Fuck the concept of a "post-9/11 world."

>> ^direpickle:

Fuck the concept of a "post-9/11 world."


So, what are you saying, I'm not trying to be sarcastic or rude, but are you implying that the world didn't change with 9/11 or that it shouldn't have changed? I mean, do you think the worlds reaction was exaggerated , considering the loss of life was lesser than that of other wars and tragedies around the world? I'm seriously not trying to disrespect you in any way, in some ways I sympathize with some of those views, but im interested to hear your views on the subject, if you care to elaborate, I just think your comment is a bit too.. short and lacking context. But its an interesting subject, and I don't think an offhand comment does it justice.

^Perhaps the sentiment he's trying to convey is one of frustration at the energy involved in having to think about anything so hard that it creates tension or frustration in any way.

For example, how after 9 years this event has yet to be revisited in such a way a to eliminate all doubt surrounding the perpetrators of the same?

How pundits from all major media continue to resort to insults and derision to guests presenting alternative views to official reports?

How long has it taken for world citizens to forget JFK and his brother Bobby's offings and the more than apparent conspiratorial nature of these events?-Took about 30-

It's only taken 9 years for most to comfortably retreat into somnambulism or entertainment/information saturation. People are a lot more easily led today.

Ask most people outside of the U.S. if they believe 9/11 to have been perpetrated by a cabal within the MIC and some high level arm(s) of the intelligence apparatus, and guess what they say?

People simply don't want the responsibility of having to know what actually happened on that day. Easier to stay fucking asleep.

>> ^Bloocut:

^Perhaps the sentiment he's trying to convey is one of frustration at the energy involved in having to think about anything so hard that it creates tension or frustration in any way.
For example, how after 9 years this event has yet to be revisited in such a way a to eliminate all doubt surrounding the perpetrators of the same?
How pundits from all major media continue to resort to insults and derision to guests presenting alternative views to official reports?
How long has it taken for world citizens to forget JFK and his brother Bobby's offings and the more than apparent conspiratorial nature of these events?-Took about 30-
It's only taken 9 years for most to comfortably retreat into somnambulism or entertainment/information saturation. People are a lot more easily led today.
Ask most people outside of the U.S. if they believe 9/11 to have been perpetrated by a cabal within the MIC and some high level arm(s) of the intelligence apparatus, and guess what they say?
People simply don't want the responsibility of having to know what actually happened on that day. Easier to stay fucking asleep.


I'm outside the US and I think you are fucking looney who somehow thinks he knows the inner workings of the worlds most secretive cabal...

>> ^Bloocut:

Ask most people outside of the U.S. if they believe 9/11 to have been perpetrated by a cabal within the MIC and some high level arm(s) of the intelligence apparatus, and guess what they say?

"No"

The event is what it is. On the global human scale: It's not the most buildings destroyed, not the most people killed, not the greatest of atrocities committed.

What is unique is:

How the event has been translated by media and government into a story of unrivaled drama.

How that drama has caused unparalleled restructuring of laws and rights to privacy in every western country in the world.

The event isn't unique, it didn't change the world --> The reaction to it did.

>> ^Bloocut:
How long has it taken for world citizens to forget JFK and his brother Bobby's offings and the more than apparent conspiratorial nature of these events?-Took about 30-

It seemed conspiratorial at the time, but eventually the emotional effects wore off and it could be approached objectively. The theories requiring a second gunman weren't properly disproven until decades later.

I think the same is true here. Lots of people are still really wound up about this so they're less likely to accept evidence that conflicts with their beliefs. As time moves on, more people will be willing to accept more thorough examinations of the events.

>> ^raverman:

The event is what it is. On the global human scale: It's not the most buildings destroyed, not the most people killed, not the greatest of atrocities committed.
What is unique is:
How the event has been translated by media and government into a story of unrivaled drama.
How that drama has caused unparalleled restructuring of laws and rights to privacy in every western country in the world.
The event isn't unique, it didn't change the world --> The reaction to it did.


I PMed a huge rambling message to BRM to explain what you put very succinctly. Yes.

Dianne Sawyer praised her savior after realizing it was an attack? ... maybe she's one of THEM! LETS GET 'ER!!

I like how 9/11 is a little cottage industry for politicians in the US. Never mind that the number of people who died in the US due to inadequate healthcare in 2001 (and the years before and after) was greater.

It's just a rallying cry for people too stupid to bother informing themselves on the relevant issues of the day.

Actually, what is unique is it was the first time in history that passenger jet planes were used as suicide missiles. It was also the first successful foreign terrorist attack on the U.S. mainland (the WTC bombing in 1993 was a failure--despite successfully detonating the explosive device they failed to collapse the structure, which was their stated goal). Also, if you don't consider the Twin Towers collapsing live on national television a unique event, I would like to hear your definition of the word "unique."

The event changed everyone, not just in the US but internationally as well. People forget that for a few brief moments we had almost the entire world on our side--even Cuba and North Korea denounced the attacks. It had the potential to change the world for the better. Too bad the US government's reaction to the event squandered all that good will and plunged everything into darkness.

As an aside, my stomach still turns seeing that video of the plane hitting the 1st tower, even after all this time.

>> ^raverman:

The event is what it is. On the global human scale: It's not the most buildings destroyed, not the most people killed, not the greatest of atrocities committed.
What is unique is:
How the event has been translated by media and government into a story of unrivaled drama.
How that drama has caused unparalleled restructuring of laws and rights to privacy in every western country in the world.
The event isn't unique, it didn't change the world --> The reaction to it did.

>> ^BicycleRepairMan:

>> ^direpickle:
Fuck the concept of a "post-9/11 world."

So, what are you saying, I'm not trying to be sarcastic or rude, but are you implying that the world didn't change with 9/11 or that it shouldn't have changed? I mean, do you think the worlds reaction was exaggerated , considering the loss of life was lesser than that of other wars and tragedies around the world? I'm seriously not trying to disrespect you in any way, in some ways I sympathize with some of those views, but im interested to hear your views on the subject, if you care to elaborate, I just think your comment is a bit too.. short and lacking context. But its an interesting subject, and I don't think an offhand comment does it justice.


Our reaction was "everything has changed" and for us it had...the ones with the clubs are supposed to remain untouched like we had been for 200 years. The rest of the world said "That's horrible...but welcome to the club" because we had been doing similar things and worse to them for a long time now. Like on 9/11/1973 in Chile.

This thread is a wonderful litmus test for the phenomenon suggested earlier- (predictable nature of homo sapient societal programming) 9 years later, and most tow the party line. Pitchforks, torches, and a mob has always been the easiest way to put to rest dissent and forgo having to think for oneself.

"Actually, what is unique is it was the first time in history that passenger jet planes were used as suicide missiles."

Whats more unique, "actually", is that for the first time in history, 2 ginormous skyscrapers designed to withstand jumbo jet crashes fell straight down into happy little piles, when struck on different levels. Hours apart. IN EXACTLY THE SAME FASHION.
That another, WTC7, did the same hours later, after having bee hit by debris-riiiiiight.

@ Psychologic-Bobby Kennedy's death was CIA-inspired, been pretty much satisfied that it was a damn pen-zip-gun pushed up into his chin, fired upwards. Not Sirhansquared. Magic bullet my ass for his brother, no explosives used in 9/11, my ass.