Keanu Reeves Tactical 3 gun shooting

radxsays...

At the risk of sounding like an ass: every 3-gun match I've seen looked extremely narrowed down in terms of the required skill set. The shooters are ridiculously fast and accurate, but at the end of the day, it's tagging paper and steel with an AR-15 at 20m or less. Lots of skill required to be good at it, but oh so very narrow. Like high-power, if you will.

2-gun, run & gun, even cowboy action seem to require a more diverse skill set. Events like Red October, even though it had a lot of paper at point blank this year.

bareboards2says...

All the super attractive women creeped me out. Too many of them. Keanu doesn't know any normal looking women? Creep. Pee. (I'm a cis woman, by the way, for those who don't know.)

ChaosEnginesays...

That seems kinda unfair on Keanu. This is not him hanging out with friends, this is a montage of him training at a tactical shooting school. The “super attractive women” are employees of the school (have seen them in other videos).

bareboards2said:

All the super attractive women creeped me out. Too many of them. Keanu doesn't know any normal looking women? Creep. Pee. (I'm a cis woman, by the way, for those who don't know.)

NaMeCaFsays...

How dare you bring common sense and facts into this! This is 2018 and this woman wants to feel outrage! Outrage, damn you!

ChaosEnginesaid:

That seems kinda unfair on Keanu. This is not him hanging out with friends, this is a montage of him training at a tactical shooting school. The “super attractive women” are employees of the school (have seen them in other videos).

bareboards2says...

Sorry. You're right. I shouldn't have laid it all on Keanu.

It is just creepy.

They are employees of a business. Who hired them? Where are the normal looking women?

This is Hooters, only with guns and not hamburgers and beer. Or whatever they sell there.

Would there be any normal looking women, when the intent is obviously to draw male eyes to this business?

Do you realize that you are being pandered to, you folks who are making fun of my "outrage"? Do you know you are being manipulated? Do you understand that it is super creepy if you don't know you are being manipulated?

There is a great new movement right now of women speaking up and making clear that they are intelligent and have loads to offer other than beauty. It was super thrilling to watch the Golden Globes and hear all these amazing and brilliant women talk so eloquently about something other than who made their dress.

To go from that to this parade of nubile flesh as a backdrop to gun skills .... creeped me out. It isn't real. It isn't what the world looks like. It is manufactured and disturbing when I personally am hungry for images of women DOING and being, instead of being looked at.

There are women out there who love guns and are knowledgeable about guns. And they don't all look like this.

You know I adore you completely, Chaos. And I wasn't accurate in my original post. Thank you for calling that to my attention.

But it isn't true that only you brought "common sense and facts" into this. I brought the common sense and facts, too. Just not eloquently or accurately. Being talked about like that, being reduced to "outrage" instead of being accorded some respect for noticing the unnatural assemblage of super attractive women obviously being used to as eye bait... well, that is common. Very common. And uncool.

You, though, dear friend, are super cool.

ChaosEnginesaid:

That seems kinda unfair on Keanu. This is not him hanging out with friends, this is a montage of him training at a tactical shooting school. The “super attractive women” are employees of the school (have seen them in other videos).

newtboysays...

Holy crap. WTF is that?
Attractive women can't go out in public because you're creeped out by them?!? (Super attractive? Well, 'eye of the beholder'.)
And just being near them makes men creeps?!? And Pee?!?
Why do you hate attractive and or young women?
Why do you hate men based on a nearby women's appearance?
Why would you say that, even if they had come with him?

What you're doing is 100% body/appearance shaming. Shaming them for being young, fit, and not unpleasant to look at. It sounds like jealousy, and it sounds incredibly inappropriate considering what you said afterwards. Shaming women for being attractive and fit is not supporting women in any way. Calling this a hooters is pretty insulting and dismissive to those professional, skilled, likely intelligent women, some of whom were customers.
PS: look at 3:02 for your "real women"
Where's the anger at the at least two fit, attractive men in that video?

-"I brought the common sense and facts, too. Just not eloquently or accurately"-
When you're facts and 'common sense' are inaccurate and nonsensical, you didn't really bring them.

Edit: do you have the same reaction every time you see George Clooney or DiCaprio? What disgusting creeps they must be in your eyes, since they're often accompanied by attractive women....who I guess are all Hooters bimbos, right?...and what disgusting creeps those women are, hanging out with attractive mimbos Must every red carpet be Thunder down Under? It's creepy how they manipulate women like that. You do realize they're manipulating you, right, because it's creepier if you don't.

bareboards2said:

All the super attractive women creeped me out. Too many of them. Keanu doesn't know any normal looking women? Creep. Pee. (I'm a cis woman, by the way, for those who don't know.)

newtboysays...

Isn't it pretty unfair to those women too? Even more than to Keanu?

Because they may be attractive or fit, she's actually saying they're all only there as eye candy. It's as if she believes they couldn't possibly have anything else to offer because they're somewhat attractive.
To me, that's far more insulting and dismissive of the average women's abilities than they would be if she were 100% correct and they were only there as eye candy for men.

ChaosEnginesaid:

That seems kinda unfair on Keanu. This is not him hanging out with friends, this is a montage of him training at a tactical shooting school. The “super attractive women” are employees of the school (have seen them in other videos).

ChaosEnginesays...

@bareboards2, I get where you're coming from.

I think one would have to be naive in the extreme not to admit that women especially are discriminated on based on their looks (both positively and negatively).

That said, I do find it uncomfortable judging people on their looks. Neither you nor I know these women; some of them might be there purely as eye candy, but they could equally just be really good at what they do.

As a straight white male, this is really a "damned if you do, damned if you don't" situation. Comment on their looks, and I'm either objectifying them or assuming competency based on their looks. Don't say anything and I'm giving tacit approval to employers deliberately choosing women based on their looks ("hey man, you hire *whoever* you want.... nudge, nudge, wink, wink).

note: this is not a complaint... straight males are in this situation because we put ourselves here.

Now... all that said: I think you're almost certainly right about THIS company. Their instagram is pretty damning in that respect.

NaMeCaFsays...

Bullshit. I personally didnt find any of those women attractive, let alone "super attractive". Just admit you're bringing your own biases and messed up connotations to a simple video of Keanu training for an upcoming film with the members of Taran tactical. Get off your high horse and just accept you were wrong.

This PC witch hunt nonsense is getting over the top.

bareboards2said:

Sorry. You're right. I shouldn't have laid it all on Keanu.

It is just creepy.

They are employees of a business. Who hired them? Where are the normal looking women?

This is Hooters, only with guns and not hamburgers and beer. Or whatever they sell there.

Would there be any normal looking women, when the intent is obviously to draw male eyes to this business?

Do you realize that you are being pandered to, you folks who are making fun of my "outrage"? Do you know you are being manipulated? Do you understand that it is super creepy if you don't know you are being manipulated?

There is a great new movement right now of women speaking up and making clear that they are intelligent and have loads to offer other than beauty. It was super thrilling to watch the Golden Globes and hear all these amazing and brilliant women talk so eloquently about something other than who made their dress.

To go from that to this parade of nubile flesh as a backdrop to gun skills .... creeped me out. It isn't real. It isn't what the world looks like. It is manufactured and disturbing when I personally am hungry for images of women DOING and being, instead of being looked at.

There are women out there who love guns and are knowledgeable about guns. And they don't all look like this.

You know I adore you completely, Chaos. And I wasn't accurate in my original post. Thank you for calling that to my attention.

But it isn't true that only you brought "common sense and facts" into this. I brought the common sense and facts, too. Just not eloquently or accurately. Being talked about like that, being reduced to "outrage" instead of being accorded some respect for noticing the unnatural assemblage of super attractive women obviously being used to as eye bait... well, that is common. Very common. And uncool.

You, though, dear friend, are super cool.

bareboards2says...

You may be sick of it.

Doesn't make it any less true.

And you are right. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

Other than that, the gratuitous pans away from Keanu to the young women praising him in turn (gotta get your screen time) means this isn't just a simple video. By definition. I saw young women. Therefore it is not about "simply" shooting targets.

I can tell this conversation isn't going to progress beyond us both being bull-headed and opinionated.

I shall leave you the last word. Feel free to insult me some more.

NaMeCaFsaid:

Bullshit. I personally didnt find any of those women attractive, let alone "super attractive". Just admit you're bringing your own biases and messed up connotations to a simple video of Keanu training for an upcoming film with the members of Taran tactical. Get off your high horse and just accept you were wrong.

This PC witch hunt nonsense is getting over the top.

Fairbssays...

I'm not particularly surprised that he has a harem of hotties; he is a movie star; not very talented in my book, but that doesn't slow down a lot of them

bareboards2said:

All the super attractive women creeped me out. Too many of them. Keanu doesn't know any normal looking women? Creep. Pee. (I'm a cis woman, by the way, for those who don't know.)

bareboards2says...

As Chaos said, apparently they aren't his groupies. They work for the shooting range.

Come to where Keanu plays and where the beautiful women are. This video will bring them business.

Fairbssaid:

I'm not particularly surprised that he has a harem of hotties; he is a movie star; not very talented in my book, but that doesn't slow down a lot of them

bareboards2says...

@ChaosEngine

I forgot to acknowledge your comments about judging people by their looks.

I didn't mean to say that these women are dumb or unqualified. I have no idea.

I know really good looking people who struggle because they are typecast a certain way or are treated differently in uncomfortable ways because of their beauty.

It can warp you, extreme beauty, the way you can be dismissed as facade only, or lionized when you haven't actually done anything.

I really admire people who find a way to navigate their looks and are able to come fully into themselves.

That is a true statement for any challenge in life -- beauty, ugliness, shortness, alopecia, baldness, dwarfism. I'm looking at you, Peter Dinklage. You are a rock star.

It defies logic to think that this group of women is just a random sample. I didn't need to do any research to know this company ignores competent, talented women with gun skills and normal looks for women who are glossy. Are the beautiful women also talented with gun skills? Doesn't matter. Because I am already creeped out.

Creeped out isn't the best word. I am really enjoying saying it though. Gitaigo: Onomatopoeia that describes states of being, not sounds

I won't remember it, but what a great word.

newtboysays...

See the photo at 3:02, then consider retracting your insulting mistaken assumption about their employees, please.

bareboards2said:

. I didn't need to do any research to know this company ignores competent, talented women with gun skills and normal looks for women who are glossy.

newtboysays...

Compared to the myriad of 'guns 'n babes'-'guns and lace'-'guns and bikinis' companies, they seemed like school marms to me with one glaring exception, the lingerie angle, that was out of place and odd.

ChaosEnginesaid:

Now... all that said: I think you're almost certainly right about THIS company. Their instagram is pretty damning in that respect.

entr0pysays...

Then check out the photo at 3:12 and tell me those aren't a bunch of rich broskis who like to hire young babes.

newtboysaid:

See the photo at 3:02, then consider retracting your insulting mistaken assumption about their employees, please.

entr0pysays...

Yeah, I've got to agree, that cannot be a coincidence. It is creepy on the same level as a hooters or any other business that hires exclusively hot women to do a job that should have nothing to do with looks.

It's not so much that I worry about the average female gun enthusiast going without work, but that it's hard to imagine that sort of workplace culture isn't rife with sexual harassment. Any time a woman looking sexy is a job requirement, it's a fair bet that her boss wants more than to look at her.

bareboards2said:

All the super attractive women creeped me out. Too many of them. Keanu doesn't know any normal looking women? Creep. Pee. (I'm a cis woman, by the way, for those who don't know.)

newtboysays...

Maybe they do, maybe they don't, that picture is a party though, and doesn't invalidate my point at all since some employees were clearly not "glossy" as she derisively puts it....seen at 3:02. Don't pretend it's a hooters and dismiss those "normal" women (and male) employees as non existent because they don't fit the narrative.
It's also extremely insulting to automatically assume attractive/fit women CAN'T be highly competent and talented. One of them is literally Supergirl and a ninja, for Christ's sake!

entr0pysaid:

Then check out the photo at 3:12 and tell me those aren't a bunch of rich broskis who like to hire young babes.

newtboyjokingly says...

Not exclusively hot women....or is that a hot woman at :45 in this other video from their range?

https://youtu.be/ZRdE2Ym4oz4

entr0pysaid:

Yeah, I've got to agree, that cannot be a coincidence. It is creepy on the same level as a hooters or any other business that hires exclusively hot women to do a job that should have nothing to do with looks.

It's not so much that I worry about the average female gun enthusiast going without work, but that it's hard to imagine that sort of workplace culture isn't rife with sexual harassment. Any time a woman looking sexy is a job requirement, it's a fair bet that her boss wants more than to look at her.

newtboysays...

Because one "feminist" decided to attack everyone in the video because she sees athletic women working together (fully clothed, mind you) as, in her words, "only sex workers", requiring her to launch a derisive attack on any male near them, labeling them creeps, and against the women labeling them as unprofessional hooters girls and now sex workers.

Slut shaming women based on insulting mistaken assumptions and their athleticism is not feminist...imo it's not even rational. Trying to shame men for the women's fitness is just irrational.

...besides, what's wrong with shooting at children? ;-)

Paybacksaid:

Why the fuck is everyone on about the women and no one is noticing all the child-sized targets Keanu was blasting away at...

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