Very interesting video, which I recommend watching.

Short summary for those who may not have the time/patience to watch the whole thing:

- Thermate was found throughout the dust from the WTC collapse.

- Thermate is thermite that has been mixed with sulphur, to keep the iron in the thermite molten longer, which helps when using thermite to cut through steel.

Ohh, for fuck's sake: http://www.debunking911.com/thermite.htm

It was not a goddamn government conspiracy... It was a plot formed and carried out by a radical Islamic group, who held grievance against the US for infractions they felt were made against the Muslim world. Including: the presence of US bases on holy Saudi land; the interference with Iranian politics (installing the pro-western Shah via coup in the 1970s); the first Gulf war against Iraq; the support of Israel's occupation of the Palestinian territories; etc. etc.

Grow the hell up and realise what is really going on the world, so that governments can learn not to just muscle around Middle Eastern nations, giving rise to such groups which do seek to exploit an angry muslim populace.

Which radical Islamic group was that now? AlQaida? An international terrorist organization that doesn't exist outside of the mainstream media?

>> ^BoneyD:
Ohh, for fuck's sake: http://www.debunking911.com/thermite.htm


Have you actually watched this video? I don't see how your link is relevant?

This video is not discussing photos showing "angle of the cuts".
There is no accusation here related to firemen.
This is not related to the "yellow residue".

What is stated here is that the dust cloud from the collapse of the towers, that covered several blocks, contained thermate.

The dust cloud occurred prior to the cleanup operation.

Ah yes.. the thermite samples which nobody else is allowed to look at.

Reminds me... of me, and the beachball sized diamond I own.

The thing I like about this guy is that he's a scientist first. He doesn't rant like a madman. He's very soft-spoken, he's not even a very good public speaker but he's a scientist who has respect for his trade.

I'll never insult those who believe that the troofers are crazy because I used to be one of them. All I ask is that you watch this video and address the claims therein.

I'm not sure that fire forensics guidelines require investigators to look specifically for Thermite when specifying "accelerants" but I'm not a fireman, It's work looking into.

Incidentally, 2500° C = 4532° F.

3: I will encamp against you all around;
I will encircle you with towers
and set up my siege works against you.

4: Brought low, you will speak from the ground;
your speech will mumble out of the dust.
Your voice will come ghostlike from the earth;
out of the dust your speech will whisper.

Isaiah 29 (New International Version)

But wait, what's this?



With the enclosed description:

From my local drugstore (specialist for paints)
I had some aluminum powder left.

When U mix it together with plaster powder
the aluminum can react with it.
But it needs a high temperature to ignite it.
Here I used a sparkler as a fuse.

I placed the mixture in a tin-can of peanuts.

WOW. Really a bright light,
overmodulating my camera.

This reaction produces an enormous heat,
melting the tin-can into an irregular shaped
piece of junk.
Residual aluminum or plaster cannot be found
after the reaction. The only thing is a slight
odour of rotten eggs
(H2S - hydrogen sulfide).

And another...


This mixture is stronger than thermite use aluminum powder with anhydrous Calcium sulfate(Gypsum heating above 250 °C),reaction start by ignite magnesium ribbon,and the chemical equation is:
3CaSO4+8Al=3CaS+4Al2O3

The cold fusion guy? You know he is a fraud right.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steven_E._Jones

...

At a March Meeting special session on Cold Fusion, the consensus was that Jones had either grossly misrepresented his data, made egregious errors in his data analysis or committed academic fraud. Many other researchers, including myself think the later.

Fraud may have been a strong word, but I stand by it.

http://partners.nytimes.com/library/national/science/050399sci-cold-fusion.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muon-catalyzed_fusion

"I'm more inclined to believe an independent analysis then a government funded analysis."

Are you implying that the government has control over what the researchers at NIST publish?

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>> ^MycroftHomlz:
At a March Meeting special session on Cold Fusion, the consensus was that Jones had either grossly misrepresented his data, made egregious errors in his data analysis or committed academic fraud. Many other researchers, including myself think the later.
Fraud may have been a strong word, but I stand by it.
http://partners.nytimes.com/library/national/science/050399sci-cold-fusion.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muon-catalyzed_fusion


The first article you posted is about the furor caused by Dr.Fleischmann and Dr. Pons, not Steven Jones.

"Some of the new experiments also sought to reproduce the less contentious findings on cold fusion reported independently by Dr. Steven E. Jones and his colleagues at Brigham Young University in Utah. Dr. Jones, who used a device similar to the one in the Pons-Fleischmann experiment, did not claim that any useful energy was produced. But he did report that slightly more neutrons were detected while the cell was operating than could be expected from normal sources. The result suggests at least the possibility of fusion, he said, although it is not likely to be useful as an energy source.

Physicists who have investigated Dr. Jones's report have been fairly restrained in their criticism, acknowledging that Dr. Jones is a careful scientist. But from the outset they have expressed profound skepticism of claims by Dr. Fleischmann and Dr. Pons."

The second article, from wikipedia, mentions him once:

"Indeed, the team led by Steven E. Jones achieved 150 d-t fusions per muon (average) at the Los Alamos Meson Physics Facility.[31] Unfortunately, 200 (or 250 or even 333) muon-catalyzed d-t fusions per muon are still not quite enough even to reach "break-even," where as much thermal energy is generated (or output) as the electrical energy that was used up (or input) to make the muon in the first place."

In other words: MycroftHomlz, here's your ass.

Jones was at the center of the Cold Fusion controversy. As someone in the Physics community, I am telling you how he is seen, which is as either a really bad scientist or a fraud.

The bottom line is:

We have to be willing to accept the results that science gives us. If we experimentally determine something to be true, then to the best of our knowledge within the confines of the experiment, it is true. And we should accept that truth until another experiment proves otherwise. This doesn't mean we shouldn't question these truths. What it means is if we decide to call them false then we better have damn good evidence. To do things differently is a slap in the face to everyone who calls themselves a scientist. And I take it personally.

Don't like it? Do research and publish your findings in a paper in a peer-reviewed journal.

Let me assure of one thing: No one tells the people at NIST or in any government lab what to publish. The scientist there are autonomous from their administrators.

"More science about the 9/11 conspiracy!"

'Science' -- do you have the slightest idea what this fucking word even means?

....

"Face it, there are people out there that do not believe in science with the fervor that you do."


You're the reason everything sucks.

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>> ^StukaFox:
"More science about the 9/11 conspiracy!"
'Science' -- do you have the slightest idea what this fucking word even means?


Yes.

Any person at the centre of the Physics community should know full well how people who challenge the mainstream are treated.

Fact is, we still don't know the truth. That's all you need to know really.

My dick is made of gold.

I have poorly documented, heavily contested "proof" that shows it. I will not listen to your scientific analysis attacking my claims because you are OBVIOUSLY part of a conspiracy created to discredit me and my golden junk.

If you believe 9/11 was an "inside job," then put up or shut up. Start a revolution and overthrow the government. Otherwise cram it and leave us sane people alone, or just kill yourself and really make the world a better place.

And to the person that thinks Al-Qaeda is a "made up organization"...shut up, seriously shut up. Read a book or two about America's involvement with Al-Qaeda, the life of Osama Bin Laden, the sick, sad history of Afghanistan and any of the other thousands of pre-9/11 documents, articles and government papers that reference the organization that your pathetic waste of skin thinks is made up.

You all suck.

>> ^heathen:
>> ^BoneyD:
Ohh, for fuck's sake: http://www.debunking911.com/thermite.htm

Have you actually watched this video? I don't see how your link is relevant?
This video is not discussing photos showing "angle of the cuts".
There is no accusation here related to firemen.
This is not related to the "yellow residue".
What is stated here is that the dust cloud from the collapse of the towers, that covered several blocks, contained thermate.
The dust cloud occurred prior to the cleanup operation.


What are you talking about? The link describes how clean up began fairly soon after the collapse, where they used thermite to cut the remaining columns. It could very well have been all over the place.

This other page they foward to (if you read my link?) talks about the absurdity of an apparatus required to set off a thermite cutting device on a column. Which would be bulky and clearly visible as the walls would have to be moved in to fit them.

Anyway, to be honest, I'm not up to scratch with all the physics here... because I don't need to be. I can accept that Al-Qaeda has the capasity and the will to pull off an attack as sophisticated as this, employing a style they have used before (ie. multiple simultaneous attacks on two or more targets), and the vast bulk of verifyable evidence points to this being the case. Richard Clarke stated in his book 'Against All Enemies' that an attack using airliners was not unknown as a probable tactic in intelligence circles.

What I think is happening with conspiracy theorists is that they can't accept that the "simple people" of the Middle East are as smart and as resourceful as any westerner. It is hubris to assume that they are lesser people to be pittied and unable to comprehend what the West has been doing to them. America is a fantastic nation and has accomplished some truly amazing things in its history, but it really has to get this superiority chip off its shoulder and learn a little humility.

>> ^BoneyD:
What are you talking about? The link describes how clean up began fairly soon after the collapse, where they used thermite to cut the remaining columns. It could very well have been all over the place ...
... What I think is happening with conspiracy theorists is that they can't accept that the "simple people" of the Middle East are as smart and as resourceful as any westerner. It is hubris to assume that they are lesser people to be pittied and unable to comprehend what the West has been doing to them. America is a fantastic nation and has accomplished some truly amazing things in its history, but it really has to get this superiority chip off its shoulder and learn a little humility.


I do not see the people of the Middle East as "simple", and I resent your implication that I would be so ignorant.
I am also not American, so please stop throwing generalisations and hypothetical accusations at me.

Please look at the facts presented in the video, rather than basing your argument on opinions you have formed prior to watching it.


I can't speak for anyone else but I am not trying to assign blame to anyone here, neither to the American government nor to Al-Qaeda.

What I am saying is that planes striking the towers the way they did being the cause of the towers falling in such a clean and compact manner is highly unlikely, if not impossible.

Thermate was found to be throughout the dust from the collapse, covering several blocks, including in rooms four stories up. This is not localised thermate residue from the clean up of the site, there would be no need to cut any steel that far away.

The idea that two towers can fall cleanly into their own footprint from two plane strikes, and a third that was not struck also fall in the same manner, is incredible.
When combined with the information that Thermate, a material used in controlled demolition of buildings with steel structures, has been found all over a wide area in and around the site then the idea that only the planes caused the collapse seems ridiculous.

I would be just as happy if the government said that they agreed the terrorists appear to have used more than just the planes to bring down the towers and that they were going to commence an investigation of how they could have got the thermate and other explosives onto the site.

>> ^LostTurntable:
If you believe 9/11 was an "inside job," then put up or shut up.

But you see, friend, by posting this video, we are, in pure point of fact, putting up. Since you didn't watch it and are insulting those who did, methinks you are the one that should do the shutting. Oooof! Pow! Whammy!

NordlichReiter, Why did you delete all you comments?

if anyone could summarize what the possible presence of thermate in the debris means that would be great (sorry but the video is a bit long).

what are the only possible explanations for it's presence?

thanks

Posting a video online does not constitute scientific research.

>> ^shuac:
>> ^LostTurntable:
If you believe 9/11 was an "inside job," then put up or shut up.
But you see, friend, by posting this video, we are, in pure point of fact, putting up. Since you didn't watch it and are insulting those who did, methinks you are the one that should do the shutting. Oooof! Pow! Whammy!

Heathen, I'm directing that assertion at all the theorists frankly. You can be offended all you like, but the reason is as follows:

What does all this bullshit about it being an 'inside job' do to relatives of people who died on the day that have been unable to properly grieve? Thinking that there may be some unpunished crime that lead to their child's/father's/mother's death.

Ok, lets say what you're implying is true... lets say the US government, or clandestine parties within, hijacked four planes and flew them at four targets within their own borders. How can it be that NO official document has come to light in the last eight years with even a hint of any of this being orchestrated, nor has even a single whistle-blower come foward. Also... the Republican party risks being caught! If they were implicated in masterminding this, it would have them all sent to the gas chamber or shot by firing squad, with no exception! There is no way they would take the chance with a plot as risky as that.

By the way, do you really think a government that has bungled the Iraq/Afghanistan wars so badly, that we know so much about, could be pulled off by the lunatics currently in power?

Again, this is not just directed at you, but you must realise what entertaining the idea of what is suggested implies. And no, I didn't watch all of this, I just can't... it's such a frustrating grind to sit through so much waffle. If there was thermite in the dust everywhere, then there must be another logical explaination. Period. And by the way, the building did not just fall in it's footprint. There was extensive damage and fires cause in surrounding buildings, which is completely unlike a controlled razing.

I do not normally downvote videos, as I feel they need to be within a certain threshold of unsuitability for VideoSift. But I will now, I'm getting really sick of this disappointing garbage.

>> ^MycroftHomlz:
Posting a video online does not constitute scientific research.

I am educated and I have a better than basic understanding of scientific principles (probably not as much as you, Mycroft) but I don't feel I'm qualified to perform scientific research myself. I'll leave that up to real scientists.

I'm gangbusters at my own trade so if you need some Technical Writing done, you could do worse than me.

Besides, that guy said "put up or shut up" so I was responding to that part. Way to change the argument.

Boney, I hear you, I really do. And all the things you mentioned were what kept me from siding with the theorists for years.

But when you consider 1) the info in this video, 2) the firefighters witnessing molten steel in the substructure lasting for weeks, 3) the WTC maintenance guy working in the basement getting his skin blasted off from an explosion down there, 4) multiple reports of secondary explosions

There are other items but those are the ones I have at the top of my head.

And I agree with you that the entire list of these items is not enough to point fingers at any specific organization. I'm not yet prepared to say "it was the gub'ment." We just feel like these are important questions that are worth a better answer than just "oh for fuck's sake" and ad hominem attacks. We need an independent investigation and many of us do not feel like we've seen one.

>> ^shuac:
>> ^MycroftHomlz:
Posting a video online does not constitute scientific research.
I am educated and I have a better than basic understanding of scientific principles (probably not as much as you, Mycroft) but I don't feel I'm qualified to perform scientific research myself. I'll leave that up to real scientists.
I'm gangbusters at my own trade so if you need some Technical Writing done, you could do worse than me.
Besides, that guy said "put up or shut up" so I was responding to that part. Way to change the argument.



When I said "put up or shut up" I meant that if you really honestly and truly believe that the government set up 9/11 and planned the murder of thousands of innocent civilians then you should start a damned revolution, march on the streets, because the people who are controlling your day-to-day lives are murderers. You pay taxes? Why? You're funding government-sponsored terrorism!! Quit your job, get in a shack and start fighting back.

But you won't do that because you either A) don't really believe what you are saying or B) too comfortable in your pathetic little life than to do anymore than whine like a baby on YouTube about how right you are despite thousands of documents proving otherwise because you are so damned vain and full of yourself that no one but yourself can possibly be right. Sure, everyone who is more educated, more experenced, was actually THERE, knows less than you MR. Anonymous Wanker On The Net with an abundance of grainy web video that disproves EVERYTHING EVER.

Shut up or run for office/start the revolution if you really believe the crap that's coming out of your sad, worthless excuse for a brain.

>> ^LostTurntable:
>> ^shuac:
>> ^MycroftHomlz:
Posting a video online does not constitute scientific research.
I am educated and I have a better than basic understanding of scientific principles (probably not as much as you, Mycroft) but I don't feel I'm qualified to perform scientific research myself. I'll leave that up to real scientists.
I'm gangbusters at my own trade so if you need some Technical Writing done, you could do worse than me.
Besides, that guy said "put up or shut up" so I was responding to that part. Way to change the argument.


When I said "put up or shut up" I meant that if you really honestly and truly believe that the government set up 9/11 and planned the murder of thousands of innocent civilians then you should start a damned revolution, march on the streets, because the people who are controlling your day-to-day lives are murderers. You pay taxes? Why? You're funding government-sponsored terrorism!! Quit your job, get in a shack and start fighting back.
But you won't do that because you either A) don't really believe what you are saying or B) too comfortable in your pathetic little life than to do anymore than whine like a baby on YouTube about how right you are despite thousands of documents proving otherwise because you are so damned vain and full of yourself that no one but yourself can possibly be right. Sure, everyone who is more educated, more experenced, was actually THERE, knows less than you MR. Anonymous Wanker On The Net with an abundance of grainy web video that disproves EVERYTHING EVER.
Shut up or run for office/start the revolution if you really believe the crap that's coming out of your sad, worthless excuse for a brain.


Crikey, someone needs a hug!

I think there's about a million steps between a) doing nothing and b) starting a revolution. I think I'll choose one of those million, dude, and if you want to call me names, that's perfectly OK. I'm a big boy now.

The post above that you did not read said that I don't know who's "behind this." I really don't. There's not enough evidence to say what really happened let alone who's "behind it." There may not be anyone behind it, like that movie "Cube."

So while it makes you feel better to claim we all hate the government and we should start a revolution instead of posting videos (how asinine is that logic by the way?) we're going to keep up the fight anyway. If that makes you uncomfortable, then you should find a way to handle it. I have faith in you, Turntable.

All we are saying is give peace a chance...no wait. All we're saying is that these are valid questions that deserve answers. And we didn't get this information from grainy video. We got it from interviews and testimonials.

The FDNY has said the WTC substructure was "like a foundry" filled with molten steel. How did it get there? How did that steel melt? That didn't appear on any video. Are the FDNY lying? See what I'm saying, Turntable?

I'd like to hear an answer, that's all.

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