Saves deer, then goes home to eat a lamb....


Edit: Saving the deer is a really nice thing to do, and it shows that most people genuinely care for animals, but are completely unaware that they're causing an animal holocaust at the dinner table. Each time they eat, they've killed by proxy a animal just as innocent as that deer. Especially when it comes to lamb and veal, they are generally only months old.

Just goes to show, out of sight, out of mind I guess.

Looked like it was waiting for them to wash off the mud too.

Yeah, the look back was definitely, "What the hell just happened?"

Looked lost to me, but towards the end it must have recognised some area of the forest. Hopefully it can find it's mother again (which might have abandoned it when it got stuck).

“The only difference between a dog, cat, horse and dolphin and a cow, chicken, pig and turkey is perception. One is no more valuable than another. And yet in this culture, we hold the former animals in high esteem and the latter we brutalize for food. All animals are deserving of respect and freedom from violence. The way to respect others is veganism.

This is why vegans get ridiculed.

EDIT: I'll assume you hate President Carter with a passion, as he's trying to make the Guinea worm go extinct. ;-)

Actually Lamb would be a great choice because they aren't factory farmed so they most likely were treated well and were happy.

Beautiful job to all folks involved and don't let the people who can't see the forest for the trees bring you down.

Even if the lamb has the best treatment in the world, to eat it, it has to be killed as an infant, it's only months old.

I'm not blaming anyone, I was just as oblivious as anyone else to all of this for most of my life, and that's why I like to point it out these days, and perhaps help someone just like the younger me to identify the inconsistencies in the thought (or lack of thought) process. It takes a lot of cognitive dissonance to see the beauty of a young deer and feel obligated to save her life one minute, and next minute eat something just as young and precious without even a single neuron firing about what had to happen to the lamb in order for it to end up on a plate.

People will stop for ducks crossing a round, and then go through a fried chicken drive through. People will spend 1/2 their lunch break admiring pictures of kittens, but eat a lamb or veal (and when you compare a lamb to a kitten they look very similar and just as cute).

If that younger me was reading this, I know I'd be getting angry and frustrated at this comment, ready to throw a barrage of counter arguments such as "lions eat animals". But that is only a good thing, that frustration, anger and annoyance is the logical side your brain fighting tradition and habit side. It's a good thing if it's causing you frustration, because it means you do have a logical side at least and even perhaps on a subconscious level the brain is trying to work out the inconsistencies


And of course sheep are very much victims of factory farming these day : http://www.animalsaustralia.org/media/press_releases.php?release=150

If you're feeling guilt and shame about something you've done, then that implies you know that it's wrong
But in my above statements I'm acknowledging that most people aren't even aware of the implications of their actions. They can't feel guilty or ashamed if they don't know what they are doing is wrong. They've always just bought a nice bit of juicy meat at the store for their entire lives, and they've never seen anyone get hurt, the thought hasn't even occurred to most people. They're just doing what they've always done.

That's why I'm pointing it out, not to be a jerk, but to plant the seed, and people will hopefully consciously think about the idea that something had to be killed. I'm hoping to trigger their Lisa Simpson moment https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YLoV9xS9rxk

Everyone knows that animals are grown and killed on farms. But for whatever reason exists they don't seem to make the connection that they have the power to save on average 198 animals a year by changing one or two ingredients in their meals

So that deer has lived a good life - why not use the excavator to crush it instead? That would be bad right?

I said that if something never exists, it's not possible for it to know it isn't existing. I never said animals don't care if they get killed, they obviously do since every animal has survival instincts and mechanisms. (Actually some philosopher said that, I'm just too lazy to quote him properly lol).

It's the same reason why killing a few billion unconscious cells is called abortion, and why killing a few seconds old baby is called murder.

The concept of veganism is to reduce unnecessary suffering and exploitation, no more no less. A lot of vegans don't even understand that concept. Letting nature take it's course, is not the vegan concept. If a lion jumped out and started mauling you I'd still try to save you (assuming I wasn't running way LOL), but of course I'd try to do it in a way that did as little harm to the lion as possible with weighing in the speed at which I'd have to act in order to have the least harm done to you by the lion as well.

It's not a black and white rule book, rather it's a philosophical and ethical balancing act that takes in a lot of considerations. I hope no vegans would be against the guinea worm going extinct. As far as I know (I don't know much about it) is that won't affect any other eco system if it goes extinct. It's not exactly a sentient being either. So removing it from existence as far as we are able to tell will do more good than bad. It will in that case cause less suffering.

Of course some nut job from PETA might disagree with me.

So, vegans don't believe homo sapien erectus is part of nature?

Ever see how terrifying every day is for your typical herbivore in the wild?
I'm not saying the factory farms aren't cruel, they are, and they should be abolished, but your typical small-farm animal lives in the lap of luxury before the axe falls (and quickly).

Nature (and corporations) are cruel, man typically isn't.