Raw; Iranian Police Shoot Protester

"June 20th, Tehran, Police open fire on protesters in Tehran, protests after election JUNE 2009" [/liveleak]
rougysays...

I'll upvote and watch it later.

Earlier today I saw a segment of a young woman, in her twenty's or teens, lying in the street and staying alive long enough to look at the camera and fade away.

It was very difficult to watch, and I can't watch it again.

Psychologicsays...

I'm really curious what is going on here. It looks like the guys up front are setting fire to stuff, and I saw at least one person throwing rocks. I really wish the video showed what was happening right as they opened fire.

This doesn't look like the police attacking "nonviolent demonstrators". There was definitely some destruction going on before the shooting (though I'm not sure what they were destroying).

Firing on those people definitely seems like excessive force, but it doesn't look totally unprovoked. There will always be people who use such general disorder as an opportunity to take their frustration and anger out on their choice of targets. Unfortunately that also gives the government a visible excuse to respond aggressively, even if disproportionately so.

chilaxesays...

>> ^rougy:
I'll upvote and watch it later.
Earlier today I saw a segment of a young woman, in her twenty's or teens, lying in the street and staying alive long enough to look at the camera and fade away.
It was very difficult to watch, and I can't watch it again.


I believe this is the video of that girl... referred to as Neda. Sad.

curiousitysays...

>> ^Psychologic:
I'm really curious what is going on here. It looks like the guys up front are setting fire to stuff, and I saw at least one person throwing rocks. I really wish the video showed what was happening right as they opened fire.
This doesn't look like the police attacking "nonviolent demonstrators". There was definitely some destruction going on before the shooting (though I'm not sure what they were destroying).
Firing on those people definitely seems like excessive force, but it doesn't look totally unprovoked. There will always be people who use such general disorder as an opportunity to take their frustration and anger out on their choice of targets. Unfortunately that also gives the government a visible excuse to respond aggressively, even if disproportionately so.


From what I understand, the protests started out with nonviolence; however, the pro-government militia, the Basij, started beating people for protesting. If I heard correctly, the police were actually protecting the protesters from the Basij during the first couple of protests.

But with every protest, you can almost guarantee that some protesters are using violence and destruction.

imstellar28says...

Infuriating.

Why won't the police/Basij/military defect and join the protesters? Presumably they too have families and face the same consequences as the citizens; how could you kill your neighbors under such unjust orders?

mrk871says...

>> ^imstellar28:
Infuriating.
Why won't the police/Basij/military defect and join the protesters? Presumably they too have families and face the same consequences as the citizens; how could you kill your neighbors under such unjust orders?



My guess is that they are paid a lot. So they just act under orders and can look after their families well.

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