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siftbotsays...

Self promoting this video and sending it back into the queue for one more try; last queued Friday, September 24th, 2010 8:14pm PDT - promote requested by original submitter bleedmegood.

Shepppardsays...

I'm conflicted.

Not on the issue, just on my current feelings. On the one hand, spousal abuse is a serious topic, one that needs to be seriously addressed. It's horrible because once the abuse starts it's a giant downward spiral into the feeling that eventually there's no escape, and that there's no help.

On the other hand, I remember a demotivational poster about "Irish Sunglasses" that I found funny as hell, and probably never will be able to again.

dannym3141says...

>> ^Payback:

Personally, I feel that even when the other person "likes it" eg. extreme s/m, it is still abuse.


That is a really, really unfair thing to say. Abuse CAN occur in relationships like that, probably in ways which aren't easy to grasp from an observer, but consensual bdsm is certainly not abuse.

There's a word for people who insults/attacks something because they don't understand it.....

Asmosays...

I just hate it when you know a person who is suffering abuse and you're willing to intercede for them, or help them find other help, or move them out, or call the police or etc etc and they keep making excuses for the person...

I know it's a byproduct of ongoing emotional/mental abuse coupled with the physical that engenders low self esteem and the belief that they are so terrible and that no one else will ever love them, but as a person who has had a couple of friends go through terrible abuse, it's insanely frustrating to sit on the sidelines because the person won't grab hold of the help offered, and then see them turn up with a new bruise, or a split lip, or a missing tooth (or all of the above)...

If you need to beat on a broken woman to make you feel better about yourself, you're not a man.

AnimalsForCrackerssays...

>> ^dannym3141:

>> ^Payback:
Personally, I feel that even when the other person "likes it" eg. extreme s/m, it is still abuse.

That is a really, really unfair thing to say. Abuse CAN occur in relationships like that, probably in ways which aren't easy to grasp from an observer, but consensual bdsm is certainly not abuse.
There's a word for people who insults/attacks something because they don't understand it.....


Yeah, agreed, I think there's a pretty clear ethical distinction between the two. Kinda trivializes the real issue of familial/spousal abuse and it's victim's plight to bother about what mutually consenting adults(of sound decision making capacity) find pleasureable and do in private.

I guess it could be very charitably described as abuse if used in the most vague, indescript terms possible. It seemed like you were (unintentionaly?) equivocating.

dannym3141says...

>> ^AnimalsForCrackers:

>> ^dannym3141:
>> ^Payback:
Personally, I feel that even when the other person "likes it" eg. extreme s/m, it is still abuse.

That is a really, really unfair thing to say. Abuse CAN occur in relationships like that, probably in ways which aren't easy to grasp from an observer, but consensual bdsm is certainly not abuse.
There's a word for people who insults/attacks something because they don't understand it.....

Yeah, agreed, I think there's a pretty clear ethical distinction between the two. Kinda trivializes the real issue of familial/spousal abuse and it's victim's plight to bother about what mutually consenting adults(of sound decision making capacity) find pleasureable and do in private.
I guess it could be very charitably described as abuse if used in the most vague, indescript terms possible. It seemed like you were (unintentionaly?) equivocating.


I suppose so, in the "i want to be abused" kind of sense.

Anyway, back on topic.

Heard yesterday about my friend. I was like 6-12 and so was she, we lived next door to each other. Got on like a house on fire, we were always playing. She had a bunch of kids starting at 16 and she's still going years later. Apparently the reason she was promiscuous at that age was because she was getting ... abuse ... from her father when she was my friend. And it's hard to describe the feeling that i have right now, and my dad feels the same way. Like, if only he'd have known (i would have been too young at the time ofc), he could have so easily stopped it. It would have taken 5 minutes of his time to give the guy the sort of beating he'd never forget and stopped the whole damn thing.

And then it makes me think that there's people out there right now having the same thing done to them, and i'm sat here watching videos, and if i only knew where to go, i could go there right now and stop it happening and turn someone's life around.

I can't watch the video. Seeing any form of abuse - bullying, anything - even in fiction - boils my blood instantly. My fists tighten of their own accord, my hackles raise. I abhore violence, but i'd defend the innocent to the death without hesitation. I can't even imagine how someone could abuse someone else.

Paybacksays...

>> ^dannym3141:
>> ^Payback:
Personally, I feel that even when the other person "likes it" eg. extreme s/m, it is still abuse.

That is a really, really unfair thing to say. Abuse CAN occur in relationships like that, probably in ways which aren't easy to grasp from an observer, but consensual bdsm is certainly not abuse.
There's a word for people who insults/attacks something because they don't understand it.....


I am not being a troll, or anything else you are alluding to. I was commenting in the context of the video's content. A woman, like the one pictured, enduring the beating the woman in the video portrays, is suffering from abuse, whether she likes it or not. If said woman does happen to be one of those people who do like being abused to this extreme, she SHOULD be in therapy, not giving some power-sick fuck his jollies. For that matter, anyone who gets off on inflicting the kind of damage portrayed should be having their head shrunk as well, if not removed from public.
I fully realize my previous comment could be taken in the way you seem to have. I was not referring to "mainstream" BDSM, just the other end where physical damage, like in the video, occurs. Hence the term "extreme s/m".

quantumushroomsays...

According to the religion of peace, Islam "permits a man to hit his wife but only if she doesn't do as he asks. The beating must cease if the woman complies with her husband's demands. Beating is also intended to be the last resort of coercing submission, behind verbal abuse and abandonment."

The left may not condone beating one's wife, but due to moral relativism it cannot condemn the same. There is no moral authority to stop 1.5 billion muslims from exercising their freedom of religion.

dannym3141says...

>> ^Payback:

>> ^dannym3141:
>> ^Payback:
Personally, I feel that even when the other person "likes it" eg. extreme s/m, it is still abuse.

That is a really, really unfair thing to say. Abuse CAN occur in relationships like that, probably in ways which aren't easy to grasp from an observer, but consensual bdsm is certainly not abuse.
There's a word for people who insults/attacks something because they don't understand it.....

I am not being a troll, or anything else you are alluding to. I was commenting in the context of the video's content. A woman, like the one pictured, enduring the beating the woman in the video portrays, is suffering from abuse, whether she likes it or not. If said woman does happen to be one of those people who do like being abused to this extreme, she SHOULD be in therapy, not giving some power-sick fuck his jollies. For that matter, anyone who gets off on inflicting the kind of damage portrayed should be having their head shrunk as well, if not removed from public.
I fully realize my previous comment could be taken in the way you seem to have. I was not referring to "mainstream" BDSM, just the other end where physical damage, like in the video, occurs. Hence the term "extreme s/m".


I'm not going to be able to accept any interpretation of the sentence "extreme bdsm is abuse" other than an ironic interpretation. It's even more insulting to say that "if you're into extreme bdsm you should be in therapy". It's not up to any one of us to judge someone on what they find enjoyable unless it's harmful to others.

If it's not consensual, it's abuse.
BDSM is a term which refers to consensual acts.
As soon as something crosses into abuse, it ceases to be BDSM.

It's like saying "that flower is so red that it's black" - it doesn't make sense. It's like saying "the car is going 29 miles per hour, which is so close to 30 miles per hour that it's 30 miles per hour!"

The car is either going at 30, or it's <30. Just because you or me couldn't tell the difference with our measuring devices doesn't make the car go any faster or slower.
Edit: And i certainly wasn't accusing you of being a troll.

Jinxsays...

>> ^quantumushroom:

According to the religion of peace, Islam "permits a man to hit his wife but only if she doesn't do as he asks. The beating must cease if the woman complies with her husband's demands. Beating is also intended to be the last resort of coercing submission, behind verbal abuse and abandonment."
The left may not condone beating one's wife, but due to moral relativism it cannot condemn the same. There is no moral authority to stop 1.5 billion muslims from exercising their freedom of religion.

What?

Haha, are you seriously suggesting that freedom of relgion, letting a muslim practise his relgion = letting him beat his wife. Oh wow.

Paybacksays...

Edited out all the quotes cuz it looks like shit.

@dannym...
You cannot give any reason, fact, or study that would lead me to believe that a person causing the damage portrayed in this video was not a seriously fucked up cockroach. (Apologies to any roaches in the audience) If the woman receiving said damage actually enjoyed it, rather than simply endured it for whatever reason, then she's wired wrong and the aggressor is taking advantage of her. You seem to say that if "they don't complain, then they like it." That's fucked up.

I am going to assume you are coming at this from some sort of libertarian ideal, rather than someone who got a chubby watching this.

xxovercastxxsays...

Yes, because we also allow Jews and Christians to stone their children for misbehaving on the grounds of freedom of religion.

>> ^quantumushroom:

The left may not condone beating one's wife, but due to moral relativism it cannot condemn the same. There is no moral authority to stop 1.5 billion muslims from exercising their freedom of religion.

quantumushroomsays...

Yes, because we also allow Jews and Christians to stone their children for misbehaving on the grounds of freedom of religion.


If there is no absolute truth, then everything is permitted. The faithful muslim who beats his wife is following his religion, and because the left declares there is no moral authority (because no one may judge another) they have no legitimate power to stop him.

The left takes advantage of centuries of common sense, applied wisdom and trial and error when dealing with others who understand Western Civilization. But it has no answer for muslim honor killings, wife-beating or other still-practiced barbaric traditions.

NordlichReitersays...

I'm torn by this video.

All of these videos about spousal abuse, and no context. A veiled stab at men, a silent form of Misandry. Of course I'm sure I'm reading more into this video than expected but isn't everyone? Stereotypes are perpetrated by emotionally charged videos like this. An argument rooted in rationalism is what is needed.


Similarly, the National Institute of Justice states that the studies that find that women abuse men equally or even more than men abuse women are based on data compiled through the Conflict Tactics Scale, a survey tool developed in the 1970s and which may not be appropriate for intimate partner violence research because it does not measure control, coercion, or the motives for conflict tactics; it also leaves out sexual assault and violence by ex-spouses or partners and does not determine who initiated the violence. Furthermore, the NIJ contends that national surveys supported by NIJ, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, and the Bureau of Justice Statistics that examine more serious assaults do not support the conclusion of similar rates of male and female spousal assaults. These surveys are conducted within a safety or crime context and clearly find more partner abuse by men against women.[11]


There is an abuse problem, but it's not just the women.

In any case it was a touching video, up-vote.

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