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I don't think he was actually recommending they "support the democrats", so much as co-opt the Democratic party. That's certainly a reasonable approach, if you want a chance to make an actual difference in less than 30 years.

>> ^Stormsinger:

I don't think he was actually recommending they "support the democrats", so much as co-opt the Democratic party. That's certainly a reasonable approach, if you want a chance to make an actual difference in less than 30 years.


They're already making a difference. The Occupy movement has been a really great success, just need some more time and clarify the message better. We don't need a party.

Speaking as someone who has some sympathies at least for their motivations but falls under the general political moderate group who's "got crap to do" and doesn't have time to actively participate in any political movements, I personally had forgotten Occupy existed for months until Maher brought this up.

You can blame that on a lot of things, but one conclusion you have to draw from this is they haven't been effective in trying to affect change for quite sometime. I don't pretend to have an answer on what they should do, but what they're doing so far hasn't worked.

>> ^Yogi:

>> ^Stormsinger:
I don't think he was actually recommending they "support the democrats", so much as co-opt the Democratic party. That's certainly a reasonable approach, if you want a chance to make an actual difference in less than 30 years.

They're already making a difference. The Occupy movement has been a really great success, just need some more time and clarify the message better. We don't need a party.

>> ^heropsycho:

Speaking as someone who has some sympathies at least for their motivations but falls under the general political moderate group who's "got crap to do" and doesn't have time to actively participate in any political movements, I personally had forgotten Occupy existed for months until Maher brought this up.
You can blame that on a lot of things, but one conclusion you have to draw from this is they haven't been effective in trying to affect change for quite sometime. I don't pretend to have an answer on what they should do, but what they're doing so far hasn't worked.
>> ^Yogi:
>> ^Stormsinger:
I don't think he was actually recommending they "support the democrats", so much as co-opt the Democratic party. That's certainly a reasonable approach, if you want a chance to make an actual difference in less than 30 years.

They're already making a difference. The Occupy movement has been a really great success, just need some more time and clarify the message better. We don't need a party.



And you'd be wrong. Not according to me, according to Noam Fucking Chomsky.

I think you're misunderstanding what I posted.

How am I wrong in making an observation that political moderates have devoted more thought and discussion about the Tea Party than about Occupy, as I'm one of those people? Did Chomsky peer into my brain to know that what I've thought about and discussed with friends is actually quite different? No.

If you think you're going to affect change by not at least being something the political moderate discuss and think about, all I'll offer is that's usually not how political movements go. The Civil Rights Movement, the quintessential social movement of the last 100 years, started with radicals fighting for an ideal, but it took off when they devised methods that caught the attention and caused a reaction by mainstream people to eventually support it. If the mainstream aren't even thinking about your movement, it's very hard to affect change.

But if you think otherwise, good luck. I'm sympathetic to the cause and hope it succeeds in several of its goals. I generally think changes they want would be good for the country, but when I objectively look at the political landscape, and it pains me to say this, the Tea Party is kicking Occupy's asses. I think that's what Maher is primarily saying, and suggesting a course of action to change that. Maybe that's not the right answer, but the current course of action seems to be leading towards political irrelevance.

>> ^Yogi:

>> ^heropsycho:
Speaking as someone who has some sympathies at least for their motivations but falls under the general political moderate group who's "got crap to do" and doesn't have time to actively participate in any political movements, I personally had forgotten Occupy existed for months until Maher brought this up.
You can blame that on a lot of things, but one conclusion you have to draw from this is they haven't been effective in trying to affect change for quite sometime. I don't pretend to have an answer on what they should do, but what they're doing so far hasn't worked.
>> ^Yogi:
>> ^Stormsinger:
I don't think he was actually recommending they "support the democrats", so much as co-opt the Democratic party. That's certainly a reasonable approach, if you want a chance to make an actual difference in less than 30 years.

They're already making a difference. The Occupy movement has been a really great success, just need some more time and clarify the message better. We don't need a party.


And you'd be wrong. Not according to me, according to Noam Fucking Chomsky.

>> ^heropsycho:

I think you're misunderstanding what I posted.
How am I wrong in making an observation that political moderates have devoted more thought and discussion about the Tea Party than about Occupy, as I'm one of those people? Did Chomsky peer into my brain to know that what I've thought about and discussed with friends is actually quite different? No.
If you think you're going to affect change by not at least being something the political moderate discuss and think about, all I'll offer is that's usually not how political movements go. The Civil Rights Movement, the quintessential social movement of the last 100 years, started with radicals fighting for an ideal, but it took off when they devised methods that caught the attention and caused a reaction by mainstream people to eventually support it. If the mainstream aren't even thinking about your movement, it's very hard to affect change.
But if you think otherwise, good luck. I'm sympathetic to the cause and hope it succeeds in several of its goals. I generally think changes they want would be good for the country, but when I objectively look at the political landscape, and it pains me to say this, the Tea Party is kicking Occupy's asses. I think that's what Maher is primarily saying, and suggesting a course of action to change that. Maybe that's not the right answer, but the current course of action seems to be leading towards political irrelevance.


No misunderstanding...just an unwillingness to explain. I don't care.

Pretty sure Occupy doesn't think the proper way to respond to honest constructive criticism is get pissy.

>> ^Yogi:

>> ^heropsycho:
I think you're misunderstanding what I posted.
How am I wrong in making an observation that political moderates have devoted more thought and discussion about the Tea Party than about Occupy, as I'm one of those people? Did Chomsky peer into my brain to know that what I've thought about and discussed with friends is actually quite different? No.
If you think you're going to affect change by not at least being something the political moderate discuss and think about, all I'll offer is that's usually not how political movements go. The Civil Rights Movement, the quintessential social movement of the last 100 years, started with radicals fighting for an ideal, but it took off when they devised methods that caught the attention and caused a reaction by mainstream people to eventually support it. If the mainstream aren't even thinking about your movement, it's very hard to affect change.
But if you think otherwise, good luck. I'm sympathetic to the cause and hope it succeeds in several of its goals. I generally think changes they want would be good for the country, but when I objectively look at the political landscape, and it pains me to say this, the Tea Party is kicking Occupy's asses. I think that's what Maher is primarily saying, and suggesting a course of action to change that. Maybe that's not the right answer, but the current course of action seems to be leading towards political irrelevance.

No misunderstanding...just an unwillingness to explain. I don't care.

>> ^heropsycho:

Pretty sure Occupy doesn't think the proper way to respond to honest constructive criticism is get pissy.
>> ^Yogi:
>> ^heropsycho:
I think you're misunderstanding what I posted.
How am I wrong in making an observation that political moderates have devoted more thought and discussion about the Tea Party than about Occupy, as I'm one of those people? Did Chomsky peer into my brain to know that what I've thought about and discussed with friends is actually quite different? No.
If you think you're going to affect change by not at least being something the political moderate discuss and think about, all I'll offer is that's usually not how political movements go. The Civil Rights Movement, the quintessential social movement of the last 100 years, started with radicals fighting for an ideal, but it took off when they devised methods that caught the attention and caused a reaction by mainstream people to eventually support it. If the mainstream aren't even thinking about your movement, it's very hard to affect change.
But if you think otherwise, good luck. I'm sympathetic to the cause and hope it succeeds in several of its goals. I generally think changes they want would be good for the country, but when I objectively look at the political landscape, and it pains me to say this, the Tea Party is kicking Occupy's asses. I think that's what Maher is primarily saying, and suggesting a course of action to change that. Maybe that's not the right answer, but the current course of action seems to be leading towards political irrelevance.

No misunderstanding...just an unwillingness to explain. I don't care.



Me not wanting to make my case and not caring if you agree with me is not me being pissy. It's me acknowledging that it's useless and stupid considering I have a final tomorrow!

You should totally stop responding and study. What's wrong with you?

LOL...