lucky760says...

Seriously, everyone's just going to stand there and watch and ignore?

That's one thing that really bothers me, standing by watching someone potentially get hurt and offering not even so much as a "Hey, you alright?" and even going so far as to laugh at them instead.

For shame.

articiansays...

Can't tell if you were joking, but it seems entirely fake, so... maybe that's some relief?

Obviously it still represents some people in reality, but I think this was just a stupid staging for the sake of amusing people at the expense of someone's awkwardness.

lucky760said:

Seriously, everyone's just going to stand there and watch and ignore?

That's one thing that really bothers me, standing by watching someone potentially get hurt and offering not even so much as a "Hey, you alright?" and even going so far as to laugh at them instead.

For shame.

lucky760says...

Not at all joking.

If it was staged, then I rescind my remarks about this particular video, but the sentiment in general still stands.

I find it atrocious when people do little more than stand around laughing at someone who is in legitimate need of assistance or at least compassion from their fellow human beings.

I think that is probably lacking more in America (where so many people are so arrogant, selfish, self-centered, and entertained by and numb to the suffering of others) than many or most other first-world civilizations.

articiansaid:

Can't tell if you were joking, but it seems entirely fake, so... maybe that's some relief?

Obviously it still represents some people in reality, but I think this was just a stupid staging for the sake of amusing people at the expense of someone's awkwardness.

articiansays...

Oh good! That's nice to know.

lucky760said:

Not at all joking.

If it was staged, then I rescind my remarks about this particular video, but the sentiment in general still stands.

I find it atrocious when people do little more than stand around laughing at someone who is in legitimate need of assistance or at least compassion from their fellow human beings.

I think that is probably lacking more in America (where so many people are so arrogant, selfish, self-centered, and entertained by and numb to the suffering of others) than many or most other first-world civilizations.

newtboysays...

You remind me of the time my grandmother, at 91 years old, was walking her small dog on Memorial Drive in Houston (MAJOR street, up to hundreds of cars per minute). She tripped on a crack in the sidewalk and fell hard on her face, smashing it badly and knocking out some teeth. She ended up crawling well over 2 blocks on hands and knees in full view of the street (no bushes or trees obstructing the view), bleeding profusely down her face, and not a single car stopped to help. That was over 6 years ago, and it still boils my blood that so many people are so uncaring/unhelpful, and it makes me think these are likely the same people that beg for help at the slightest discomfort in their own lives.
Sometimes I just hate humans.

lucky760said:

Not at all joking.

If it was staged, then I rescind my remarks about this particular video, but the sentiment in general still stands.

I find it atrocious when people do little more than stand around laughing at someone who is in legitimate need of assistance or at least compassion from their fellow human beings.

I think that is probably lacking more in America (where so many people are so arrogant, selfish, self-centered, and entertained by and numb to the suffering of others) than many or most other first-world civilizations.

newtboysays...

OK, I had to re-watch because of your stance here, because I didn't hear anyone laughing....and I'm glad to say I think you're wrong this time.
No one (that I could hear) laughed, and if you crank it up at 10-11 seconds you CAN hear someone ask "are you alright?". Also, he obviously didn't need help, he got up quickly and seemed uninjured (beyond his pride). Had he lay there bleeding in his Slurpee, I would be with you, though.
I'm not saying it doesn't happen all too often (see above post), just not this time, as I see it.
Also, thinking about it, I'm guessing this is totally staged, otherwise why is it being filmed to start with?

lucky760said:

Seriously, everyone's just going to stand there and watch and ignore?

That's one thing that really bothers me, standing by watching someone potentially get hurt and offering not even so much as a "Hey, you alright?" and even going so far as to laugh at them instead.

For shame.

ulysses1904says...

It comes across as fake from the get-go. The camera just happens to be in the best position for the entrance and exit. The subject directs their comments to people off-camera and not to the person with the camera standing there the whole time in plain view who is not offering to help.

C'mon people.

lucky760says...

Pretending for a moment this isn't a suspected setup, I suppose you overlooked the fact that we're watching video of someone recording them obviously because they find some kind of entertainment in the sight of a transvestite, then they see that person they're recording eat shit pretty good and potentially get hurt, but the cameraman doesn't even flinch.

Furthermore, she then points out that "no one's going to help" clearly because there are other people out of frame who are also gawking at her like an animal, ignoring the fact that she could've just been hurt while they just continue staring.

Finally, it may be a setup, but after playing it back at 1/4 speed over and over, that twist of the ankle and fall look unexpected and genuine. Good choreography and prep work perhaps.

newtboysaid:

OK, I had to re-watch because of your stance here, because I didn't hear anyone laughing....and I'm glad to say I think you're wrong this time.
No one (that I could hear) laughed, and if you crank it up at 10-11 seconds you CAN hear someone ask "are you alright?". Also, he obviously didn't need help, he got up quickly and seemed uninjured (beyond his pride). Had he lay there bleeding in his Slurpee, I would be with you, though.
I'm not saying it doesn't happen all too often (see above post), just not this time, as I see it.
Also, thinking about it, I'm guessing this is totally staged, otherwise why is it being filmed to start with?

newtboysays...

I did think about that, but the lack of response by the camera man to the fall made me think 'setup'. If it was someone filming because they think a bearded transvestite is funny to see, I would expect raucous laughter and uncontrolled camera movement when the fall happened, but there was nothing.
That said, it did seem like a real fall, but it's easy to let yourself really fall just like that when wearing high heals...I know from experience! ;-)

Because she says 'no one's going to help' doesn't mean there's really someone there to help (besides the camera man, who she completely ignores).
The fact that he completely ignores the person closest to her and obviously paying attention to her is the best indication of 'setup' to me...but the short dress with no underwear, no attempt at all to hide the penis, and a beard were good 'tips' as well. ;-)

lucky760said:

Pretending for a moment this isn't a suspected setup, I suppose you overlooked the fact that we're watching video of someone recording them obviously because they find some kind of entertainment in the sight of a transvestite, then they see that person they're recording eat shit pretty good and potentially get hurt, but the cameraman doesn't even flinch.

Furthermore, she then points out that "no one's going to help" clearly because there are other people out of frame who are also gawking at her like an animal, ignoring the fact that she could've just been hurt while they just continue staring.

Finally, it may be a setup, but after playing it back at 1/4 speed over and over, that twist of the ankle and fall look unexpected and genuine. Good choreography and prep work perhaps.

lucky760says...

Yes, to me that's the biggest giveaway of a setup, that the cameraman is right there and she looks everywhere except in that direction.

newtboysaid:

I did think about that, but the lack of response by the camera man to the fall made me think 'setup'. If it was someone filming because they think a bearded transvestite is funny to see, I would expect raucous laughter and uncontrolled camera movement when the fall happened, but there was nothing.
That said, it did seem like a real fall, but it's easy to let yourself really fall just like that when wearing high heals...I know from experience! ;-)

Because she says 'no one's going to help' doesn't mean there's really someone there to help (besides the camera man, who she completely ignores).
The fact that he completely ignores the person closest to her and obviously paying attention to her is the best indication of 'setup' to me...but the short dress with no underwear, no attempt at all to hide the penis, and a beard were good tips as well. :-)

Trancecoachsays...

Reminds me of the time that I observed an old woman walking home from the grocery store, who tripped and fell on her face as I drove by. Blood streamed from her face as I immediately pulled over to the side of the road and ran to her aid. I shouted at the bystanders to go get some towels to stem the bleeding as I checked to see if she was okay and called for help on my (at the time, fairly rare) cellular phone.

She asked me not to call the police, but to call her son-in-law, instead. She gave me the number and he came in about 10 minutes, as I sat by her side, helped to calm her jittery nerves and ensure that she was alright.

Three years later, she called me at random to thank me for my kindness. It was the least I could do and was surprising that so few people would have done likewise.

newtboysaid:

You remind me of the time my grandmother, at 91 years old, was walking her small dog on Memorial Drive in Houston (MAJOR street, up to hundreds of cars per minute). She tripped on a crack in the sidewalk and fell hard on her face, smashing it badly and knocking out some teeth. She ended up crawling well over 2 blocks on hands and knees in full view of the street (no bushes or trees obstructing the view), bleeding profusely down her face, and not a single car stopped to help. That was over 6 years ago, and it still boils my blood that so many people are so uncaring/unhelpful, and it makes me think these are likely the same people that beg for help at the slightest discomfort in their own lives.
Sometimes I just hate humans.

bareboards2says...

I, too, thought the camera was in position to catch the "weirdo" coming out. Not looking at the camera because it was the source of shaming?

We don't know.

But what is quite wonderful is that both points of view were immediately offered, none with a shaming aspect.

Progress!

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