I should add that the Queen's Park subway station is right here, in front of the provincial legislature (think "State House"), which was designated as a safe "free speech" zone. Police repeated actions like this throughout the day, reports state: http://torontoist.com/2010/06/live_g20_saturday.php

Jesus. What happened to the world?

Was this before or after the protests turned violent on Saturday, including the torching of 2 police cars? If this is somehow linked then the arrested deserve no sympathy.

>> ^mentality:

Was this before or after the protests turned violent on Saturday, including the torching of 2 police cars? If this is somehow linked then the arrested deserve no sympathy.


"Somehow linked"? How about if the only link is in the cop's minds?

>> ^Boise_Lib:

>> ^mentality:
Was this before or after the protests turned violent on Saturday, including the torching of 2 police cars? If this is somehow linked then the arrested deserve no sympathy.

"Somehow linked"? How about if the only link is in the cop's minds?



so the trial must happen before the person is in custody...
GREAT
I'm gonna become a criminal then, because thats in NO way enforceable
ESPECIALLY when dealing with mob mentality

have you ever had to deal with a mob? I have... how do you tell exactly which ones can come up to you and talk cordially, and which ones are going to start something? and then isn't that decision all in your MIND?

simply put you can't

these cops don't think every individual in the mob is going to start something, but mob mentality takes over, and things can get out of hand real quick...

i see nothing wrong with this video

especially since there are no surrounding facts/information to support this

just because we want the police/government to act reasonably means we don't have to be held to the same regards... OMG, police taking away people in a mob! POLICE STATE!!! POLICE STATE!!! is an unreasonable viewpoint given the content of this video

>> ^Boise_Lib:
>> ^mentality:
Was this before or after the protests turned violent on Saturday, including the torching of 2 police cars? If this is somehow linked then the arrested deserve no sympathy.

"Somehow linked"? How about if the only link is in the cop's minds?



Was it? Was the "only link is in the cop's minds?" Then obviously the police would be in the wrong. That's the whole point of my question, to determine the context of these arrests.

Unless you know better, your uselesss speculation adds nothing to this discussion.

yeah, weird video. creepy but context-free.

The burning was at King and Queen, in the financial district, south-mid end of downtown.

This was in an unrelated protest area on the north end of downtown - which was designated as the safe "free speech" area.

Toronto has a very large core, we're not talking neighbouring protests here, but an area 4+ subway stops away.

They just come across as scumbags don't they? I really don't trust cops anywhere I see them. Even before terrorism became a handy excuse to deal out summary justice I remember being on holiday in Brazil in 1994 and the only time we ever had a problem was with the police - guys who thought they could rob a couple of backpackers and get away with it.

And that woman was fugly. Must be nice to go home to that.

>> ^Krupo:

The burning was at King and Queen, in the financial district, south-mid end of downtown.
This was in an unrelated protest area on the north end of downtown - which was designated as the safe "free speech" area.
Toronto has a very large core, we're not talking neighbouring protests here, but an area 4+ subway stops away.

Do you honestly think that the cops would have just picked someone out at random from a peaceful protest and arrested them for no reason just because they're mad? I mean, that could be what happened -- we don't know -- and if it was then this was inexcusable. But just because this happened in another area of the city from the vandalism, doesn't automatically make this unrelated. It is possible for someone to commit a crime in one part of the city and then walk to another.

What makes you think that the Vandalism was done by someone who wasn't on the payroll?

What if the vandals are on the payroll, and the cops ordered to arrest said vandals don't know that there are Agent Provocateurs?

What if, the cops are arresting an Agent Provocateur to protect said Agent's cover?

What if the cops are really doing a righteous and just job by arresting a real vandal?

The evidence is circumstantial. Video footage is not enough to make a decision for, or against something.

>> ^Sarzy:

>> ^Krupo:
The burning was at King and Queen, in the financial district, south-mid end of downtown.
This was in an unrelated protest area on the north end of downtown - which was designated as the safe "free speech" area.
Toronto has a very large core, we're not talking neighbouring protests here, but an area 4+ subway stops away.

Do you honestly think that the cops would have just picked someone out at random from a peaceful protest and arrested them for no reason just because they're mad? I mean, that could be what happened -- we don't know -- and if it was then this was inexcusable. But just because this happened in another area of the city from the vandalism, doesn't automatically make this unrelated. It is possible for someone to commit a crime in one part of the city and then walk to another.

Maybe it's your use of punctuation or lack thereof. Maybe it's the use of Fragmented sentences but I can't understand jack shit that you wrote.

I've been part of crowd control, and it's impossible. But how about a peaceful mob, impossible too?

Even a peaceful mob can be troublesome to deal with. It's not because they are all angry at something. Half of the time it's because the majority of the mob is fucking confused, caught in the wrong place at the wrong time, or hangers on to something they shouldn't be hanging on to.

The chaos that you see? It's a mixture of a few people who know what they are doing, and a many more people who are just caught up in the bullshit.

I see something wrong with this video. Police officers who are not identifying themselves. Perhaps it's just in the United States but an Officer must identify themselves during an arrest. How else will the rest of the public know that they are officers of the law? A coat, or jacket isn't going to cut it. That's why cops have badges and ID cards.

>> ^packo:

>> ^Boise_Lib:
>> ^mentality:
Was this before or after the protests turned violent on Saturday, including the torching of 2 police cars? If this is somehow linked then the arrested deserve no sympathy.

"Somehow linked"? How about if the only link is in the cop's minds?


so the trial must happen before the person is in custody...
GREAT
I'm gonna become a criminal then, because thats in NO way enforceable
ESPECIALLY when dealing with mob mentality
have you ever had to deal with a mob? I have... how do you tell exactly which ones can come up to you and talk cordially, and which ones are going to start something? and then isn't that decision all in your MIND?
simply put you can't
these cops don't think every individual in the mob is going to start something, but mob mentality takes over, and things can get out of hand real quick...
i see nothing wrong with this video
especially since there are no surrounding facts/information to support this
just because we want the police/government to act reasonably means we don't have to be held to the same regards... OMG, police taking away people in a mob! POLICE STATE!!! POLICE STATE!!! is an unreasonable viewpoint given the content of this video

Exactly the point I was trying to make. Just based on the video alone this looks like yet another "police being assholes" vid -- but there's no context here, and thus no way to know why this happened.

>> ^NordlichReiter:

The evidence is circumstantial. Video footage is not enough to make a decision for, or against something.

>> ^Sarzy:

Exactly the point I was trying to make. Just based on the video alone this looks like yet another "police being assholes" vid -- but there's no context here, and thus no way to know why this happened.
>> ^NordlichReiter:
The evidence is circumstantial. Video footage is not enough to make a decision for, or against something.


They didn't really look like police to me, but Canada is a different place which is very foreign to me. I've never been there.

>> ^NordlichReiter:
I've been part of crowd control, and it's impossible. But how about a peaceful mob, impossible too?
Even a peaceful mob can be troublesome to deal with. It's not because they are all angry at something. Half of the time it's because the majority of the mob is fucking confused, caught in the wrong place at the wrong time, or hangers on to something they shouldn't be hanging on to.



Well in America at least I would hope that instead of trying to isolate and break up the "mob" the police would try to keep them safe. As in block off a street where they might get too close to where the actual meeting is...not say ALL the streets so you box them in and create a panic. The way I've always noticed crowd control even in peaceful crowds is the cops seem to think they shouldn't be there gathering at all.

The only time I've ever experienced a good police-protester relationship is in San Francisco during the Iraq War marches before the war happened. That was mostly peaceful because the crowd was soo massive and calm and the object of their ire was so far away all the police did was block off side streets and tried to keep the city functioning. They were always polite they never had one hand on their guns or looked at us suspiciously.

I stand firmly in support of the police if they take their oath of "To Serve and Protect" seriously. That means protecting people they maybe don't agree with as well sometimes putting their own lives in danger.

Anything think there's a lot of Darth Maul posing going on?

The Thumbnail on this video is, fucking priceless.