Beautiful man, gorgeous song, epic crowd

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Promoting this video and sending it back into the queue for one more try; last queued Saturday, March 3rd, 2012 2:51pm PST - promote requested by alien_concept.

Didn't care much for the song, but what an epic moment for a band. Great title.

M&S is my all time favorite band. i plan on getting that coat of arms behind them tattooed on me.

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Just fantastic.

>> ^CheshireSmile:

M&S is my all time favorite band. i plan on getting that coat of arms behind them tattooed on me.


Yeah, I think they may be replacing Muse as my favourite band too and I never thought that was going to happen. They were supposed to be releasing their new album last month, where is it?!?!

He should have just shut up and accompanied the audience. I love that and so do audiences.

Just awesome.

LOVE this song (after first hearing/seeing it here actually).

I sing songs to my kids each night, and they still will ask for this song about once a week or so

Play it in the car and you have the entire family singing along... all six of us!

I'm surprised that atheists enjoy them, considering the explicitly spiritual and christian themes interwoven into their music

It's because they aren't synthed to shit and back. They play their own instruments. They do awesome live shows where they aren't lip synching their own songs. They don't depend on drama or sex to peddle their music. They make good music videos. They're a good band. That transends the spirituality/christian theme 'downsides' that an athiest may have for bands in general.
>> ^shinyblurry:

I'm surprised that atheists enjoy them, considering the explicitly spiritual and christian themes interwoven into their music

Never heard of these guys. Therefore, they haven't made it.

>> ^ForgedReality:

Never heard of these guys. Therefore, they haven't made it.


Sounds like a personal problem, don't put that on them!

>> ^flechette:

It's because they aren't synthed to shit and back. They play their own instruments. They do awesome live shows where they aren't lip synching their own songs. They don't depend on drama or sex to peddle their music. They make good music videos. They're a good band. That transends the spirituality/christian theme 'downsides' that an athiest may have for bands in general.
>> ^shinyblurry:
I'm surprised that atheists enjoy them, considering the explicitly spiritual and christian themes interwoven into their music



Also, they're not preaching.

>> ^shinyblurry:

I'm surprised that atheists enjoy them, considering the explicitly spiritual and christian themes interwoven into their music


Unlike judgemental religious assholes, I don't discriminate... X D

That's awesome. It's a shame that the song is unrecognizable as anything other than the exact same layout and meter of every other one of their songs released to date.

Unless I'm wrong, do they only have one song and it just always sounds slightly different?

>> ^Asmo:
>> ^shinyblurry:
I'm surprised that atheists enjoy them, considering the explicitly spiritual and christian themes interwoven into their music

Unlike judgemental religious assholes, I don't discriminate... X D


Apparently you do.

Your ignorant presumption that an aetheist cannot appreciate music with spiritual themes is judgemental (and baseless), and the fact that you're willing to espouse it makes you an asshole.

You can describe what a person is without discriminating against them. Don't let me stop you crawling up on a cross though. ; )

>> ^shinyblurry:
Apparently you do.

It's an observation based on the evidence of thousands of atheists all over the internet (and in real life), on various message boards, comments on articles, blogs, etc..decrying all things spiritual as total absurdity and beneath them, especially as it pertains to the christian faith.

>> ^Asmo:
Your ignorant presumption that an aetheist cannot appreciate music with spiritual themes is judgemental (and baseless), and the fact that you're willing to espouse it makes you an asshole.
You can describe what a person is without discriminating against them. Don't let me stop you crawling up on a cross though. ; )
>> ^shinyblurry:
Apparently you do.

>> ^shinyblurry:

I'm surprised that atheists enjoy them, considering the explicitly spiritual and christian themes interwoven into their music


Because they are songs sung in general terms of 'A god' and 'A maker' and themes common to people who think and struggle with faith. They do not sing anything like 'Jesus is my lord, he will save me'.

It may be hard for you to fathom, but we have no issue with people searching for or finding solace in faith, what we find abhorrent is people like you who have decided that what they believe IS TRUE and that THEIR BELIEF states that other people are sinful persons bound for an eternity in hellfire.

Their songs are passionate and heartfelt... and I would be not at all surprised to find that in future they have ones that deal with a struggle with and perhaps disillusionment with faith... or not, don't mind either way.

If they become preachy, if they start trying to suggest that they know the one true lord, then they'll lose me.

Up until then I just love their music. As I'm sure you love many things in this world created by athiests

Ah, another thread gone to hell.

Great call, @Samaelsmith

So you're okay with people searching for truth so long as they don't find any answers? Why is it okay for you to say there isn't one true God but it is not okay for me to say that there is? To say this is tolerance is a facade; your tolerance ends when what I believe says you are wrong. The truth is by nature exclusive; just as there is one right answer to 2+2 and an infinite number of wrong answers, it is the same way as to the question of who God is. There is only one right answer, so why should you be surprised, shocked or outraged that I claim it is Jesus Christ, and that His words are truth? And if I sincerely believe that truth, why should you be offended when I claim He is the only way? That is what you would expect a sincere Christian to say, just as a sincere atheist will deny it. We both believe we are right, so why are you more right than I am? Why don't you find people who deny there is one truth, abhorrant? Would you accept other answers to 2 + 2?

>> ^spoco2:
>> ^shinyblurry:
I'm surprised that atheists enjoy them, considering the explicitly spiritual and christian themes interwoven into their music

Because they are songs sung in general terms of 'A god' and 'A maker' and themes common to people who think and struggle with faith. They do not sing anything like 'Jesus is my lord, he will save me'.
It may be hard for you to fathom, but we have no issue with people searching for or finding solace in faith, what we find abhorrent is people like you who have decided that what they believe IS TRUE and that THEIR BELIEF states that other people are sinful persons bound for an eternity in hellfire.
Their songs are passionate and heartfelt... and I would be not at all surprised to find that in future they have ones that deal with a struggle with and perhaps disillusionment with faith... or not, don't mind either way.
If they become preachy, if they start trying to suggest that they know the one true lord, then they'll lose me.
Up until then I just love their music. As I'm sure you love many things in this world created by athiests

>> ^shinyblurry:

It's an observation based on the evidence of thousands of atheists all over the internet (and in real life), on various message boards, comments on articles, blogs, etc..decrying all things spiritual as total absurdity and beneath them, especially as it pertains to the christian faith.
>> ^Asmo:
Your ignorant presumption that an aetheist cannot appreciate music with spiritual themes is judgemental (and baseless), and the fact that you're willing to espouse it makes you an asshole.
You can describe what a person is without discriminating against them. Don't let me stop you crawling up on a cross though. ; )
>> ^shinyblurry:
Apparently you do.



How are you not proving my point here with your presumption that a tiny vocal percentage represent the entire body? Do you subscribe to the hate views of the westboro lunatics? Do I judge all christians based on them? They're rhetorical questions btw, although I doubt your shield of self righteousness and delusion will allow you to consider the implications...

And instead of just enjoying some wonderful music and a great crowd reaction along with everyone else, you come trundling in with your standard shtick designed to cause arguments and controversy. Blessed be the peace makers indeed... /eyeroll

>> ^shinyblurry:

So you're okay with people searching for truth so long as they don't find any answers? Why is it okay for you to say there isn't one true God but it is not okay for me to say that there is? To say this is tolerance is a facade; your tolerance ends when what I believe says you are wrong. The truth is by nature exclusive; just as there is one right answer to 2+2 and an infinite number of wrong answers, it is the same way as to the question of who God is. There is only one right answer, so why should you be surprised, shocked or outraged that I claim it is Jesus Christ, and that His words are truth? And if I sincerely believe that truth, why should you be offended when I claim He is the only way? That is what you would expect a sincere Christian to say, just as a sincere atheist will deny it. We both believe we are right, so why are you more right than I am? Why don't you find people who deny there is one truth, abhorrant? Would you accept other answers to 2 + 2?
>> ^spoco2:
>> ^shinyblurry:
I'm surprised that atheists enjoy them, considering the explicitly spiritual and christian themes interwoven into their music

Because they are songs sung in general terms of 'A god' and 'A maker' and themes common to people who think and struggle with faith. They do not sing anything like 'Jesus is my lord, he will save me'.
It may be hard for you to fathom, but we have no issue with people searching for or finding solace in faith, what we find abhorrent is people like you who have decided that what they believe IS TRUE and that THEIR BELIEF states that other people are sinful persons bound for an eternity in hellfire.
Their songs are passionate and heartfelt... and I would be not at all surprised to find that in future they have ones that deal with a struggle with and perhaps disillusionment with faith... or not, don't mind either way.
If they become preachy, if they start trying to suggest that they know the one true lord, then they'll lose me.
Up until then I just love their music. As I'm sure you love many things in this world created by athiests



You THINK you know the truth of there even being a god, and you believe you know who this god is. But these are THOUGHTS and are not backed up by ANYTHING whatsoever. 2+2 = 4 is backed up by being able to SHOW it... you can take 2 beads, take another 2 beads, count them, and have 4 beads.

You cannot point at ANYTHING and say 'See, there's my proof that there is a god, he is the one in the bible, and that is true'.

And I said that it was fine for you to believe that there was one true god. Go right ahead and believe that you have found that 'truth'. It's your forcing of YOUR belief in this on others, this belief that cannot be shown to be true in any way. This belief of yours that a man who sleeps with another man is damned to hell forever and so should be feared and scorned is horrible.

My beliefs, those of science and observable phenomenon, do not say anything about how people choose to live their lives. My morals state that anyone is free to be with whoever they want to. They can live however they want, including believing in an invisible man in the sky with a long, flowing beard, as long as that way of living doesn't try to do harm to others.

You are doing harm to others. Mumford and Sons are not.

>> ^Asmo:
>> ^shinyblurry:
It's an observation based on the evidence of thousands of atheists all over the internet (and in real life), on various message boards, comments on articles, blogs, etc..decrying all things spiritual as total absurdity and beneath them, especially as it pertains to the christian faith.
>> ^Asmo:
Your ignorant presumption that an aetheist cannot appreciate music with spiritual themes is judgemental (and baseless), and the fact that you're willing to espouse it makes you an asshole.
You can describe what a person is without discriminating against them. Don't let me stop you crawling up on a cross though. ; )
>> ^shinyblurry:
Apparently you do.


How are you not proving my point here with your presumption that a tiny vocal percentage represent the entire body? Do you subscribe to the hate views of the westboro lunatics? Do I judge all christians based on them? They're rhetorical questions btw, although I doubt your shield of self righteousness and delusion will allow you to consider the implications...
And instead of just enjoying some wonderful music and a great crowd reaction along with everyone else, you come trundling in with your standard shtick designed to cause arguments and controversy. Blessed be the peace makers indeed... /eyeroll


My comment was simply an expression of my surprise that atheists may actually appreciate music with spiritual or christian themes. My initial reaction was rather unfiltered..I was reacting more to the atheists on the sift and not atheists in general. You're right though, my comment essentially pigeonholed all of you inappropiately, but I do know better; I have spoken to a few moderate atheists. I have also have atheist friends. In any case, this could have spurred a much different conversation than the ones who have chosen to respond have brought to the table thus far. I was just curious as to why atheists here would support this kind of music when all I hear from them is that everything Christian or spiritual is poison and should be destroyed.

@spoco2

You THINK you know the truth of there even being a god, and you believe you know who this god is. But these are THOUGHTS and are not backed up by ANYTHING whatsoever. 2+2 = 4 is backed up by being able to SHOW it... you can take 2 beads, take another 2 beads, count them, and have 4 beads.

You cannot point at ANYTHING and say 'See, there's my proof that there is a god, he is the one in the bible, and that is true'.

If you prayed to Jesus Christ and sincerely admitted that you are a sinner, asked for His forgiveness and asked Him to come into your life as Lord and Savior, you would come to know there is a God. It is something which can be empirically verified.

And I said that it was fine for you to believe that there was one true god. Go right ahead and believe that you have found that 'truth'. It's your forcing of YOUR belief in this on others, this belief that cannot be shown to be true in any way. This belief of yours that a man who sleeps with another man is damned to hell forever and so should be feared and scorned is horrible.

If it's fine to believe that Jesus is God incarnate, then it is also fine for me to obey His commands, one of which is to preach the gospel. This is a fundamental right that every american has according to the first ammendment. Why should I be censored? You feel free to say what I believe is not correct. Why shouldn't you be censored?

A man who tells a lie, steals something, blasphemes the name of God, or looks at a woman with lust is on his way to hell. One sin isn't necessarily worse than any other sin; the wages of sin is death, and all have sinned. So the man who lies is just as guilty as the man who sleeps with another man. God cares so much about the well being of His Universe that He punishes all sin with eternity in hell. He cares so much about us that He gave His only Son to take our place in punishment, so we could be forgiven and have eternal life. Those who reject His mercy will have to face His justice.

My beliefs, those of science and observable phenomenon, do not say anything about how people choose to live their lives. My morals state that anyone is free to be with whoever they want to. They can live however they want, including believing in an invisible man in the sky with a long, flowing beard, as long as that way of living doesn't try to do harm to others.

You are doing harm to others. Mumford and Sons are not.

Many of your views may hide behind apron of true science, but I can guaranatee you that the presuppositions of your worldview are not based on empirical testing. As far as who is doing harm, if you saw someone in a burning building, would you not stop to try and rescue them? At least one atheist understands this:

http://videosift.com/video/Penn-Jillette-gets-a-Bible

Ha! 'Hide behind the apron of true science'. Priceless.

Yeah, @spoco2, stop cowering behind scientific evidence and facts, you big girl's blouse. Be a man like me and believe in something without evidence, then call that belief 'empirically verified'.

I'm still not sure this isn't an elaborate scam. shinyblurry's sincerity, not god's existence. But then, come to think of it...

@shinyblurry
If you prayed to Jesus Christ and sincerely admitted that you are a sinner, asked for His forgiveness and asked Him to come into your life as Lord and Savior, you would come to know there is a God. It is something which can be empirically verified.

You don't know what empirical verification is, obviously, so you've completely missed the point here.

Anyway, no point discussing with you, you've shown time and time again to have no real grasp of the concepts of which we're speaking, and also will not be shaken on your faith because you believe you've had an experience that proves it to you.

Also... the video you linked of Penn's... a bit ingenuous to do so for one that has the end chopped off where he reiterates that he is an Athiest and does not believe in a god or the bible but rather just thought that this man did things in a kind and non abusive way.

God provides the evidence; that's what I mean about being able to empirically verify my claim. If you want to know if Jesus Christ is God, the way you do that is by praying to Him and asking Him to come into your life. On the other hand, there is no empirical verification for your atheistic naturalism. Its claims are founded upon metaphysical assumptions about reality with no hard evidence what so ever.

If you don't think I am sincere then engage me in further conversation rather than trail me around and say the same thing over and over again. I wouldn't be here if I wasn't sincere.

>> ^kymbos:
Ha! 'Hide behind the apron of true science'. Priceless.
Yeah, @spoco2, stop cowering behind scientific evidence and facts, you big girl's blouse. Be a man like me and believe in something without evidence, then call that belief 'empirically verified'.
I'm still not sure this isn't an elaborate scam. shinyblurry's sincerity, not god's existence. But then, come to think of it...

So no comment on what Penn said?

>> ^spoco2:
@shinyblurry
If you prayed to Jesus Christ and sincerely admitted that you are a sinner, asked for His forgiveness and asked Him to come into your life as Lord and Savior, you would come to know there is a God. It is something which can be empirically verified.
You don't know what empirical verification is, obviously, so you've completely missed the point here.
Anyway, no point discussing with you, you've shown time and time again to have no real grasp of the concepts of which we're speaking, and also will not be shaken on your faith because you believe you've had an experience that proves it to you.
Also... the video you linked of Penn's... a bit ingenuous to do so for one that has the end chopped off where he reiterates that he is an Athiest and does not believe in a god or the bible but rather just thought that this man did things in a kind and non abusive way.

@shinyblurry:
God provides the evidence; that's what I mean about being able to empirically verify my claim.
No, that's not empirical evidence in anyone's definition of it... not one bit. You 'invited him in', you 'get some feeling'... that's not proof, that's you feeling stuff. Not empirical evidence.

So no comment on what Penn said?
Yeah, he has a view that if you really believe in the bible and you really believe that people will spend eternity in damnation if they don't repent. If you really believe that. Then it is upon you to actually try to save people from that fate. He felt that this man did that for him out of kindness and did it with a kind heart.

Now I bet (in fact I'm sure he's talked about such things) his views on people telling others that they're horrible people for being gay, that they are an abomination, that they should never be able to be married (which is a man made construct, nothing to do with a 'god')... and for people who do that in a way which makes others uncomfortable. I bet he has a problem with that.

I think his point was that this man believed what he does, this man felt that Teller deserved to 'be saved' and tried to help him be saved in a really NICE way. He didn't badger him, he didn't verbally attack him as being godless... he just gave him a gift that he hoped would help him find 'his truth'.

Now it won't at all, Teller will never become religious, but he saw the man came from a good place.

What you do here is entirely different. Any video on evolution or science or anything that goes against your world view is shat on by you. That's abusive, that's combative, that's not trying to save people.

And you didn't mention why you posted a version of the video with him reiterating that he's an atheist rather than the full one.

God provides the evidence; that's what I mean about being able to empirically verify my claim.
No, that's not empirical evidence in anyone's definition of it... not one bit. You 'invited him in', you 'get some feeling'... that's not proof, that's you feeling stuff. Not empirical evidence.

It is exactly the definition. If it is untrue, nothing will happen. If it is true, God will come into your life and change you. That is empirical verification. It isn't "some feeling". It is a supernatural encounter with God which will utterly transform your life. You're simply arguing from ignorance, here.

So no comment on what Penn said?
Yeah, he has a view that if you really believe in the bible and you really believe that people will spend eternity in damnation if they don't repent. If you really believe that. Then it is upon you to actually try to save people from that fate. He felt that this man did that for him out of kindness and did it with a kind heart.

Now I bet (in fact I'm sure he's talked about such things) his views on people telling others that they're horrible people for being gay, that they are an abomination, that they should never be able to be married (which is a man made construct, nothing to do with a 'god')... and for people who do that in a way which makes others uncomfortable. I bet he has a problem with that.

I think his point was that this man believed what he does, this man felt that Teller deserved to 'be saved' and tried to help him be saved in a really NICE way. He didn't badger him, he didn't verbally attack him as being godless... he just gave him a gift that he hoped would help him find 'his truth'.

Now it won't at all, Teller will never become religious, but he saw the man came from a good place.

What you do here is entirely different. Any video on evolution or science or anything that goes against your world view is shat on by you. That's abusive, that's combative, that's not trying to save people.

And you didn't mention why you posted a version of the video with him reiterating that he's an atheist rather than the full one.
His point was, if you believe that Jesus is God, and His words are true, you are going to tell people the gospel. He may agree or disagree with how a particular person may do that; that isn't the point. Jesus told people flat out what was right and wrong, He talked about hell, and He told people the truth. There are many biblical examples of sharing the gospel, and I am in line with them.

It's amazing though, as you get through insulting me throughout the thread, that you are going to say I am abusive and combative because I post my opinions on science videos. That's kind of a joke, I think. I can't post anywhere or say anything without getting flak from the usual suspects. It doesn't matter what it is. Perhaps you prefer an echo-chamber where everyone agrees with you all the time, but suprise, it's a diverse world out there and a diversity of viewpoints.

I didn't mention why I posted the shorter video because there was no conspiracy. That's the video I initially found, I figured shorter was better than longer, and I posted it. It turns out that the longer one was posted on here already, so even if I had wanted to, I couldn't have posted it. Also, don't say Penn will never give his life to Jesus Christ. I believe that he will. If he is thoughtful enough to understand evangelism from the chistian viewpoint, somewhere in his heart he is open to knowing God. God can change a heart in the blink of an eye.

>> ^spoco2:

@shinyblurry if you can continue to argue that a feeling is empirical evidence, no matter how much you think it's a supernatural encounter, then there's no point arguing with you as you are arguing from a point of ignorance, not I.

You should do some reading into the absolute certainty that people can and have believed things that are absolutely, verifiably, demonstratively false. Interviews with people with mental instability that have been able to overcome issues through medication or other means, and can describe the unwavering belief that what they used to think was true, even though they know now it was false.

I am done here. No further responses...

Not to say I won't bite again if you pipe up on another video mind you.

"Trail you around" - my word, what a messiah complex!

No thankee, I shall swan around the internets and mock you when you place yourself in front of me, as usual. Do pray continue.

Your answer is, because you believe it is just a feeling, and that people can convince themselves of anything, therefore it isn't evidence..but this is all based on your presupposition that there is no God. God could obviously provide evidence of His existence to anyone. The fact is, there is a God who loves you, who does provide evidence of His existence. What you're doing is choosing to remain ignorant. Open your heart, because God has a plan for your life, and you could know this is true, today, and not something based on mere feelings

>> ^spoco2:
@shinyblurry if you can continue to argue that a feeling is empirical evidence, no matter how much you think it's a supernatural encounter, then there's no point arguing with you as you are arguing from a point of ignorance, not I.
You should do some reading into the absolute certainty that people can and have believed things that are absolutely, verifiably, demonstratively false. Interviews with people with mental instability that have been able to overcome issues through medication or other means, and can describe the unwavering belief that what they used to think was true, even though they know now it was false.
I am done here. No further responses...
Not to say I won't bite again if you pipe up on another video mind you.