Yeah, Israeli footage proves it all.

Reminds me of, oh, I don't know, all of those weapons Colin Powel told us about in Iraq.

Or this:

Tel Aviv - The United Nations suspended all activities in the Gaza Strip Thursday, accusing Israeli soldiers of firing on a marked UN vehicle during a three-hour humanitarian cease-fire initiated by Israel.
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Of course, Israel will deny that, or come up with some plausible excuse, and of course, we all better believe them or else we're just racists.

Let's not forget that relief boat that they rammed, then denied ramming.

According to many sources, a lot of people were killed in those schools and none of them were militants.

But if Israel says they are, well then, who the fuck are we to disagree?

Just a bunch of racists, right?

I'm sorry, man. I know there's two sides to the story, but this is just bullshit and everybody in the world can see it.

Israel, and I'm talking about the political body of the country, has one plan for the Palestinians: complete eradication.

Even if Hamas was out of the picture and the Gazans were doing everything by the book, they would still get pushed around and bombed and blockaded until somebody snapped and gave the IDF another reason to bomb the holy hell out of everything.

Screw that, since when should we be using YT videos from the IDF psyops division???!!!??!

WHat kind of military has a YT page, let alone rabid followers trying to disseminate it far and wide. Go back to their twitter feed.

This is disgusting.

>> ^joedirt:
Screw that, since when should we be using YT videos...

Welcome to 2009 Dirt. The terrorists have no problem using the new media to publicize real or faux scenes of causualties (or mujahadeen decapitation sessions a' la A.Q. in Iraq did for a while). The good guys (US and IDF) need to be in this arena as well.

War coverage changes with the times:
US Civil War - Telegraph
WWI - Radio
WWII - Film
Viet Nam - TV

TV and especially Newspapers are a dying medium. Here is where it's at. And this allows interested citizens (like you and I) a voice. And while we disagree, I appreciate being able to hear yours.

You really can't fathom the difference between war coverage, and a military entity putting up their own YT videos?

>> ^joedirt:
You really can't fathom the difference between war coverage, and a military entity putting up their own YT videos?


Militaries have Always released information (selectively). This is a new medium, not a new phenomenon.

Do you see a difference between the IDF/YT vidoes, and the Pentagon's bomb-view videoes from Gulf War One?

So according to the same logic, we should not sift videos posted by Al-Qaeda because they're in a conflict with the U.S.
Or videos from police cars because they were released by a government entity.

Indeed, the only sift worthy source are home videos. Provided they're not actually viral videos from an ad agency.

Videos selected and posted by the IDF or US Military forces media divisions are selected for the sole reason of justifying and illuminating the conflicts in favorable light. You will notice that the IDF nor any other military force never posted blue on blue incidents or civilian deaths, the US bombing of friendly UK forces was only revealed post video leak.

Media management of the military has been institutionalized ever since the media coverage of the Vietnam war. That's why the IDF does not allow any foreign media into GAZA and is actively restricting access to the war zone, the same way the US tried to do with Gulf War 2 with it's media embeds.

God you're so fucking stupid.

>> ^Farhad2000:
Videos selected and posted by the IDF or US Military forces media divisions are selected for the sole reason of justifying and illuminating the conflicts in favorable light. You will notice that the IDF nor any other military force never posted blue on blue incidents or civilian deaths, the US bombing of friendly UK forces was only revealed post video leak.
Media management of the military has been institutionalized ever since the media coverage of the Vietnam war. That's why the IDF does not allow any foreign media into GAZA and is actively restricting access to the war zone, the same way the US tried to do with Gulf War 2 with it's media embeds.
God you're so fucking stupid.


Farhead - Of course they release videos which show themselves in a justifying light. This is frequently necessatated by the Pallywood productions showing fake corpses, dead or wounded "civilians" or "children" (when both are actually participating combatants).

The internet has made information available as never before, and the military must release it there too. The public demands it. And it's not all official. Citizen/soldiers now blog and post their own pics and video.

Quite living in your stone-age paradigm and accept reality.

And your ad hominim attacks, "God you're so fucking stupid", detract from your entire attempt at a logical statement, making you seem instead like a blustering asshat. Try to belay that talk, and help to raise the quality of discourse around here.

Here ya go my Pugnacious little Roogy Pal:
(Who thinks 9/11 was an inside job, and that the Joos should just shutup and die quiet.)

Tel Aviv - The United Nations suspended all activities in the Gaza Strip Thursday, accusing Israeli soldiers of firing on a marked UN vehicle during a three-hour humanitarian cease-fire initiated by Israel.

Don't be a boob. It's well known now that Hamas is using UN-flagged ambulances as troop carriers http://www.videosift.com/video/Hamas-using-UN-ambulances-as-troop-carriers

Of course, Israel will deny that, or come up with some plausible excuse, and of course, we all better believe them or else we're just racists.

While no one has a monopoly on truth, you hear a lot more from the IDF than from the psychotic Islamofascist warlords of Hamas. You do sound racist in your comments quite often, but I'm willing to give you the benefit of the doubt, for now.

Let's not forget that relief boat that they rammed, then denied ramming.

Oh yes, Moonbat Love Boat. Give me an F-ing break! If Israel let every two-bit terrorist sympathizer through Gaza would be even more awash in weapons. For trying to break a legal military blockade; ramming them was kid glove treatment. They could be sleeping with Davey Jones.

According to many sources, a lot of people were killed in those schools and none of them were militants.

Ya, according to many of the same sources, The Joos are descended from Pigs and Monkeys too.

But if Israel says they are, well then, who the fuck are we to disagree?

Just a bunch of racists, right?

I prefer to regard you as what Lenin referred to as a "Useful Idiot". Just try not to pass it on socially or genetically

I'm sorry, man. I know there's two sides to the story, but this is just bullshit and everybody in the world can see it.

No, there are plenty of people outside your echochamber who see the truth, and the perversion thereof which the Islamofascists and their sympathizers have foisted on Europe, The Media, and Left Wing Intelligentia in general.

Israel, and I'm talking about the political body of the country, has one plan for the Palestinians: complete eradication.

Even if Hamas was out of the picture and the Gazans were doing everything by the book, they would still get pushed around and bombed and blockaded until somebody snapped and gave the IDF another reason to bomb the holy hell out of everything.

Gaza would be at peace without the armed terrorist resistance of Hamas. There would be no blockade or checkpoints. There would be jobs and plenty for all. Hamas and their fuckwit apologists have gotten us where we are. Israel has no interest than to be left in peace. Try supporting that.

Oh Pallywood? See I don't need to say you're an idiot you just prove it yourself.

Pallywood is an allegation thrown about pro-Israel media watchers like you who armchair events from YouTube videos from sources you don't even know. It's centered around a few events in the entire history of the conflict and hasn't even been touched by CAMERA and MERMI TV because its such a heinous allegation, to claim that the suffering of the Palestinians is staged in anyway.

Why? Because it's fucking stupid. But you buy it willingly. What next you're going to claim the reported deaths are also made up by Pro-Palestinian sources like Red Cross and the UN?

By the way me calling you stupid is not a ad hominim it's just a statement of facts, because you add nothing logical or constructive to the discussions simply a right wing interpretation of the situation that benefits neither Israel nor Palestine.

Yes Hamas is bad, we get the fucking picture. But you can't lance an organization like Hamas out with military action, no bombs, guided missiles or IDf incursions will stop this. Israel went from roundly defeating Arab armies along its entire border zones in the 60s to being unable to stop Hezboallah or Hamas from occasionally firing the odd missile. The unilateral military actions simply don't work, there needs to be a re engagement of how Israel deals with this situation instead of shooting itself in the foot by coming off as a unnecessary aggressor.

But you don't see that and actually think Israel can win this through bombs and war. Israel asked for this and will keep getting it as long as it believes this is the only course of action.

But what do you care right? You can say whatever you want I mean this all really doesn't affect you anyway. So yeah Pallywood and lets kill all the muslims.

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