this was a show ahead of its time. Some brilliant sketches.

Was that Steve Buscemi?

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And the scary thing? Some of the things that 'scientists' did with monkeys was, really... this bad, and much, much worse.

Some really horrible stuff was done by Harry Harlow. He subjected baby monkeys to horrible, horrible things all in the name of finding out what effects having bad parental figures etc. has on children.

Now, I love science, I love the scientific method, but what he did was really horrible and cruel, and is the type of experimentation that those who are religious zealots point to and say 'Look what happens when science is allowed free reign'. Well, no, it's not the fault of science, it's the fault of someone who doesn't feel compassion for other living creatures.

With total isolation, surrogate mothers who hurt the baby monkeys and the like, you can see where a skit like this comes from. Sometimes 'scientists' lose sight of humanity.

But don't for a minute think that's confined to science... far more often you find religious extremists reducing their fellow man to less than animal status because of what they believe and feeling they are worthless and able to be exterminated.

Was that volumptuous near the end?

Harry Harlow, was that the guy with the wire mothers and the pit of despair? Valuable psychological research. It's not as if baby monkeys are sufficiently developed mentally to appreciate what's happening to them.

Have you watched any of the videos of the things he did to those monkeys and their behaviour after? They were severely mentally scarred... Monkeys are ridiculously close to us, so you would be happy for baby humans to be put through the same things he did to the monkeys?

What he demonstrated was, as others have said, just common sense outcomes, 'You do terrible things to a baby, you end up with a person/monkey who is screwed up'.

Plus he took things far, far beyond what was needed to show anything.

About the only thing good to come out of his 'research' was that there are far more stringent controls on what you can do with animals in research now.

Still, I'd expect a comment like yours after all the other ones you've made about what you think human kids should be subjected to.

Would I be happy to see baby humans in similar experiments? Sure, as long as they were destroyed before they reached too great a state of maturity. A creature's rights are determined by its awareness, not its species.

The result I best remember, that baby monkeys would prefer the comfort of a furred mother to the milk of a wire one, wasn't common sense at all, certainly not for the monkey. After they 'screwed up' their subjects, Harlow and his team worked to find ways of rehabilitating them; his research has doubtless had a positive impact on the care of abused human children.

I detest this trend for scientific and medical ethics to deviate in the eyes of the ignorant from general, rational ethics. Just because you find something distasteful doesn't mean you ban it.

^And I detest your blatent lack of understanding about the self awareness and feelings of other living things.

F*ck you for thinking that it'd be fine to do this to babies, and I for one hope that you never procreate.

Or perhaps you should so you can suddenly realize how grossly misguided and just plain dense your views are.

Really, they are disgusting.

Typical emotional reaction.