"Not everyone who voted for Trump is a sexist or a racist (...) but I can't say things like that to my friends because I'd get lynched."



Quality Pie.

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Superb quality, this one.

The Blame Cannons are already in firing position. It's the fault of Glenn Greenwald and David Sirota, of Abby Martin and Kevin Gosztola, of Bernie and his BernieBros, of WikiLeaks and Assange, and Putin most of all.

Anything but 40 years of fuck-the-plebs politics.

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Come on Sifty....try something new.

All the polls weren't wrong....the ones taken during the primary were dead on...the dozens that had Clinton tying or loosening to Trump, and showed Sanders winning by a landslide.

I totally blame the DNC and Clinton herself, they guaranteed this result by cheating during the primaries (and losing the votes of those they cheated) then rewarding the cheaters with top paid positions in her campaign. There was absolutely zero chance of her winning after that, and before that she only had a 50/50 chance. On top of that, it was 100%foreseeable that there would be an accusation <2weeks before the election, and no way for her to defend against it, because she's untrustworthy and opaque. Also, no one on the planet could have done more to energize the Republicans...she was their 'get out and vote', and it worked far better than the Democrat's enormous ground game. Turn those blame cannons around, Dems. This is on you.

I feel like I just drank a bottle of Buckley's...................

omg...
i must *promote this delicious nugget of truth.
liberals..own your shit.

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*Promote because I agree, this election had nothing to do with Trump, it's that people don't feel like they can speak freely or engage. And then they are handed more of the same and expected to just take it. Of course they will vote for the alternative and hope for the best. It just makes sense.

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I think the basic problem for liberals in America is a numbers game:

http://www.gallup.com/poll/180452/liberals-record-trail-conservatives.aspx

Liberals had the illusion of being the majority because certain recent victories they had culturally and politically, when in fact they were still in the minority . They tried to silence the majority, who complied, as the man said, and then voted.

The power of the vote in America is greater than decades of social conditioning; it can completely change the direction of a country politically and more importantly, ideologically. That is what is happening here, which is a course correction by the majority which will lead to some diminishment of liberal thought in America. It may not last long, however, depending on the character and nature of the Trump presidency.

Liberalism worldwide seeks to change the value system of every nation in the world. The stated goal is a one world government without borders. This is also exactly what the bible predicted would happen. Whether it happens through liberalism, or another ism, there will eventually be a one world government overseen by the Antichrist.

Ummm......she won the popular vote. Liberals ARE the majority, but are more often city dwellers. Where she won, it was by wider margins than where she lost.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/govbeat/wp/2014/01/31/conservatives-outnumber-liberals-in-47-states/

Clearly something's wrong with a poll that claims California is heavily conservative, don't you think?
Edit: I see, they include 'moderate', a class that no longer exists. Those that identified as moderate 3 years ago when the poll was taken are far more liberal leaning, and given the two choices instead of 3, you get the >70% liberal vote we saw here.
I'm going by votes, a much better measure than any poll.

That is true, but I think a similar categorical statement can be made; everyone who voted for Trump was willing to overlook sexism and racism in a presidential candidate. That is very nearly as sad.

That path only leads to depression, my friend. If sexism and/or racism is the criteria, Berlusconi was in and out of office for 17 years. Victor Orban is in office right now. Marine Le Pen is a very real possibility next year. That's a lot of Trumpets if I may borrow Mark Blythe's term for it...

It's also a lot of people willing to overlook seemingly disqualifying characteristics. Which cuts to what truly fills me with sadness: just how pathetic of an alternative must the Left, of which I am a part, be providing these days if people prefer the right-wing alternative, no matter how ugly its face might be...

And everyone who voted for Hillary was willing to overlook dirty tricks and corruption so fossilized that it will need an archeologist instead of a special prosecutor (rimshot).

I'm sorry, but there are some things that just aren't up for discussion.

If you want to discuss healthcare or taxes or foreign policy or corruption or infrastructure or any one of a hundred different issues... that's fine. We had those debates in the last few elections and sometimes there were outcomes I agreed with, sometimes not.

But on topics like racism, sexism and homophobia, liberals HAVE won the culture war AND WE SHOULD STOP FUCKING APOLOGISING FOR IT.

And that's the problem with Trump. You can't have a discussion with him or his supporters because you can't get past the fundamental problems outlined above. There is a minimum level of decency and knowledge required for a discussion, and Trump fails to meet that.

"Not everyone who voted for Trump is a racist or a sexist"... so fucking what? Who gives a shit if they are or aren't? They put one in the goddamn Whitehouse.

Well, to quote Petrus Steel, "This is the United States of America, and you've got a right to hate, who you want". Sometimes the costs of true freedom for all are distasteful.

Understand, I'm not saying that you CAN'T be a racist, sexist asshole (within legal limits obviously, no assaulting people, etc).

But I am saying that we don't need to discuss or "engage" with those people.

Well, the liberals are winning the demographic game. The majority of immigrants from Mexico are liberal, and have a much higher birthrate than multi-generation Americans. Democrats lost this one from low voter turnout, but in the long term they will win more and more until Republicans can win over a good share of minorities.

Unfortunately we have to, they live next door.

Do you know who "those people" are? I don't.

There are some people whose ideology is easily identified and most likely well-entrenched: KKK, white supremacists, nazis, take your pick. They are difficult to talk to and even more difficult to persuade.

I happen to live near a popular gathering spot for nazis (real nazis, not just someone you don't like) and have tried many times over the years: it's no bueno.

But that's only the hard core, a fraction of the ~60 million votes for Trump. If you put all of them into the corner of shame and refuse to interact with them, much less try to understand their point of view, you'll never know their reasoning for voting the way they did. You'll only push them away, reinforcing any feeling of being left behind or ignored by the, for a lack of a better word, liberals. That's no bueno either. Want to see how that turns out? Look at the state of Brandenburg in Germany.

You can either try to breach their echo chamber in an attempt to convince them of your perspective or you'll end up with either an even more divided country than before or a second Trump presidency (or Trump 2.0). It's an uncomfortable thing to do, but looking at the emergence of safe spaces, trigger warnings, blatant groupthink and whatnot on certain university campuses, some people seem to have become outright allergic towards differing opinions -- that's highly unhealthy for a society.

Trump's lies were much more exciting and beneficial to the people who were voting for him. Clinton had all these lies about "responsibility" and "middle-class" and "love" and "immigrants". GROSS. Trump lied about jobs and scapegoats and CHINA and death and we need to win!!!! We'll be great again and kick out all those [insert your racist or misogynist words here]! Imaginary jobs that don't exist will be ours if you vote for Trump!

His lies were just much more persuasive. Liberals need to start lying more about things the majority of people care about.

I'll up vote even though he got his 6-year-old to do the camera work.

Looking back on Pie's take on the Brexit vote may be helpful in light of Trump's. There's good discussion there on how the working class has been getting fucked over by years of trickle-down Reaganomics, corporatism, and austerity have played into the UK's vote on Brexit.

The same groups in the US have chosen Trump over Clinton's faux-left elitism.

*related=http://videosift.com/video/Jonathan-Pie-on-Brexit

By contrast, Keith Oberman lists reasons to be outraged by Trump,

http://videosift.com/video/176-Shocking-Things-Donald-Trump-Has-Done-This-Election

which plays well into CGP Grey's theory on memes and anger:

http://videosift.com/video/This-Video-Will-Make-You-Angry-CGP-Grey

Jonathan Pie on Brexit has been added as a related post - related requested by notarobot.

SIGN ME UP!!!

I heard at some point aliens show up, but it's a lie because God didn't create aliens, he created demons. So the demons are pretending to be aliens.

Therefore if we find life elsewhere in the universe, it's just demonic forces -- that must be defeated in Armageddon. Thank you, Jesus.

If you didn't vote Hillary, you already did.

Yeah, I do know who "those people" are, they're the fucking morons who voted for Trump.

See, here's the thing. I'm no longer interested in bringing them round or convincing them. Fuck 'em. We've had centuries of social progress from the abolition of slavery to women's suffrage to the civil rights movement to SSM. If they haven't got the message by now, I really don't give a shit.

But as a culture and a society we need to stop fucking pandering to these assholes. The idea that "everyone is entitled to an opinion" is a very important idea. But somewhere along the line that got mixed up with "everyone's opinion is equally valid".

I don't really have a solution for this. Part of me is actually considering what I would classify as extreme, abhorrent measures. Most of me just thinks that liberals or SJWs or whatever you want to call them, just need to stop being so fucking meek and apologising for being right.

Either way, we don't have time for this bullshit anymore.

This is what a fucking Trump presidency gets you.

At this stage, as utterly undemocratic as it is, I'm just hoping the Electoral College ignores the election (which it can totally do) and elects Hillary.

Yeah, she's a pretty poor candidate and she's in the pocket of business and blah, blah, fucking blah.

I don't care.

She's not an insane climate denying buffoon.

Yep, keep throwing tantrums. Yelling insults and stomping around like a 2 year old worked for Trump, why shouldn't it work for the left..? X D

And as for "Most of me just thinks that liberals or SJWs or whatever you want to call them, just need to stop being so fucking meek and apologising for being right.", give me a fucking break...

You mean those same meek people featured in thousands of hours of documented video assaulting people, screaming at people, demanding that people lose their rights to, oh I don't know, little things like the freedom of speech, expression, scientific inquiry etc...

I disagree with Trump and his hardcore supporters 100%, but they not only have the right to say whatever they want, they have the right to believe in whatever they want, and I'll defend those rights. You (and the rest of the SJW twats) want to set aside those rights? You don't even get that you're cutting off your nose to spite your face...

Seriously, you even read that post back before you hit submit? How fucking entitled do you need to be that you think democracy should be thrown out just because you don't like the result?

edit: Fuck it, you're right.

Sorry, I'm tired, stressed out and wanted to vent.

I know these aren't really solutions, but honestly, Trump scares the fuck out of me, especially on climate change.

We are all going to live to regret this.

Hi. SJW twat here.

I think we are tired of fighting. My sister is trans. She has to "engage" with bigotry every week. I don't agree with CE, and I don't particularly disagree with you but I just want to point out that for some people it is a constant battle, and this notion that we haven't been engaging, that we've been shutting out dissenting voices... for my sister those voices might be on the street, or in a bar, or on the train. Her supposed "liberal" allies are just as likely to be seen apologising for her as supporting her. So yah, I guess expect a certain degree of exasperation because it looks like the bigots won the other night.

ps. maybe you are onto something with the tantrum thing. I know you were joking and all...but it did work, so....if you can't beat em...

I get it, I really do. As a centrist, I hate the way the world is going. Bernie should have won and it feels like a bright future has been tossed in the shitheap for an uncertain one on the gamble that something will change.

We aren't the first to live in such times and won't be the last. Unfortunately.

I've been watching a lot of anti-SJW stuff lately, mostly because I am a rabid supporter of freedom of speech and I don't like the authoritarian direction a lot of the most vocal (and yes, it's a minority) of SJW's seem to be calling for.

And you know the really hilarious thing? Gays like Milo Yiannopoulous (who has to be the most conflicted gay guy on the planet), or trans like Blaire White? They are accepted. Milo drinks the kool aid a little (okay, he bought the company and consumes their entire output), but Blaire seems fairly centered, and they are accepted by fucking right wing college guys who you would think would be the first ones to yell "OMG get away faggot" or some such shit.

People are still bigoted and I have a sneaking suspicion they always will be in certain aspects, but sometimes tolerance comes from the most unlikely of places. Maybe it's acceptance due to ideological alignment, or perhaps the current generation has the exposure such that gay/trans etc isn't really that big a thing anymore, I don't know.

ps. I think Trump cashed in on riding the Bernie wave of discontent with the establishment, mostly tantrums just make you look like a dumb cunt. ; )

pps. I think my greatest disappointment with the post Trump tantrums is that the total electoral turnout is somewhere around 30-40% of eligible voters in the US? So it's not even a quorum picking the leader of what is still pretty much the biggest and most dangerous nation in the world. There's tonnes of blame to go around here unfortunately, and part of that goes to people who don't give a shit either way, something the DNC really has to own. I think Bernie would have seen record voter turnouts, whereas Clint-bot... /facepalm