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This amazing interview was done back in 1985 with a former KGB agent who was trained in subversion techniques. He explains the 4 basic steps to socially engineering entire generations into thinking and behaving the way those in power want them to. It's shocking because our nation has been transformed in the exact same way, and followed the exact same steps.
direpicklesays...

>> ^dystopianfuturetoday:

Looks like this professional brainwasher has got a few tugs on his line. 9 at the moment.
VOTE REAGAN!!


At first I was kinda angry at how much BS this guy was spewing and how easily others were buying into it (I read the transcript before watching the video--this may have colored my first impression, since the transcriber actually changes his words. More on that at the end). I was trying to think of something properly pissed-off to respond with. But now--it's just too ridiculous to even be mad at. These are his points:

What's destroying the United States? Civil rights, and Jane Fonda's ability to speak freely without government retaliation. She will be the first against the wall when the revolution comes, because she would be equally dangerous to the Soviet States of America.

When will the revolution come to the US? Step 1 was completed by 1985. Step 2 takes <5 years. Step 3 takes two months. So apparently the Marxist-Leninist revolution was slated for 1990--I never knew!
What's at stake? (from the transcript above) "You may kiss goodbye your freedoms, including [sending] homosexuals to prison inmate." -- And this is especially hilarious, because it highlights the kind of person that this talk appeals to. The transcriber completely changed this guy's intended meaning. What he actually says (you have to watch the full-length video) is that homosexuals and prison inmates will lose their freedoms.

What can we do? Abolish welfare. Educate people in "real patriotism" (whatever that is). "Force the government to stop aiding communism" is a way that doesn't include letter-writing or petitions or--presumably--voting. Even the longer video cuts off there, so I'm not sure what he counts as 'force'. A revolution, maybe?

MaxWildersays...

Only the insane can even tell what this guy is trying to say. Something about how what happened in Afghanistan is going to happen in the US? Maybe it's just his accent and his shorthand use (misuse?) of Stalinist/Marxist accusations. For all I know, I might agree with this guy. If he's saying that mega-corporations are fattening us up and dumbing us down so that we don't notice all our taxes being given to them, then he's right. If he's talking about people willingly giving up their civil liberties so that they can pretend they are safer, he's right. Otherwise, it's just a whole lotta words with no meaning.

MycroftHomlzsays...

If you are looking for proof of God's existence you can find it... It is impossible to disagree with someone who says if you disagree with me then you are just indoctrinated. That is not a fair logical argument.

quantumushroomsays...

"While the majority of the tax cuts, passed last February, affected 95 percent of working families, when they took affect by April of 2009, the monetary value was not too large -- most families saw about $70 more in take home pay every month. Individual workers saw about $13 more a week."

WOW! $13 more A WEEK!

If you don't count the raising of tobacco taxes and obama's coming commiecare, massive expansion of the federal gov. and his plan to let those evil Bush tax cuts expire while restoring the estate (death) tax, then yeah, The Marxist Messiah has thrown all of us a crumb. Oh, and of course, 18% of working Americans got a tax cut by being unemployed.

Can't wait for November!

>> ^Yogi:

Haven't taxes been lowered?

Yogisays...

>> ^quantumushroom:

"While the majority of the tax cuts, passed last February, affected 95 percent of working families, when they took affect by April of 2009, the monetary value was not too large -- most families saw about $70 more in take home pay every month. Individual workers saw about $13 more a week."
WOW! $13 more A WEEK!
If you don't count the raising of tobacco taxes and obama's coming commiecare, massive expansion of the federal gov. and his plan to let those evil Bush tax cuts expire while restoring the estate (death) tax, then yeah, The Marxist Messiah has thrown all of us a crumb. Oh, and of course, 18% of working Americans got a tax cut by being unemployed.
Can't wait for November!
>> ^Yogi:
Haven't taxes been lowered?



I don't smoke and I'm not dead. So I don't have a problem with this. Also Americans have wanted Social Medicine for decades even if it meant higher taxes, Obama Care isn't the Socialism we want but a big payout to the insurance companies instead. So he's not as liberal as the liberals want him to be...or as liberal as conservatives want him to be.

rich_magnetsays...

He predicts, eerie-Nostradamus-style, the 9/11/2001 crisis and subsequent normalization of a Big Brother state at the expense of liberties and economy. The demoralization part? That's harder to see, but I suspect he's onto something.

bananafonesays...

>> ^quantumushroom:

"While the majority of the tax cuts, passed last February, affected 95 percent of working families, when they took affect by April of 2009, the monetary value was not too large -- most families saw about $70 more in take home pay every month. Individual workers saw about $13 more a week."
WOW! $13 more A WEEK!
If you don't count the raising of tobacco taxes and obama's coming commiecare, massive expansion of the federal gov. and his plan to let those evil Bush tax cuts expire while restoring the estate (death) tax, then yeah, The Marxist Messiah has thrown all of us a crumb. Oh, and of course, 18% of working Americans got a tax cut by being unemployed.
Can't wait for November!
>> ^Yogi:
Haven't taxes been lowered?



I keep hearing that "oh noes they COULD raise taxes because of OBAMACARE!" Look, there is no "Obamacare." There was going to be a public option but that was gutted from the bill. The only socialized medical programs we have are medicare and medicaid and it'll be a cold day in hell before the old republicans give that up.

And side note:
"Death Tax" only applies if your estate is worth over a million dollars. Something tells me it won't apply to you.

bananafonesays...

>> ^rich_magnet:

He predicts, eerie-Nostradamus-style, the 9/11/2001 crisis and subsequent normalization of a Big Brother state at the expense of liberties and economy. The demoralization part? That's harder to see, but I suspect he's onto something.


Here, I'll make a prediction too:
Sometime in the future, bad shit will happen. OH GOD I'M NOSTRADAMUS.

All you have to do is look at history and see that every collapse of an empire was predicated on disaster/event which led to a reduction of rights. That's not eerie. It's called a book. A history book.

swedishfriendsays...

It would seem that in USA today it is the corporations who are doing what the KGB used to be doing during the cold war. This might have been a pro Reagan stunt at the time but it does show what kind of tactics we are subjected to on a continual basis it is pretty obvious when statistically speaking the poor always votes against their better interests purely based on propaganda.
-Karl

NetRunnersays...

It's amazing to me how ensconsed in the bubble the right is these days.

Let's break it down:

  1. Ideological subversion propagation - Radical conservatives begin pushing their ideology to all members of society through churches, schools, and supposedly independent policy research "think tanks". This begins in the early 30's, and is a systematic campaign aimed at chipping away at the credibility of embedded liberalism, America's original ideology. The "threat of communism" is conflated with traditional American values like empathy, solidarity, and equality.

  2. Destabilization - The 1960's reads literally like a textbook example of a country in crisis. A presidential assassination, two proxy wars, a mexican standoff with nuclear weapons, a counterculture protest movement, race relations getting strained with protests and violence, and the then-dominant Democratic party coming apart at its seams over disagreements about the war and civil rights.

  3. Crisis - This one is clear. The oil crisis of the 1970's was our key takeover crisis moment. It basically ushered in an end to embedded liberalism as the American way of life. So many aspects of our political life and the way our economy was run was radically changed in the aftermath of that crisis, even though it was a walk in the park compared to today's economic problems.

  4. Normalization - Conservative Republicans won 3 terms in a row, from 1980 until 1992, followed by a conservative, Southern Democrat who won in part because a third party candidate split Republican support. Party-line economists have treated the works of John Maynard Keynes the way their forebears treated the work of Karl Heinrich Marx -- they pretended it had nothing worthwhile to say, and tried their best to erase it from academic discourse. The Democrats of today consider reforms Republicans proposed in 1992 massive ideological win for the left.

Take the bananas out of your ears, morons.

Anyways, this is actually a pretty astute observation about how radical political and economic change happens. It's not necessarily planned like our conservative takeover was, but the framework for all ideological revolutions start with an ideology becoming commonly known, then during a period of destabilization and crisis, people may turn to the new ideology.

This is literally what more than a few libertarian bloggers say is their raison d'etre -- to make sure the ideology is lying around for when a crisis hits.

However, anyone who thinks some Russian-led infiltration of "Marxist-Lenninist" ideology happened or is happening is fucking deluded. It would've been a real trick considering your average American doesn't have a fucking clue what Marxism is...because the right stigmatized knowledge of it!

NordlichReitersays...

When I posted the video, above, originally it had less to do with politics and had more to do with views of the US from strange people. Views hardly worth their weight in bird-shit.

I put this Russian guy on par with Goering. Believing doomsayers is not something I'd wager the lot of sifters do on a regular basis; nor do I.

Odd now that I read the quote below, and think of the lead up to the Iraq war. Nice to see right took a page from a Nazi.


“Naturally the common people don't want war; neither in Russia, nor in England, nor in America, nor in Germany. That is understood. But after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine policy, and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country.”

--Goering at the Nuremberg Trials


Accidental Godwin.

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