I smoke wax hash with an average thc content of 70-80% depending on the producer and strain, it really makes you love California's marijuana regulation.

The U.S. government has failed to keep drugs out of prisons. What makes anybody think we can keep drugs out of schools?
Also, aren't bath salts the gateway drug to tobacco?

Dr. Drew i a corporate whore.

I've never had pot, or any other illegal drug for that matter. I have never smoked or chewed tobacco, and I actually didn't drink alcohol until I turned 21, and only very rarely since then.

I don't really have any interest in it. I *hate* cigarette smoke, so the primary method of consumption (smoking) is repellant to me. With regards to alcohol, a light buzz is a somewhat good sensation for me but I strongly dislike the feeling of being drunk. I don't mean being hung over, I mean that when I am drunk I can tell that my brain isn't operating at peak efficiency and it just bothers me. That minor positive feeling I get with having 1-2 drinks honestly doesn't justify the cost of alcohol vs other beverages, and that is before the risk of drinking too much and the discomfort of being drunk.

I don't mean to push any of that on anyone -- I know and am friends with a lot of people who like getting drunk, quite a few that like to smoke, and some that smoke pot. I just mention it to present my perspective.

The thing that bothers me about most discussion about pot is that you only hear from the two opposite extremes. You've got your narc ATF-types that tell you that pot is highly addictive, it takes otherwise productive people and makes they lazy and apathetic, it is a surefire gateway to stronger drugs, it ruins lives, etc. etc. Then you've got the High Times-types that tell you that it cures every affliction known to mankind, it has no negative effects whatsoever, and that we might as well grind it up and put it in the water supply or something.

Having had no direct personal experience with it, my best guess is that pot impairs your judgement and mental faculties to a degree roughly equivalent to alcohol, possibly less so. Smoking it probably has negative health consequences roughly similar to smoking tobacco, but probably a little bit less bad -- for one thing, there are probably many more people who smoke a pack or two of cigarettes per day than people who smoke an equivalent number of joints. Less inhaled smoke probably means less detriment to health. In terms of addictiveness, it appears to me that pot is far less addictive than either alcohol OR tobacco.

Combine all that stuff together, and I don't understand why alcohol and tobacco are legal while pot isn't. Prohibition was a disaster, and the war on drugs (particularly pot) seems to be a failure to learn from that. That being said, if a high school student brings alcohol or tobacco to school and gets caught with them, they will probably be confiscated and given some punishment. Contrary to what Rogan says, I have heard of undercover/sting operations to bust underage drinking, particularly in order to punish adults to distribute alcohol to minors. All that is fine with me, probably a good thing.

In this clip, I didn't think that Dr. Drew's statements were all that extreme towards the ATF extreme side -- at least, not really any more than Rogan's were towards the High Times side. Still, upvote for presenting his viewpoint honestly and directly. I think that we need more discussion about this, with the likely result being that we get some real information that lands somewhere in the middle.

This video of Robert Mueller getting slammed on the gateway theory always amused me... http://videosift.com/video/FBI-director-gets-schooled-on-marijuana-legalization

Think Rogan touches on something they can both agree on. Substance use in young adults, and maybe even college age is not being handled well.

The pressure and the mystery or perhaps the ideology of it or reason for doing it is wrong in a lot of cases. It ends up being excessive and detrimental, and tolerance of it or even teaching them how to MIGHT help but more than likely you'll just be giving them the stuff so they can go out and abuse it again.

Moderation is not a strong concept in young people. And as a non-user myself...I see a lot of people who claim to be drunk/stoned/whatever most of the day...to the point where I think they forget how to function without it. If I were going to be exposed to it via one of these people, I'd be screwed. If I were exposed to it via what I THINK people do, I'd probably end up screwed too.

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This video of Robert Mueller getting slammed on the gateway theory always amused me... http://videosift.com/video/FBI-director-gets-schooled-on-mariju
ana-legalization


I loved milk as a gateway theory here =oD

I can immediately tell this is propaganda by the simple statement that THC causes physical withdrawal symptoms, I'm sorry but that is complete and utter BS. I have used pot and and stopped using it many times in my life and it's no different than eating hamburgers one day and not eating hamburgers another day, ya I might get a craving for a burger sometimes but it doesn't cause physical pain when I don't indulge that craving. Pot is the same way. I'm guilty of experimenting with many drugs over the years and I can say with certainty that Pot is absolutely harmless in terms on how addicting it is. It's no different that coffee, cokes, red meat, or fatty foods. And even caffeine causes massive headaches when you stop using it. And I would much rather smoke a joint than drink alchohol or smoke cigarettes. Cigarettes have something like 200+ toxic chemicals(Pot has just one THC) in them and they DO cause physical withdrawal symptoms, and so does alchohol(DTs can actually kill a person). THC causes nothing even remotely like withdrawal symptoms, and people like Dr. Drew who I'm sure has never used a drug in his life couldn't possibly know that. I forgive them their ignorance but not for spreading lies pushed out by government owned agencies whose only agenda is to make money.

^First off, weed is a relatively benign substance, no it won't give you lung cancer or kill your brain cells but believe it or not there can be withdrawal symptoms, I know because I've experienced it. During my last year of university I smoked weed constantly, at least a couple of grams a day. Whenever I'd stop smoking my nerves would be shot and I'd have absolutely no sense of appetite.

It's not anywhere near as bad as quitting cigs mind you but it's still remarkably unpleasant, imagine not being able to eat and having a small sense of panic over a 24 hour period for absolutely no reason at all, that's pretty much what it felt like.

edit: And yes Dr.Drew is full of shit here, mostly.

I have permanent physical pain, I go to a pain treatment clinic and use permanent longterm opiate use to just cover up the majority of the big stuff and get through the day. It first requires quite awhile to get use to the feeling of the permanence and being able to grab hold of your full mental functions again. Not impossible, everyone there gets to do it at some point or you don't go on them, that's it.

YOU WILL suffer from withdrawal at some point, it is inevitable--it's a very imperfect solution (and nope, Utah doesn't allow Marijuana use for medical needs yet).

Everytime someone chimes in and says that when they were on pot they had withdrawal, sorry no you didn't; go look it up the symptoms for one thing. Its not like each drug gets their own unique signature finisher, they are all the same! So if you are not experiencing those things in a BIG way, you DON'T have it.

Last time I checked Mary J. had a psycho. meltdown and THAT was it. That is nothing. Again, why are we still in the dark ages of pain medicine using highly addictive opiates? Oh, yeah, money, I forgot. Dr. Drew is a complete shill, he lost a lot of his credibility a long time ago. When he went on T.V. he became a joke.

No offense but I think I know my own body.

When I cut back on smoking pot alot of things changed, I have a hard time believing my lack of appetite and constant anxiety was "all in my head" I asked around, I talked to people, many of whom experienced the exact same symptoms.

You think I'm full of shit? Fine, frankly I really don't care. But when you're smoking all day everyday and find yourself needing more and more weed just to maintain that same level of high, there has to be drawbacks. I felt them, I experienced them, it was a very dark and depressing moment of my life.

Sorry to "chime in."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannabis_withdrawal

I'm not saying your full of shit here. This is just my own experience with weed. I smoked for something like 10 years non stop and two of those years I was smoking high-grade drow and nothing else(And I'm not talking 2 grams a day it was more like 15 mainly cause I was getting it free.). I eventually had to stop to get a job and when I did I had no visible signs of withdrawal period. Maybe I'm lucky but I know I'm not the only one as I know several friends and relatives who have had the exact same experience. Ya sure I might crave a joint every once and a while but it's exactly like craving a hamburger or a steak it doesn't cause me harm in anyway. I had no panic attacks, no problems with appetite except I didn't gorge junk food like I did sometimes when I was high. Again this is my own experience with it I'm not denying yours. Though like I said I know many people who have had the same experience as I did. I leave it to others to be the judge.


And in my experience people who do lose appetite and become depressed after stopping smoking usually had those symptoms beforehand and that's why they turned to weed in the first place, either that or they were particularly weak willed individuals and exhibit addictive personalities.(I don't mean that as an insult to anyone just stating the facts)
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No offense but I think I know my own body.
When I cut back on smoking pot alot of things changed, I have a hard time believing my lack of appetite and constant anxiety was "all in my head" I asked around, I talked to people, many of whom experienced the exact same symptoms.
You think I'm full of shit? Fine, frankly I really don't care. But when you're smoking all day everyday and find yourself needing more and more weed just to maintain that same level of high, there has to be drawbacks. I felt them, I experienced them, it was a very dark and depressing moment of my life.
Sorry to "chime in."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannabis_withdrawal

>> ^Aniatario:

No offense but I think I know my own body.
When I cut back on smoking pot alot of things changed, I have a hard time believing my lack of appetite and constant anxiety was "all in my head" I asked around, I talked to people, many of whom experienced the exact same symptoms.
You think I'm full of shit? Fine, frankly I really don't care. But when you're smoking all day everyday and find yourself needing more and more weed just to maintain that same level of high, there has to be drawbacks. I felt them, I experienced them, it was a very dark and depressing moment of my life.
Sorry to "chime in."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannabis_withdrawal


No you don't understand what I mean. I mean physical versus mental issues. There are two types of withdrawal and psychological can be powerful, just not to the point were people believe they will literally die if they don't get their fix (and they may) and try to take the drugs violently with a knife--or something similar. Anxiety IS a psychological issue! The lack of eating can EASILY be a mental one and I daresay is one, because the original starting "munchies" side effect is a mental one TOO! You CAN get that! You did get everything you can get. Your experience was a negative one, many people do not have that. I'm glad that you decided to have the strength to stop and end the problem before it escalated--and I WILL agree that it can escalate from here out of sheer curiosity, of course it can.