused bullshit Orange and Teal color grading nonsense.
Look, before a film is in the can, it goes through a color correction process done on a multi-million dollar machine called a Davinci, with a colorist controlling the whole thing. This process is used to do corrections on bad saturation levels, making sure teeth aren't yellow, and making sure skies are blue. It's also used to heavily influence color, do tricks, and re-color shots in creative ways.
But, lately the directors have been going nuts with ORANGE & TEAL. Don't believe me?
http://theabyssgazes.blogspot.com/2010/03/teal-and-orange-
hollywood-please-stop.html

This is the color-grading equivalent of a photoshop lens flare.
I've done massive amounts of telecine/divinci color correction sessions, and have worked as a color designer for many many years. Color is my specialty, and is the biggest reason why I ever get hired on projects. So when I see one of my favorite feature films of alltime being shit on by the easy hollywood hack system, I get a little offended.


<shuac rolls eyes>

volumptuoussays...

@shuac

I don't understand what you're getting at.

I guess roll your eyes or whatever, but I have a valid point. It's an incredibly overused process that makes many people in the industry puke whenever they see it. But I guess to you, color professionals taking issue with hollywood hacks abusing an overused and shit technique is the equivalent to an 8 yr old girl complaining about a dress? If it weren't for people slaving over every aesthetic detail of any type of design, cinema, or even comic book coloring, this world would be a very boring and ugly place.

EMPIREsays...

You are a professional of color processing.
You care about it, because you are trained to see it.
Nobody outside that niche of professionals gives a flying shit about it.

And you know what? Very much like bullet time was used to exhaustion after the Matrix first came out, so will this. It's a trend. It happens in every god damn art form.

So take a seat, and wait. It will go away eventually.

xxovercastxxsays...

I don't find the specific colors as annoying as the extreme saturation that's omnipresent in movies. It's more acceptable here than almost anywhere else. That's what people like, though. Show a realistically colored image side-by-side with a high-contrast, high-saturation image and the vast majority will say the latter is more realistic and more appealing.

Color aside, "dumb pseudo-romantic epic" is a pretty good description of the first Tron. Maybe throw a "goofy" and "corny" in there, too, for good measure.

>> ^volumptuous:

Looks like shit.
I have an original cell from the 1st film, and love everything about Tron. This, however, looks like just another dumb pseudo-romantic "epic" POS, which abuses the ORANGE AND TEAL color grading crap that every other film keeps slogging.
The original Tron was BLUE AND RED. Not orange and teal! wtf?

Sagemindsays...

Thanks for the education - but now you've ruined all future movies for me...
I didn't even get to choose between the blue pill or the red pill
>> ^volumptuous:

Yes of course I don't like the colors.
It's not only because the original Tron was BLUE vs RED. But also because every film coming out the last five years or so has done the overused bullshit Orange and Teal color grading nonsense.
Look, before a film is in the can, it goes through a color correction process done on a multi-million dollar machine called a Davinci, with a colorist controlling the whole thing. This process is used to do corrections on bad saturation levels, making sure teeth aren't yellow, and making sure skies are blue. It's also used to heavily influence color, do tricks, and re-color shots in creative ways.
But, lately the directors have been going nuts with ORANGE & TEAL. Don't believe me?
http://theabyssgazes.blogspot.com/2010/03/teal-and-orange-
hollywood-please-stop.html

This is the color-grading equivalent of a photoshop lens flare.
I've done massive amounts of telecine/divinci color correction sessions, and have worked as a color designer for many many years. Color is my specialty, and is the biggest reason why I ever get hired on projects. So when I see one of my favorite feature films of alltime being shit on by the easy hollywood hack system, I get a little offended.

mgittlesays...

@Sagemind

Apparently it's teal pill or orange pill. Doesn't quite have the same ring to it...

Speaking of color gradient stuff and the Matrix...even though the sequels were crap, I always thought having a green tint on everything inside the Matrix was a pretty sweet way of giving everything a sort of "offputting" and artificial feel. Plus, it made all color really stick out when used.

I have to agree with the teal/orange hate...but it's just like any trendy meme type thing, it gets annoying when overused...especially if you've known what it's all about from the beginning. For example, I didn't really notice it in Transformers, but after seeing a few more movies and hearing someone complain about it, I finally knew what I couldn't quite put my finger on.

spoco2says...

I don't get how anyone can look at 'young Flynn' and not think he looks terrible, like CG from 10 years ago, the mouth movements are an abomination. Even just in the still shot it has as the thumbnail up there, he looks terrible.

Now, if you can watch a film with a CG character that looks the bad and not wince, then I may envy you in some regards, but I can't, I hate it, and it really has dampened my enthusiasm for the film. The sound design and the look was really spot on and I just loved it up until that point.

*sigh*

*small weep*

I really hope that his poor look is on purpose or they fix it before release, as it's really going to jar me out of the movie if it isn't.

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