Teabagger: 'Separation of Church and State' came from Hitler

Tea Party candidate for Delaware congress, Glen Urquhart, telling voters that the phrase "separation of church and state" came from Adolph Hitler.

The teacher who contradicts Urquhart in the video is correct. Here is Thomas Jefferson's full quote - written 87 years before the birth of Adolf Hitler:

Believing that religion is a matter which lies solely between man and his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legislative powers of government reach actions only, and not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their Legislature should "make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof," thus building a wall of separation between Church and State. -Thomas Jefferson
ravermansays...

The logic behind this is a paradox that always twists my mind

"Freedom of religion means that i can enforce my religion in state law so NOONE is free to NOT follow my religion"

How can people not see that is enslavement by religion not freedom of religion

rougysays...

"...the next time some of your liberal friends ask about the separation of church and state, ask them why they're nazi's...."

"Have I stopped beating my wife?"

Funny you should ask!

Drachen_Jagersays...

Hitler had a deal with the Vatican that Germany would not separate church and state, in return for which the Pope turned a blind eye to the holocaust.

To this day the government of Germany collects church taxes because of that deal, Catholicism is taught in schools.

So not only is this guy WRONG he's actually on the exact opposite side of the truth.

MycroftHomlzsays...

To messers. Nehemiah Dodge, Ephraim Robbins, & Stephen S. Nelson, a committee of the Danbury Baptist association in the state of Connecticut.

Gentlemen

The affectionate sentiments of esteem and approbation which you are so good as to express towards me, on behalf of the Danbury Baptist association, give me the highest satisfaction. my duties dictate a faithful and zealous pursuit of the interests of my constituents, & in proportion as they are persuaded of my fidelity to those duties, the discharge of them becomes more and more pleasing.

Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between Man & his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legitimate powers of government reach actions only, & not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should "make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof," thus building a wall of separation between Church & State. Adhering to this expression of the supreme will of the nation in behalf of the rights of conscience, I shall see with sincere satisfaction the progress of those sentiments which tend to restore to man all his natural rights, convinced he has no natural right in opposition to his social duties.

I reciprocate your kind prayers for the protection & blessing of the common father and creator of man, and tender you for yourselves & your religious association, assurances of my high respect & esteem.

Th Jefferson
Jan. 1. 1802.

rougysays...

"The affectionate sentiments of esteem and approbation which you are so good as to express towards me..."

These are words of the herd, not of the pack, like us.

Do you remember?

You and I hunted on the plain past the mounds of dust.

Omnivorous, we ate everything in our path.

I remember that day distinctly.

When a little god and I

Ran rampant across the Savannah

BicycleRepairMansays...

I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their "legislature" should "make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof," thus building a wall of separation between church and State."

-Thomas Jefferson, 87 years before Hitler was born. Why was he such a Nazi?


(http://www.usconstitution.net/jeffwall.html)

Doh! reading-descriptionfail on my part

LarsaruSsays...

>> ^MycroftHomlz:

To messers. Nehemiah Dodge, Ephraim Robbins, & Stephen S. Nelson, a committee of the Danbury Baptist association in the state of Connecticut.
Gentlemen
The affectionate sentiments of esteem and approbation which you are so good as to express towards me, on behalf of the Danbury Baptist association, give me the highest satisfaction. my duties dictate a faithful and zealous pursuit of the interests of my constituents, & in proportion as they are persuaded of my fidelity to those duties, the discharge of them becomes more and more pleasing.
Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between Man & his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legitimate powers of government reach actions only, & not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should "make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof," thus building a wall of separation between Church & State. Adhering to this expression of the supreme will of the nation in behalf of the rights of conscience, I shall see with sincere satisfaction the progress of those sentiments which tend to restore to man all his natural rights, convinced he has no natural right in opposition to his social duties.
I reciprocate your kind prayers for the protection & blessing of the common father and creator of man, and tender you for yourselves & your religious association, assurances of my high respect & esteem.
Th Jefferson
Jan. 1. 1802.


Awww, come on! You can't let fact stand in the way of truth! That's evil!

dannym3141says...

I didn't know hitler could speak english to coin the english phrase.

Do you know what, i'm pretty sure a lot of evil bastards have, at some point or another, in some language or another, said "i'm going to the toilet". Anyone who says that must be xenophobic with tendancies towards mass murder.

BicycleRepairMansays...

>> ^dannym3141:

I didn't know hitler could speak english to coin the english phrase.
Do you know what, i'm pretty sure a lot of evil bastards have, at some point or another, in some language or another, said "i'm going to the toilet". Anyone who says that must be xenophobic with tendancies towards mass murder.


You know what they say: "If English was good enough for Jesus, its good enough for me"

ElessarJDsays...

I see a lot of people on this site (and liberals in general) use the phrase teabagger. I thought tea party people and conservatives were suppose to be "ignorant" and stereotype groups of people? I lean more towards liberal ideals myself, but I also try to be reasonable. Name calling is not reasonable. In healthy opposition there are typically valid points to both sides. Don't resort to childish remarks simply because you do not like someone's viewpoint.

Keep in mind this man doesn't represent the entire tea party. Thinking that would be stereotyping.

dystopianfuturetodaysays...

Naming your corporately funded, ultra conservative movement after the Boston Tea Party - which was in protest of the biggest corporation of that time, the East India Trading Company - doesn't sit well with me. I'm choosing to mock rather than reinforce the misnomer.

>> ^ElessarJD:

I see a lot of people on this site (and liberals in general) use the phrase teabagger. I thought tea party people and conservatives were suppose to be "ignorant" and stereotype groups of people? I lean more towards liberal ideals myself, but I also try to be reasonable. Name calling is not reasonable. In healthy opposition there are typically valid points to both sides. Don't resort to childish remarks simply because you do not like someone's viewpoint.
Keep in mind this man doesn't represent the entire tea party. Thinking that would be stereotyping.

Ryjkyjsays...

>> ^ElessarJD:
I see a lot of people on this site (and liberals in general) use the phrase teabagger. I thought tea party people and conservatives were suppose to be "ignorant" and stereotype groups of people? I lean more towards liberal ideals myself, but I also try to be reasonable. Name calling is not reasonable. In healthy opposition there are typically valid points to both sides. Don't resort to childish remarks simply because you do not like someone's viewpoint.
Keep in mind this man doesn't represent the entire tea party. Thinking that would be stereotyping.


That's a really good point, and I'm glad you brought it up. Almost anyone can be said to be guilty of this at one point or another and we forget how frustrating it is when it's thrown back in our faces. It's definitely something that we all have a hard time remembering when we're doing it to someone else, and getting a reminder every once in a while is a good thing.

However...

I'd really like to mention something that's important when it comes to this particular group of people. There are those of us here on the sift that remember when this political movement started. And it's hard to forget the laughter it induced. See, when the first videos were pulled off the internet and posted here, members of the "Tea Party" (which in and of itself is offensive to many students of history) were constantly referring to THEMSELVES as "Tea Baggers". It actually took a few weeks before the whole thing could get under control and they could all agree on what to call themselves.

Now, I know it's also an asshole tactic to bring up something from the past when someone might have made a legitimate mistake like calling themselves a "Teabagger". But let's not forget, this is a group that claims to be made up of all types of Americans, when over time, it's pretty much been shown to be made up mostly of "old white people". Exactly the sort of people who would be out of touch enough with popular culture that they would use slang for rubbing your genitals on someone's face to describe themselves. I'd also like to point out that some of them STILL describe themselves this way even after the majority has caught on.

All in all, it's very telling. And I gotta admit, it cracks me up now that they deny like crazy that they ever called themselves Teabaggers. We all know they did.

NordlichReitersays...

Here's a break down of my thoughts.
"I know where it came from, I'm the history teacher."
"It came from Hitler's mouth"
*Face Contorts*
*Mouth forms the F Shape*
*RAGE BUILDING*
FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU-


IAmTheBlurrsays...

>> ^EmptyFriend:

Hitler also enjoyed sandwiches. Next time your friend eats a sandwich, ask them why they're nazis.


He also enjoyed painting and he was a historian. I'm definitely going to call all of my historian friends Nazi's now, especially the ones who paint while eating sandwiches!

handmethekeysyousays...

I like that he claims "that exact phrase is not in Jefferson's letter" (lie). But then "that exact phrase came out of Adolf Hitler's mouth". I didn't realize Hitler switched to English when discussing German domestic policy.

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