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siftbotsays...

Self promoting this video and sending it back into the queue for one more try; last queued Wednesday, September 22nd, 2010 3:01pm PDT - promote requested by original submitter bleedmegood.

spoco2says...

OK, so
a) This won't last long on YouTube what with their fear of boobs and bits
&
b) This is the sort of stuff that makes conservatives go "See, money spent on the arts is wasted on utter trash and drivel." And, when faced with something like this, I don't think there's many of us who could really come up with any defence, it really is self indulgent crap.

Which of course will now create responses to this informing me of just how important stuff like this is... and I don't actually have any issue at all with art being funded, it's all subjective... but man, that's subjectively just rubbish.

RadHazGsays...

I'm sure at some point in the creation of this... event somebody MUST have stopped everything and mentioned how insane this all sounded and couldn't we put our time towards something more meaningful. That person is probably now tied up (also naked) behind the couch.

triumphtigercubsays...

Spare me the snobbery. This maybe not capital A Art to some of you who think Art must meet some aesthetic criteria of a higher brow nature, or be didactic or appealing to your particular sensibilities. I don't give a rat's ass what conservatives think is art... even the prettiest blond Jesus is art, but that doesn't mean I have to like it. This has more to do with how deep the stick is up your particular ass. The performance exhibited the skill and talent of the dancers, and the production overall had its own beauty and appeal even if sexually explicit and vulgar (especially the second linked video, thank you). There was quality, production, and expression and for that, it may well be art.

dystopianfuturetodaysays...

Yeah, art that you do not personally like is still art, and getting angry about absurd or abstract art more often then not pleases the artist, because it means her/his attempt to challenge your sensibilities was successful. With out seeing the entire performance/play, it's hard to make a value judgment, but I generally think it's cool when people try new things/fuck with peoples minds.

triumphtigercubsays...

Yes, I'm just a peon here with very little say except for my particularly accepted comments, there has to be people who get it... I'm glad you are one. I can't (though i wish i could be) a contributor. Videosift needs to appreciate its commentators as submitters to fully achieve this website's potential... educated, intelligent commentary on the best content on the web.

BoneRemakesays...

rabble rabble rabble rabble rabble rabble rabble rabble rabble rabble rabble rabble rabble rabble rabble rabble rabble rabble rabble rabble rabble rabble rabble rabble rabble rabble rabble rabble

spoco2says...

Yeah, but for all of you sticking up for the piece (which, again, I have no issue with existing or being funded, it's all art)... tell me what the fuck it meant, and really, did you find it to be worthwhile or actually interesting or made a point or did anything for you? Or are you just sticking up for it purely on principle while secretly thinking "Man, that was rubbish"?

Fantomassays...

>> ^triumphtigercub:

Spare me the snobbery. This maybe not capital A Art to some of you who think Art must meet some aesthetic criteria of a higher brow nature, or be didactic or appealing to your particular sensibilities. I don't give a rat's ass what conservatives think is art... even the prettiest blond Jesus is art, but that doesn't mean I have to like it. This has more to do with how deep the stick is up your particular ass. The performance exhibited the skill and talent of the dancers, and the production overall had its own beauty and appeal even if sexually explicit and vulgar (especially the second linked video, thank you). There was quality, production, and expression and for that, it may well be art.

If you really believe all that, I have some art to sell you. By strange coincidence I recently happened to empty my left nostril.

Trancecoachsays...

I found the girls laughing at the end to be more poignant than the rest of it -- but the entire clip was, on the whole, entertaining at least, and a provocative spectacle at most.

And in The Society of Spectacle what passes for art, and what actually is art, tends to be two very different things.

Some art is made for artists. Some art is made for everyone else.

Trancecoachsays...

After watching this clip, I get a better sense of what the top video could be about. While I'm no expert on performance art, by any means, there seems to be themes of domesticity, sexuality, and consumption being explored in both pieces... and how some people keep their expressiveness wrapped up in a house, giving it life only through perverted voyeurism or prepackaged pop music.

Or not... It's interesting to me, anyway.

>> ^dystopianfuturetoday:

Bouncy boobs and a masturbating peeping tom.


coolhundsays...

What women will do for art.
I really need to become an artist, then my living room will look like that too. Minus the guy at the window because I would choose an upper floor.

Shepppardsays...

This is retarded.

From what I've seen and read, this woman is basically trying to turn peoples fetishes into a stage show.

Frequent masturbation, defication and urination on-stage, coupled with naked dancing and bad acting.

She's not trying to be an artist, she's trying to be famous. She lacks talent, therefore she draws a crowd by doing stupid things that you'd generally only see on special websites.

I'm not against a person doing those things, but don't put it on a stage and try to pass it off as art... at least not theatre art. I go to a theatre, I expect to see something of value and merit. Someone who can sing, dance, or deliver lines in a meaningful way.

This qualifies more as an upscale porn-shoot.

Shepppardsays...

Also *Nochannel *80s *Art *Music *Dance *WTF

Not only does this not deserve a bravo in the sense that you're trying to make it, but that channel is reserved for classical music. 80s music doesn't qualify for that.

Shepppardsays...

Infact, upon more investigation on this woman, she doesn't deserve any of the infamy this video is giving her.

She throws a hissy-fit if something doesn't go right and yells at the performer or tech that screwed up (infront of the entire audience) and then makes them start over.

She also ridicules her audience. There was a video I saw of her telling one man in her audience "Do you have a problem? want to discuss it? Sir, you should leave the theatre if you don't want to be part of this performance. I will fuck you up. Would you like a cupcake? would you like a dvd sir. would you like me to suck your dick? [she starts the music again] fuck off."

"On stage, Ann Liv Young has rolled around in her dog’s ashes, had sex with her co-stars, covered herself in blood, drank urine and attacked a PETA activist. Off stage, she has given the audience lap dances"

She also included her 4 day old daughter in one of her performances, having her sit on stage during the entire show.

This woman doesn't deserve any merit for being an artist.

direpicklesays...

>> ^Shepppard:

Infact, upon more investigation on this woman, she doesn't deserve any of the infamy this video is giving her.
She throws a hissy-fit if something doesn't go right and yells at the performer or tech that screwed up (infront of the entire audience) and then makes them start over.
She also ridicules her audience. There was a video I saw of her telling one man in her audience "Do you have a problem? want to discuss it? Sir, you should leave the theatre if you don't want to be part of this performance. I will fuck you up. Would you like a cupcake? would you like a dvd sir. would you like me to suck your dick? [she starts the music again] fuck off."
"On stage, Ann Liv Young has rolled around in her dog’s ashes, had sex with her co-stars, covered herself in blood, drank urine and attacked a PETA activist. Off stage, she has given the audience lap dances"
She also included her 4 day old daughter in one of her performances, having her sit on stage during the entire show.
This woman doesn't deserve any merit for being an artist.


Ooooh, but she made you angry and challenged your sensibilities! That means she's a great artist!

quantumushroomsays...

NO art should be government-funded. None. A show like this wouldn't need such funding anyway. They probably lined up 'round the block.



>> ^spoco2:

OK, so
a) This won't last long on YouTube what with their fear of boobs and bits
&
b) This is the sort of stuff that makes conservatives go "See, money spent on the arts is wasted on utter trash and drivel." And, when faced with something like this, I don't think there's many of us who could really come up with any defence, it really is self indulgent crap.
Which of course will now create responses to this informing me of just how important stuff like this is... and I don't actually have any issue at all with art being funded, it's all subjective... but man, that's subjectively just rubbish.

daxgazsays...

i find most art and stage shows incredibly dull. this was not. Call me perv if you like, but the nude female form is beautiful to watch. They had some interesting dance stuff going on and interesting concepts.

Shepppardsays...

>> ^daxgaz:

i find most art and stage shows incredibly dull. this was not. Call me perv if you like, but the nude female form is beautiful to watch. They had some interesting dance stuff going on and interesting concepts.


I won't call you a perv, but I will point out that there used to be these things called strip clubs. Where you'd go, and watch all the naked dancing female forms you'd like, without the defecation, drinking of urine, and hissy-fits on stage, and has the basic premise of what you just watched.

daxgazsays...

Well, all the gross stuff is uninteresting to me, but it's not in this video. I have been to plenty of strip clubs and they tend to all do the same thing, so that gets boring. Most of the strippers (not all, but most) are also completely untalented and rely solely on being naked for entertainment. At least in this video there was an effort to do something different. I have seen some burlesque revival stuff that is pretty interesting and artistic. Also, a lot of the fire performance crowd integrate some eroticism in to their acts and i find those very interesting. My up-vote is for this video, not for the artist as a whole (i don't really know much about her).

>> ^Shepppard:

>> ^daxgaz:
i find most art and stage shows incredibly dull. this was not. Call me perv if you like, but the nude female form is beautiful to watch. They had some interesting dance stuff going on and interesting concepts.

I won't call you a perv, but I will point out that there used to be these things called strip clubs. Where you'd go, and watch all the naked dancing female forms you'd like, without the defecation, drinking of urine, and hissy-fits on stage, and has the basic premise of what you just watched.

bleedmegoodsays...

I posted this video purely for it's wtf factor. Somehow, this has ignited a serious conversation as to what and what does not constitute true art, and has called her artistic integrity and true motivations into question. Although I wouldn't classify this as 'high art', who the fuck am I to say that it is completely devoid of artistic merit? This seems to be more along the lines of conceptual performance art, and I highly doubt that she billed this as 'great theatre'...I enter into videos, such as this, with experiential prejudices and preconceived notions of the 'pretentious hipster artist', and I judge her and her type quite harshly, dismissing her work as an infantile attempt to induce shock value. If I knew that she was some kind of Julliard alumni who was touted as 'the future of dance', I wonder how that might affect my rating this video on a scale of 'artistic merit'. At least this production has balls and doesn't pander to the accepted norm. I would love to hear the average sifters critical analysis of a Picasso(for instance). We all know that he's considered to be a master, but why? Could you explain it without rehashing what you learned in Art History or what you've read on Wikipedia? Art fascism is an ugly thing. In the end it boils down to personal opinion....

CaptainPlanetsays...

i think our commenters' personal opinions r loud and clear. or, wait only art snob opinion? my opinion, porn. but i like my porn a little less crazy and a little less in a room full of people

grahamslamsays...

I wrote this long comment on my view of art and this video and then I came to realize you cannot explain art to someone who doesn't get it. So I deleted my comment. Art is very broad and means different things to different people. You don't have to belittle people who enjoy different forms of art.

triumphtigercubsays...

>> ^quantumushroom:

NO art should be government-funded. None. A show like this wouldn't need such funding anyway. They probably lined up 'round the block.

>> ^spoco2:
OK, so
a) This won't last long on YouTube what with their fear of boobs and bits
&
b) This is the sort of stuff that makes conservatives go "See, money spent on the arts is wasted on utter trash and drivel." And, when faced with something like this, I don't think there's many of us who could really come up with any defence, it really is self indulgent crap.
Which of course will now create responses to this informing me of just how important stuff like this is... and I don't actually have any issue at all with art being funded, it's all subjective... but man, that's subjectively just rubbish.



Publicly funded national monuments contain art, are art, and celebrate the arts.

siftbotsays...

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