good debate. A recent book I read made the same argument as the second guy (and it is a very good argument) - with all of the social ills and such, to blame media for violence when we turn a blind eye to child welfare as a society, is not only hypocritical, but dishonest.

I let my kids play killing games, just like my parents let me play them. I wouldnt let them play a GTA type game though, only straight up gamey world type stuff like Unreal Tournament, well, and some war type stuff like Battlefield and Ghost Recon. Rated "M" means ask Mommy, rated "T" means Toddler.

OMG THIS IS SO DENCE!

And lolz he went back to that argument that those kids "trained" on doom lol well obviously he has never played doom.

The only proven fact is that if u constantly watch things of a shocking nature you will be desensitised to them.
However this will not make u more likely to do a physical act of violence it just means u will be less shocked by violence. so with the same logic playing a game where u constantly beat the crap out of a game grandma might make u less shocked by it but it wouldn’t give u the motivation to do it in the real world. additionally a virtual character is 99.999999999999% not like a real world person they just happen in some cases to have a similar visual appearance.

At the moment I can only think of one game that disturbed me and that was operation flashpoint this was due to the fact that I had made a level with lots of unarmed people running around and I set it up so I could fly over and gun them all down. What shocked me was the realism from a distance that computer controlled people had as they fell over and ran about and the fact that that this happens in the real world for real. All this did was demonstrate how crap the reality of war is. So for me been disturbed by a game violence was a positive thing ( incidentally the usa military just bought a licence for the new op flashpoint to use as tactical training).

Oh yah and when I was 7 I was in a hotel watching late night films on holiday and there was a war film with a soldier getting run over by a tank with him screaming until his head got mashed. I found this disturbing but instead of making me think oh yah cool woo it made me dislike violence more.

As long as people are balanced and look at things with an open mind all you can do is learn from things good things bad things violent things sexy things. This is why all art is good

I am really board of this argument from unqualified people. If this argument was about an art installation like that man that cuts dead people up ore the one with the cows that are in half. You wouldn’t have a debate without the artist ore artists that created it involved.

So next time lets hear from the game designer and listen to his/her motivations and why decisions were made. And then from that work out if the game uses violence properly.

Thanks again G4 for another waste of my time.

Jack Thompson must have an IQ of 30? Seriously.

I wish G4 could have actually gotten some competent people to debate Jack. Adam Sessler was useless, and the industry guy was taking a lame position about rap music being worse than games. Jack Thompson, while a serious jackass, was at least bringing up studies to support his argument. His opponent should have been ready to refute his study and provide his own research. They also failed to mention the ESRB as a mechanism to give parents more choice.

There are many who are ready to debate someone like Jack Thompson. Why couldn't G4 bring one of them in to have a real debate? Oh yeah, because G4 is a joke.

'Trained on Doom?' Lmfao! Yeah, maybe if they were planning to murder a cacodemon with a plasma rifle

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